SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[the worst]

still, I'm waiting for a lightbulb moment. something just doesn't feel like I've got a handle on this yet.

[Shoshin]

Are we in 5p tomorrow if both Krazy/guac are town? If so, I'd feel a lot more comfortable about that plan.

You said you saw some Chara games with strong scum play, can you link?

[the worst]

okay crisis mode. are there any believable combinations of 3 scum still left alive?

pedit: yeah that's what I'm wondering. as long as there aren't 3 scum left outside of those two which seems pretty unlikely. and it was a long weekend marathon game xyzzy and I hosted (before you scream lol marathon meta it was like a 3 day long game).

[the worst]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=76720

first time seeing scum!Chara. I've done some skimming of a few of its other games but probably owe a full dive (why am I so lazyyyy)

[Shoshin]

Nah, it's 2 scum left.

[Shoshin]

It's weird that you went from townreading me to pushing my lynch to now defending me, can you speak to that progression? Like, I don't get it. At all.

[Shoshin]

I also still don't get your play around your claim. Like, why delay? Do you do this as town? Can you point to a game where you've done something similar as town?

[the worst]

You don't find my style of reads erratic?

I townread you early because you seemed to check out for town. I kinda soft checked out of the game when the postcount plummeted and people replaced out and I kinda think someone cased you as scum when I couldn't keep up with what was going on and it sounded ok? I wanna say Pun but I'd need to check, I was zoned af. But when you yelled at me and prompted me to actually read your slot again I kinda realised that on the balance of probabilities you're quite unlikely to be scum.

[the worst]

Good question, I'll think on the delay. the only thing that comes to mind is the recent Jungle Republic where I had a n1 seer guilty and tormented people with it to get reactions. ngl there isn't much stylistic difference in how I torture people for my own enjoyment between alignments I don't think?

the stalling thing was mostly around the incorrect cat thing, lmk if you need an explanation for what was going through my head but again it's something I'll opt out of elaborating on if I can.

and I probably could've roleclaimed earlier than I did I guess? but I kinda wanted to complete the massclaim and figured it'd be okay since Pun knew my role and could've called bullshit if I didn't tow the line.

[Krazy]

Sho makes a pretty good point about Esp, but what the fuck is with people and always wanting to say "oh but there's one more thing but I'm not going to mention it."

[the worst]

Because as soon as you mention it you've unveiled a nuanced read which scum can use to inform their own fake reads? It's almost certainly bettwr for higher scum equity players to give their reads first here

[Shoshin]

I have no intention of creating needless paranoia or helping you push what I believe is a mislynch.

[the worst]

@Shosh self meta moment, you've probably realized now that as both alignments I'm ok early, pretty bad midgame and fairly good lategame. hopefully that helps with some context around some of my read trajectory?

[Shoshin]

No, not really.

[Shoshin]

My sense is that you tend to go with the flow midgame, which isn't really what you did in this game.

[Krazy]

So is your working theory still the worst + guac then?

If so, basically I'd want you to explain why Taly was so wrong on the slot. I mostly moved off the worst because I reread Taly.

[Krazy]

Vote Guac

[Shoshin]

I'm unsure about the worst. I'm confident the scum is in you, the worst, and DV. I'm working out where in that group.

I think Taly's reads are irrelevant to solving this game, since Taly had a tiny fraction of the information we have and I don't have any reason to believe Taly had a better read on the game than me.

[Shoshin]

Pun's shooting Guac, so I don't really feel like lynching there today.

[Shoshin]

I don't like how much weight you're giving to what dead townies thought as opposed to figuring the game out for yourself. Townies tend to scumhunt for themselves, not sheep the dead without any critical thought of their own.

[Shoshin]

Krazy, did you reread the whole game or did you just iso Taly for his reads?

[the worst]

@Shosh hard "sometimes" there. It's a fair take on my play as Labyrinth but not necessarily a constant thing.

[Shoshin]

Would you say you're always bad midgame?

[Krazy]

Yes, but scum already had one redirection ability, and town has multiple NIs. It's not unlikely scum has some additional ability that we are unaware of. If guac is the strongest lead, then we should just lynch it.

I reread the first 60 pages so far and realized Taly's reads were the thing I had least accounted for in my previous analysis. I am actually still working through my reread but looking over Taly's PoV on the worst was enough to make me consider changing my vote until I finished my reread.

[Shoshin]

Meh, fuck it. Let's lynch DV?