NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Ausuka]

Profii can you outline to me why you actually never voted for Dram?

This game is dead, let's change that

[brassherald]

I still don't understand the Gamma clear.

We know someone loud healed hitalt, not that hitalt was actually attacked.

[Ausuka]

It's because the chances of Gamma being attacked are much higher than any other possibility to the point where I'm willing to clear him. Also the slot is town on play anyway really.

[brassherald]

Okay, what's the vote count look like? I still would love a profii flip and a situation where the worst does not kill a day 1 town read of mine as part of his vigging.

[Ausuka]

Imagine a few votes on MOI and HWS, Jingle no lynching and most people not voting and it'll be fairly close to reality.

[brassherald]

VOTE: Magna

Guy falls into lots of my issues today. Was scumreading A50, still voted xyzzy. Pretty sure he thought I was scum last time he spoke about me, but chastises Ausuka for giving me a fruit.

I don't remember if I called him town, but, I'm leaning more towards this being the scum fruit vendor claim.

[Gamma Emerald]

can't bring myself to lynch someone who's asking for it
no but really he towntold a little and gamma said he didnt... try to kill anyone last night if I'm understanding what detective does?

I believe it checks if someone ever killed/tried to kill
so it's a little better than tracker wrt finding killers but that's the only thing it does

Hey gamma you kinda have to find this out its somewhat of a big deal
Roles are not really supposed to be ambiguous in that way in normal queue (people should generally understand the basic of what their role does) so get this sorted out one way or another

Yeah it's for the entire game up til then, not just the night I check them

[profii]

Profii can you outline to me why you actually never voted for Dram?

This game is dead, let's change that

I really wanted to go on that wagon that I was keen on day 1. And as such, given all the others are now dead (I think) if we somehow move away from MoI today, I hope we go back on Sky as there must have been scum in that move and Skys the only one left now. (...I think)

[profii]

VOTE: Magna

Was scumreading A50, still voted xyzzy.

how do you think the scum decided on A50 as a kill?

If they are scum reading A50, by removing them ,they force themselves to justify new reasons for lynching whoever they pick... that surely makes the game harder for them?

[Skygazer]

how do you think the scum decided on A50 as a kill?

If they are scum reading A50, by removing them ,they force themselves to justify new reasons for lynching whoever they pick... that surely makes the game harder for them?

is this a slip???

TW claimed the A50 kill which means there's a kill missing, but this post seems to know that scum killed A50

Also, why are you defending MoI if you're voting for him?

I really don't like this post

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Magna

Was scumreading A50, still voted xyzzy.

how do you think the scum decided on A50 as a kill?

If they are scum reading A50, by removing them ,they force themselves to justify new reasons for lynching whoever they pick... that surely makes the game harder for them?

Are you even reading the game

[Skygazer]

I feel like 3357 is an obv deflection with a weak explanation followed by pushing on someone else who didn't vote for dram

I say we lynch profii tomorrow

[brassherald]

the worst should just shoot profii if we don't lynch him today.

[brassherald]

Like, I didn't think I could get more obvious than I've been at trying to tell the worst to shoot that man without telling him to do it, so I just decided to tell him.

[profii]

VOTE: Magna

Was scumreading A50, still voted xyzzy.

how do you think the scum decided on A50 as a kill?

If they are scum reading A50, by removing them ,they force themselves to justify new reasons for lynching whoever they pick... that surely makes the game harder for them?

Are you even reading the game

apparently not


anyway


I didn't think I was defending MoI? Ironically my vote is there because of the lack of scum kill

I still think TW is SK but I'll not push that because the group doesn't want to hear it (ps lynch me please)

so, given lack of 2 kills and the FV claim are basically cops, surely scum targeted Ausuka, there is probability that the 2x FV's are town/scum, so let's kill one and just get a load of proper innos.

[Jingle]

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This is kinda simplified but meh. Does anyone other than MOI have major problems with this?

The colors you used for the worst hurt my eyes.

Did someone ever crunch the numbers to see if the almost clears being town put us in autowin?

[Ausuka]

Profii can you outline to me why you actually never voted for Dram?

This game is dead, let's change that

I really wanted to go on that wagon that I was keen on day 1. And as such, given all the others are now dead (I think) if we somehow move away from MoI today, I hope we go back on Sky as there must have been scum in that move and Skys the only one left now. (...I think)

Uhhh? That doesn't, really answer my question very well and I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say? You jumped between xyzzy and flubber but never to dramonic despite explicitly saying you would be willing to join that wagon.

I feel like 3357 is an obv deflection with a weak explanation followed by pushing on someone else who didn't vote for dram

I say we lynch profii tomorrow

Honestly I think I agree with this.

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This is kinda simplified but meh. Does anyone other than MOI have major problems with this?

The colors you used for the worst hurt my eyes.

Then I guess I did my job

Without knowing what mafia PRs could be I think it's hard to calculate autowin from a town POV. If the mafia know it's autowin they'll probs just concede though right?

[profii]

I suppose you are right it didn’t answer the question. Idk I thought the other wagon might have made it over the line

I tried to work out if it’s auto win but I think TW SK so I was factoring in 1/2 NKs then also this super doctor and gave up

[Ausuka]

Idk I thought the other wagon might have made it over the line

By "the other wagon" what do you mean? Xyzzy? Flubber? When dram was being power wagoned did you really just think "oh I don't think this will Cross the Line" when pretty much the only obstacle to it doing so was the Jailkeeper claim?

[profii]

We are talking about day 1 where the 2 end of day wagons were HitAlt and Flubber

I’ve said I wanted to vote at the rask wagoners, town went with flubber, who although didn’t vote - did posture, hence my vote

I also said I thought HitAlt was Boon, so random role allusions in the manner in which HitAlt was doing it, seemed towny so I wasn’t voting there


I then was on the xyzzy lynch, again in the Rask wagon

I’ve also said a few times I’d Lynch Sky but the wagon has never quite made it, but given where we are, I bet sky is the scum in the Rask deal.


Anyway. To specifically address your query, whilst dram seemed (well was) scummy, I felt more confident in the Rask thing so I stuck there. It never came down to something like Dram vs HitAlt where I would have easily gone Dram

[Jingle]

I've been thinking, and I'm down with HWS/MoI mechanically.

Particularly if HWS was told what modifiers were in the game instead of just how many, MoI claiming loyal after double fruit but before Ausuka makes a lot of sense.

Also, the biggest part of defending HWS was concern that he was the doctor.

The only slot with possible tracker tells that I've seen from looking at claims is GE. GE is likely town. Therefore, GE is unlikely to be tracker.

Further, I don't see how HWS being informed actually narrows anything down for us. If we know the accurate number, scum have to claim an accurate number of modifiers or risk being outed. If HWS is scum, we won't know the accurate number, but rather whatever HWS wants us to think is the accurate number while he's alive. In the first case, scum just claims to match the accurate number, unless you assume that enough scum have already fakeclaimed to make it impossible for them to do so. In the second, the information is literally useless.

The only thing we can glean from HWS's role if we wait to massclaim modifiers is whether TW has a modifier. TW SK can't win without shooting obvtown at this point, and if he shoots obvtown we lynch him, so that information is useless. Or am I missing something again?

[Jingle]

Without knowing what mafia PRs could be I think it's hard to calculate autowin from a town POV. If the mafia know it's autowin they'll probs just concede though right?

Not if they're good at being mafia.

It's always worth the effort to see if town will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[the worst]

HWS seems slightly more likely to be town than before btw

[Nosferatu]

prod dodge


FUCK IM RUINING THIS SLOT

[Raskolnikov]

I don't know if profiis continued obsession over a day 1 mini wagon composition is pants on head, genius, or just scum and this is from the wagon recipient