NY 213 - Game Over!

[Creature]

Damn, took you both quite long to town up

[Creature]

VOTE: JJD

[Ankamius]

Both as in who

[Creature]

Both as in who

TBG and Scion

[Creature]

One claimed, other refused to claim.

Is it stupid to townread both of them of that?

[Creature]

(obviously my townreads are independent of each other)

[Krazy]

Yeah but how does that make JJD scum?

[Ircher]

Day 5 VC #15

Golden Robster (0) -
Krazy (0) -
Gamma Emerald (1) - Myloninja13 (5394)
Tchill13 (0) -

JarJarDrinks (5) - Gamma Emerald (5703), TehBrawlGuy (5709), Ankamius (5713), Scioness Sajj (5714), Creature (5751)

Texcat (1) - Krazy (5721)

TehBrawlGuy (5) - Tchill13 (5174), Golden Robster (5311), Kublai Khan (5520), Wavemode (5579), Texcat (5689)

Vaxkiller (0) -
Wavemode (0) -
Myloninja13 (0) -

Scioness Sajj (4) - Skygazer (5640), Hopkirk (5648), Vaxkiller (5649), JarJarDrinks (5692)

Not Voting (0) -

Lynch Threshold

During day 5, it takes 9 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 5 ends on August 8, 2018 8:45 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-08-08 20:45:00).

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Spoiler: Current Voting History

Golden Robster: TehBrawlGuy (5311)
Krazy: Gamma Emerald (5115) --> Tchill13 (5683) --> Texcat (5721)
Creature: Gamma Emerald (5397) --> Scioness Sajj (5577) --> JarJarDrinks (5751)
Kublai Khan: Wavemode (5305) --> TehBrawlGuy (5520)
Hopkirk: Krazy (5265) --> Scioness Sajj (5648)
Gamma Emerald: Golden Robster (5631) --> JarJarDrinks (5703)
Tchill13: Vaxkiller (5135) --> TehBrawlGuy (5139) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5174)
Skygazer: Wavemode (5439) --> (Null) (5480) --> Scioness Sajj (5640)
JarJarDrinks: TehBrawlGuy (5422) --> Scioness Sajj (5692)
Ankamius: Wavemode (5168) --> TehBrawlGuy (5643) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5693) --> JarJarDrinks (5713)
Texcat: TehBrawlGuy (5689)
TehBrawlGuy: JarJarDrinks (5126) --> Wavemode (5373) --> Scioness Sajj (5653) --> JarJarDrinks (5709)
Vaxkiller: Krazy (5118) --> Gamma Emerald (5121) --> Scioness Sajj (5649)
Wavemode: Krazy (5263) --> TehBrawlGuy (5579)
Myloninja13: Gamma Emerald (5394)
Scioness Sajj: Gamma Emerald (5309) --> (Null) (5633) --> Myloninja13 (5642) --> TehBrawlGuy (5680) --> JarJarDrinks (5714)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 4

* - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(1): Texcat (4670)
Golden Robster (2): Scioness Sajj (4681) -->

Dunnstral

(5019)
Krazy (3): Texcat (4669) --> Gamma Emerald (4859) -->

Dunnstral

(5104*)
Creature (3): Scioness Sajj (4665) --> Texcat (4745) -->

Dunnstral

(4817)
Hopkirk (5): Scioness Sajj (4672) --> (Null) (4848) --> Scioness Sajj (4857) --> Vaxkiller (4992) --> Golden Robster (5062)
Gamma Emerald (1):

Dunnstral

(4847)
Tchill13 (6): Scioness Sajj (4707) -->

Dunnstral

(4822) --> Scioness Sajj (4863) -->

Dunnstral

(4988) --> (Null) (5064) --> TehBrawlGuy (5102)
Skygazer (4): Scioness Sajj (4717) --> Texcat (4888) --> (Null) (4894) -->

Dunnstral

(4973)
JarJarDrinks (2): Scioness Sajj (4674) -->

Dunnstral

(4815)
Ankamius (3): Tchill13 (4756) --> Texcat (5002) --> Krazy (5049)
Texcat (1):

Dunnstral

(4829)
TehBrawlGuy (1): Texcat (4710)
Vaxkiller (1): Scioness Sajj (4721)
Wavemode (2): Scioness Sajj (4854) -->

Dunnstral

(5071)

PenguinPower

(2): Scioness Sajj (4713) -->

Dunnstral

(4819)
Myloninja13 (3):

Dunnstral

(4837) --> Gamma Emerald (4965) -->

Dunnstral

(5059)
Scioness Sajj (2): Texcat (4675) --> (Null) (4895)

Day 3

* - Hammer vote
^ - Vote occurred after hammer

Dunnstral

(2): Myloninja13 (3463) --> Texcat (4162)
Golden Robster (3):

Dunnstral

(3559) --> TehBrawlGuy (4208) --> Creature (4255)
Pine (0):
Krazy (3):

Dunnstral

(3978) --> Texcat (4161) --> Gamma Emerald (4392)
Creature (8): Texcat (3472) -->

Lalendra

(3681) --> Texcat (3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) --> Texcat (4165) -->

Lalendra

(4213) --> Kublai Khan (4260) -->

Lalendra

(4284)
Kublai Khan (7): Creature (3511) -->

Lalendra

(4033) --> TehBrawlGuy (4184) --> Creature (4240) -->

Lalendra

(4308) --> Gamma Emerald (4416) -->

Lalendra

(4557)
Hopkirk (3):

Lalendra

(3661) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4339)
Gamma Emerald (3):

Lalendra

(3913) --> (Null) (3954) --> Myloninja13 (4073)

Ausuka

(4): Myloninja13 (3640) -->

Lalendra

(3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010) -->

Lalendra

(4286)

Lalendra

(3): TehBrawlGuy (3719) --> Myloninja13 (4130) --> Creature (4384)
Tchill13 (3):

Lalendra

(3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4215)
Frozen Angel (0):
Skygazer (1):

Lalendra

(4564)
JarJarDrinks (5): Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) -->

Lalendra

(3695) -->

Dunnstral

(3704) -->

Lalendra

(3721)
Ankamius (3):

Lalendra

(3801) --> (Null) (4044) --> Creature (4239)
Texcat (1): Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy (4): JarJarDrinks (3466) --> Texcat (3790) --> Creature (4245) --> Gamma Emerald (4421)
Vaxkiller (3): Kublai Khan (4004) --> Myloninja13 (4214) -->

Lalendra

(4220)
Wavemode (2): TehBrawlGuy (3468) -->

Lalendra

(3716) --> _{Ankamius (4600^)}

PenguinPower

(3): Texcat (3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) -->

Lalendra

(3678)
Myloninja13 (2):

Dunnstral

(3765) --> Creature (4252)
Scioness Sajj (3): Texcat (3756) --> Creature (4338) -->

Lalendra

(4577*)

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) -->

PenguinPower

(3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) -->

PenguinPower

(2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) -->

PenguinPower

(2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) -->

PenguinPower

(2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) -->

PenguinPower

(2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) -->

PenguinPower

(2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) -->

PenguinPower

(2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7):

PenguinPower

(1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)

Lalendra

(7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) -->

PenguinPower

(2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1):

PenguinPower

(1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) -->

PenguinPower

(3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) -->

PenguinPower

(3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)

PenguinPower

(7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1):

PenguinPower

(2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) -->

PenguinPower

(3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) -->

PenguinPower

(2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral

(5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) -->

Lalendra

(1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) -->

TheRampage

(909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) -->

TheRampage

(813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3):

Lalendra

(234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) -->

Lalendra

(279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) -->

TheRampage

(743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) -->

Lalendra

(1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)

Lalendra

(3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) -->

TheRampage

(771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) -->

TheRampage

(223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) -->

TheRampage

(1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)

TheRampage

(3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)

PenguinPower

(1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral

(2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[Creature]

Yeah but how does that make JJD scum?

Scion and TBG aren't what's making me scumread JJD.

[Krazy]

So what is?

[Tchill13]

If JJd's actions during the wheme lynch lead to him being lynched before TBG im gonna be incredibly pissed.

[Tchill13]

I'd think there would be more spectacle if they were both scum

Like if one is going down, give the other towncred out the ass, busbusbus, etc.

and once again you can't predict how a scum team would handle a certain situation. Is it more likely? possibly but thats not enough to clear it imo.

[Krazy]

Tchill what's your read of Creature?

[Ankamius]

I'd think there would be more spectacle if they were both scum

Like if one is going down, give the other towncred out the ass, busbusbus, etc.

and once again you can't predict how a scum team would handle a certain situation. Is it more likely? possibly but thats not enough to clear it imo.

How would you handle it if you and a buddy were being run up and it was unlikely another slot would be lynched in your place?

This game state is so chaotic and its hit the stage where is expect scum would be starting to try to manipulate the wagons if they weren't before (which is very possible since this day went very differently than the last two)

So why would scum just wait until now to start building another wagon, in the most suspicious time to do so? There's no commitment to the bus, so it being this late is fucking weird if both of them are scum.

[Ankamius]

So yes I can't predict 100% accurately what scum will do, but I can make educated guesses.

[texcat]

this day went very differently than the last two)

How is today different?

[Ankamius]

The two leading wagons mostly crept up rather than jumping into existence all of a sudden

[Ankamius]

I should clarify

The last days were chaotic with wagons with big wagons appearing and disappearing really quickly, this set of wagons were mostly settled on

It's unlikely scum didn't have a hand in this progression

[Tchill13]

Tchill what's your read of Creature?

my read is everyone TR's him so he's probably town.

as for his own play well... See that top line.

[Tchill13]

So yes I can't predict 100% accurately what scum will do, but I can make educated guesses.

educated guesses are fine. I'm just saying in the grand scheme of things how you and I would handle scenario A could be completely different than others handling the same scenario, although I do agree with you. I just think its not a good enough argument.

[Tchill13]

I should clarify

The last days were chaotic with wagons with big wagons appearing and disappearing really quickly, this set of wagons were mostly settled on

It's unlikely scum didn't have a hand in this progression

in both wagons? in one? if one which wagon?

I think all the lynches this game have been town driven and scum have been happy to lay back rather than set ground work.

[Ankamius]

Probably at least one, maybe both

[Ankamius]

So yes I can't predict 100% accurately what scum will do, but I can make educated guesses.

educated guesses are fine. I'm just saying in the grand scheme of things how you and I would handle scenario A could be completely different than others handling the same scenario, although I do agree with you. I just think its not a good enough argument.

That's a big reason I don't usually explain my arguments tbh

[Ankamius]

Maybe I'll lay out the last few days and really show what I'm talking about, idk

[Tchill13]

i mean just looking at the number of conftowns were on every lynch at the beginning is why i say that.