Gerrymandering Shadow Government Democracy Mafia Endgame

[Wh4t]

Orfhz seems fine, why are people scum reading them?

[Wh4t]

NK15 seems fine too, never seen a wolf dictate game rules for town to follow at SOD.

[Ankamius]

I'll have time then, hold tight a few hours

[Blind Bandits]

aight

ill wait for ank

[mutantdevle]

I think that’s a bad idea - unless you can promise you’ll be hear to lynch.

[Ankamius]

In the meantime, did anyone answer why Invisibility is on the block? I see the recent stuff but I want to know the before stuff too

[Blind Bandits]

I think that’s a bad idea - unless you can promise you’ll be hear to lynch.

ill lynch nk15 before i go to bed

[Not Known 15]

In the meantime, did anyone answer why Invisibility is on the block? I see the recent stuff but I want to know the before stuff too

Because they weren't on the block before, for no reason? And they have an inflated post count but most of their posts are baseless shading. Also wanted to get skitter president - really?

And I just read this:

does that make it more people that want nk15 lynch than invisbilaity lynch

Does this come from town? I doubt it.

[skitter30]

why would I claim earlier
I actually didn’t see the part in the bb telling me to claim
I thought it was only mutant who has gone mad
and if you’re like going along with this plan then my shoe world is a lie

uh ur a vt claim and have been in the lynchpool for most of the day, why would u not claim?

like i don't get the motivation for not claiming here; it's kinda scummy of you not to do so when you've been asked multiple tiems

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Hello!

hello!

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Who is the current president? Was there any shenanigans with the voting over night?

bb is

voting participation is god-awful so i think 4/5 districts were tied and bb is a pr who can decide tied districts and they used that to make themselves president

they're prob town on role tho because scum having that ability seems rather scum-sided given that scum can make the districts in the first place

also if they were scum i feel like they would have just used the ability to mislynch someone already instead of trying to promote democratic procedures like they are rn

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Tin foil hot take: Hebi and NK15 are working together to make the role claim feasible and Hebi appear townie. So NK double voting to prevent the tiebreaker could've been an excuse for Hebi's "role" to remain out of reach and unable to help town, whilst Hebi gets towncred for wanting to help.

i think this is a stupid read, no offense, especially since i'm pretty sure hebi had the oppurtunity to try for a second district by double-voting i think yesterday if she had wanted to but didn't; i think she's been acting in good faith tbh

she was in a tied district day2

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i havw always thought Wraith/Psyche slot is scum and has done nothing town

i think a fair part of that is that the slot's been lurking for like a month now; wh4t seems to be trying to like actually pay the game tho

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Lynch orfhz and if that somehow flips town I’ll sheep whoever rest of game

What do you think of them going to the lengths of citing meta to defend vizzy?

i think that's kinda townie of ofrhz tbh in that she's defending a read she cares about and backing up where she's getting the read from

I mean, they defended you too. Just they did it entirely with words.

Yeah but they were not entirely relying on meta there.

how much have you played with ofrhz? like why do u think it's scummy of them to use meta to defend someone?

Meta out of one game? That is not reliable at all. That's smelling like a desperate scum -> scum defense more than anything else.

also she's defending both of you so idk why you're characterizing defending vizzy as being scummy - ie if ofrhz is scum defending her scum buddy vizzy why does she defend you as well and start a new wagon-thing instead of just throwing her support behind you given that the count is 5-4 (or 4-3 i don't remember) rn?

this scumread of ofrhz doesn't really make much sense to me tbh

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still want {vizzy/nk15} and really want bb to maek sure they put in the lynch before deadline

[Invisibility]

im not repeating myself about the claiming thing

[Ankamius]

Does anyone around right now have prior experience with Invisibility?

[Not Known 15]

also she's defending both of you so idk why you're characterizing defending vizzy as being scummy - ie if ofrhz is scum defending her scum buddy vizzy why does she defend you as well and start a new wagon-thing instead of just throwing her support behind you given that the count is 5-4 (or 4-3 i don't remember) rn?

How they are defending invisibility is scummy, not defending in general.
And the new wagon? Possibly for towncred? That wagon was unlikely to move.
Defending me is probably supposed to be distancing in case invisibility flips scum and I flip town. And(or) it is designed to hide the weak defend on Invisibility since they defend both us...

[Ankamius]

Blind Bandits is probably scum

Not impossible no

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

Skitter: trying to rig the districts to get two free votes pushed through

Although maybe that's the type of strategy that would be better pushed in gamestates like where we are at now, where individual votes are more impact full.

Idk, trying to figure stuff like that isn't very easy in a game this complex

sorry, i'm still not sure what you mean by this

i imagine that scum would be trying to arrange the districts so as to make it easier to get their chosen person elected. the slot that most seems to be a thing for is maybe yours actually; it seemed on a few days that the districts were slightly tilted towards ruby, but if scum were purposefully trying to make that a thing they ddn't really capitalize on the district placements - ruby hasn't even voted in a few days

also it seems like wheme supporters are generally being sepreated i think

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like

hebi's claim isn't scummy and from what I can tell, the lie she apparently told is the type that makes sense with her claim

I think I don't understand the setup well enough to understand what the point against NK15 is?

he's pushing her basically on the basis of being third-party and wants to lynch her today even tho it's day4 and there's no flipped scum at this time

he also fake-claimed a guilty

and double-voted himself in order to deny hebi being in a tied district although he started the game saying double-voting is a scumclaim

he also outed 123's result after we all agreed in the party pt that we wouldn't

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wtf we have two third parties?

what kind of setup is this

wheme lol-claimed third party but this claim is not particularly as much believed as hebi's

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CURRENT LYNCH POOL IS {INVIS, NK15}

NO ONE ASKED FOR SKITTER BUT IM PUTTING HIM IN JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT

INTENT TO LYNCH WHICHEVER ONE COMES TO MIND WHEN I WAKE UP CAUSE PURRC CANT STOP ME IF HES AWAY

THOSE IN THE POOL SHOULD CLAIM ACCORDINGLY

i'm a she

if you're serious about this i'll claim

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I hate this plan but I’m vt

lynch this with fire

why were you tip-toeing around a vt claim for like a week? and going out of ur way to avoid claiming?

It's really hot in my house, so I'm going to do caveman formatting for this, numbers indicate which quote response I'm referring to.

1.im referring to scum rigging the districts so that if they want someone specific in power, they have the votes to likely muscle it through. This is mostly a thing because of the consistent town flips but it's not very well supported by the district allocations (unless someone outside of the mafia can manipulate them, I heard hebi can but it's far more limited than what I think would be necessary to cause a false negative here)

2. This is a good case, I like this

3. That's something we need to figure out at some point, I'm almost at the point of just assuming we have a tiny mafia team and multiple 3Ps to make up the numbers as the biggest possible way this setup was designed

[Ankamius]

Because you were near lynch. Like, you were asked multiple times to claim, including by the president. Flat out refusal to do so is scum-indicative since we do have a time limit.

Anti town yes, it's not actually scummy for every single player

Tbh his tone around this interaction is looking like frustrated town more than caught scum

[Ankamius]

At the same time, I think BB should go on with the deal we made and lynch NK15 since Vizzy did claim first...

i mean ill probably do that

lowkey wanted both of them to vote

but ill just do this again tomorrow since it's likely that i can get president again cause you guys have terrible voter participation and we can essentially rig elections if you guys dont vote.

im fine being the chaotic villain so you guys can shake off the apathy to elect someone more sane

there cannot be peace without first a great suffering and the greater the suffering the greater the peace

This feels really iffy to me

[Ankamius]

i think invis is town

i'm having a hard time seeing NK15's posts come from scum with daychat, like the fakeclaim on aronis. this guy is also kind of just lynchbait as town

i think i want to VOTE: ankamius

I still want to know what this was all about

[Ankamius]

I still do not trust Hebichan, but whatever.
I haven't seen scum doing anything wrong and this voting system is insanely scumsided. I do not scumread BB for trying(and succeeding to) to get the presidency. I do not want to see Invisibility lynched right now, but rather Ankamius(Ok, Hebichan.... but I realize that this doesn't have a chance.), but Invisibility is ok, because their name fits their presence the first three days, and that points to scum more often than not.

Pfffffffffffffff

Lynch this

[Blind Bandits]

just realised i said i wanted invis and nk15 to both vote

i meant both claim

[Ankamius]

A recent invis game where he was lynched as scum. The circumstances aren't entirely the same (invis replaced into a scummy slot evidently and quickly got lynched), but he kinda just gave up in that game instead of trying to claw his way out of a lynch. His reaction here doesn't feel the same.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10329535

This is not a good case since the gamestates are completely opposite of one another. Nobody is going to have the same reaction to being wagoned every time they roll scum, and comparing a game where he was the last scum alive on day two to one where no scum are dead on day four isn't very comparible

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

ofrhz - Lean town.
Hebichan - Lean town.
123456789 - Lean scum
Aronis - Lean scum.
Ankamius - Lean town.

Need to sort:
Whemestar
Invisibility
mutantdevle
skitter30
Myloninja13
Blind Bandits
Not Known 15

It's slightly worrying that so many people agree on NK15 and Invisibility. It would be helpful if there were links to EOD/SOD or other events, as this is an exceptionally large and nuanced game to process. I've skimmed a few ISOs but I doubt I'm going to be able to read the full game.

Who is the current president? Was there any shenanigans with the voting over night?

I'll keep reading and try to filter more reads.

Tin foil hot take: Hebi and NK15 are working together to make the role claim feasible and Hebi appear townie. So NK double voting to prevent the tiebreaker could've been an excuse for Hebi's "role" to remain out of reach and unable to help town, whilst Hebi gets towncred for wanting to help.

This read is for entertainment purposes only so consume at your own risk. I'm currently townleaning Hebi subject to the claim being legitimate, it's weird that she's not a threat to scum though right?

More than likely scum can block her from reaching her abilities by putting her in smaller districts with at least 1 scum who double votes. Have her JOAT abilities been unlocked yet and has anyone else apart from NK15 double voted, whilst in a district with her?

@NK15 was your double vote outted by scum checking you for fraud or did you get caught by town adding it all up?

We probably have a TvS scenario here, if I had to guess. I doubt both are scum and I'm getting that manipulative feeling from how the day is going that doesn't generally pop up when scum have two wagons to choose between. This dichotomy feels a bit... deliberate?

[Blind Bandits]

Gnna say that I think nk15 and visible is town but we are letti the people decide who they want to kill
And not really skitter, Wraith did nothing but shitpost (better than us tbh) and i couldnt find a reason to tr psche

but thats a cool soft defense
haha! just kidding

- purrc 30

[Blind Bandits]

oh shit i was about to scumread ankameowse until i realized she replaced ruby red (the goat)

[Ankamius]

But can you just lynch someone though?

The term will last until (expired on 2018-08-08 13:30:00) from now

You have less than 24 hours and I'm getting worried because you're not always here.

I don't like the timing of this

[Invisibility]

what do you mean