micro 816-II: pokemon go (open game) (gambe over)

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Spoiler:

Vote count 1.10

profii (4):

Shoshin, GirlInFreezer, Creature, stungun0404

Aronis (1):

profii

stungun0404 (1):

NicoRobin

Kokichi Oma (1):

northsidegal

not voting (2):

Aronis, Kokichi Oma

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends august 13 at 02:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-08-13 02:00:00)

mod notes

• ex raid in 90min

[profii]

Gonna take the initiative:

Lynch target: Aronis
Jailkeep target: GIF
Secondary jailkeep target: stungun (mostly because it's likely JK!GIF would jail stun here if Aronis flipped scum)

see this is exactly what I was pushing for

VOTE: profii

Then 2 posts later....


Me no likey

its literally on this page

Are you even reading the game

[profii]

Damn new page

[stungun0404]

not exactly to my best abilities, i have 300+ page thread to keep up with.

i just go off memory most of the time

[stungun0404]

btw, @profii if you are town check out this game that just finished, american presidents mafia

i was town and i was worried about how shoshin was pushing towards my lynch on d1, and with only one or two votes on me i was already defending in a way others thought was strange

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31546

[profii]

I am annoyed I didn’t write this down in my PT - when I said to Stungun yesterday “apply pressure” to GIF I knew he would react in this annoying ATE way - he’s hard to lynch, I liked whoever said defeatist, that’s a good description.

Kinda not sure what to make of Shoshin/Stungun/Aronis as I would assume at least 1 of you would have seen this behaviour before - I was expecting more Kokis - people to be unfazed by it because actually...

It’s totally NAI (imo) - I would say as any alignment it’s easy to make this defence in reaction to pressure so it’s largely meaningless


What this episode has given me is that creature post - 616 - why are we lynching anyway for something that is largely NAI


I say we lynch Creature which pretty much towns GIF
Or we lynch Aronis because part of me still believes the case on GIF is good and the associations between GIF / Aronis seem to be there


I know people have a reluctance to hunt the scum team on day 1 but it doesn’t bother me - obviously I have an opinion on where the JK should go following those lynches, however I’ll not speculate too much as there is potential for me to be wrong and we don’t want to signpost our scum to easy NKs



So yea

VOTE: Creature

It also pinged me here that creature just hopped on the GIF deal

Idk creature well enough to know if he just gets bored of the day and wants a flip, or if this sneaking onto wagons without too much forthcoming reasoning is scummy

Sure it _can_ be scummy and I’m putting it out there for others to say yay or nay but I can’t conclude myself

[stungun0404]

it’s also weird how he’s trying to perhaps control the jk. allow for some autonomy there for real!

like i said earlier, it may or may not be me

but the best strategy is if there are 2 scum: be a doctor. if there is 1 scum, use it as a cop.

and that’s how i would use it, period.

[profii]

I don’t understand why someone said nominated JKs this early are optimal but whatever

[stungun0404]

if i’m scum here, i am not throwing out a strategy that just won a lylo game against me where i was scum period.

irrelephant used that strategy, and entirely because of it town ended up winning. otherwise i would have looked town enough to win

[profii]

Who is scum voting for me then

[stungun0404]

Who is scum voting for me then

i have already established that it would be either gif or creature. but that is for you to decide. i’m at the point where i want to trust gif does not AtE this hard as scum, so i guess then it would be creature—which would make sense given his bandwagon switch over to you and his obsession with controlling the jailkeeper jailkeeps. so if you flip town, creature is the likely scum consequence. does that add up to you?

[stungun0404]

creature’s votes today: aronis and profii

[stungun0404]

in fact, VOTE: creature

i am thinking he is scum here actually

he hates waiting for mislynches, and so votes as scum to add to town mislynches

he did this in lynchpin mafia. he is doing it here again with now both aronis and profii

[stungun0404]

Spoiler: :)

Vote count 1.7

stungun0404 (2):

Kokichi Oma, GirlInFreezer

Kokichi Oma (1):

northsidegal

Aronis (1):

Shoshin

Creature (1):

profii

not voting (4):

NicoRobin, Creature, Aronis, stungun0404

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends august 13 at 02:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-08-13 02:00:00)

mod notes

• boop de boop

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VOTE: Aronis

Actually that looks like l-2

VOTE: Aronis

creature is defending me who he mislynched in lynchpin mafia to perhaps help me in misleading everyone, so he does not vote me here

but he hops on the opposite wagon of aronis which has a shoshin vote already. then profii follows on to the aronis wagon

[stungun0404]

creature sheeps my townread of shoshin, but has been following her on to wagons that form... here he is on profii after votes of shoshin and gif.

Spoiler: i like banette a lot and it;s shiny

Vote count 1.9

Aronis (3):

Creature, profii, stungun0404

stungun0404 (2):

NicoRobin, GirlInFreezer

Kokichi Oma (1):

northsidegal

profii (1):

Shoshin

not voting (2):

Aronis, Kokichi Oma

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends august 13 at 02:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-08-13 02:00:00)

mod notes

• nico and aronis returned

VOTE: profii

VOTE: profii

@gif, it’s because i think you would be adept at playing scum. at least from what i have heard.

@profii, i already addressed my reads list by order in a recent post; i really don’t want to requote it when i feel like you could find it.
just look at the ordering of my ...>....>... = list

i just feel like rehashing it or even making changes to it at this point would just be a provocation, so i will reconsider everything next day phase.

i’m ok with lynching profii. i will lynch anyone that is not shoshin or nsg or myself at this point.

VOTE: profii

but would like a final readslist from profii in case we are wrong

[Kokichi Oma]

Stun I'm glad your posting has improved

[Kokichi Oma]

But why is creature saying that weird when aronis pretty much said the same thing about lynching anyone but you him and shoshin?

[stungun0404]

key difference: aronis is not hopping on to wagons, creature is

in lynchpin mafia where i was mislynched by an nsg and creature scum team, creature was 2nd on my mislynch wagon
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10225987
unrealseal first,

creature joins my wagon without any reasoning other than a bunch of other players being town

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10227246
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10227249

he talks about whether he should pretend being the lynchpin in his iso, which is similar to here where he is trying to control the jailkeeper
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10219654

[stungun0404]

Should we do something like: "If I'm the jailkeeper and profii (or whatever lynch) flips scum, I'm jailing X tonight"?

like suddenly, it is making a lot of sense for creature to be scum here

[stungun0404]

he is similarly like that game asking “should we...” regarding town (technical power roles). he is deferring to town to figure out how we proceed with those powers as scum, while trying to manipulate things a little

[stungun0404]

directly from creature’s wiki: “I'm the kind of player that cares most about townplay and thinks being scum and

hoping town mislynches is very boring

. Yes, I highly despise being groupscum, what's fun about being scum?”

[stungun0404]

also notice creature is in the bottom tier of posters this game, (more than aronis, nsg, and nico but less than everyone else).

[profii]

Who is scum voting for me then

i have already established that it would be either gif or creature. but that is for you to decide. i’m at the point where i want to trust gif does not AtE this hard as scum, so i guess then it would be creature—which would make sense given his bandwagon switch over to you and his obsession with controlling the jailkeeper jailkeeps. so if you flip town, creature is the likely scum consequence. does that add up to you?

We are on the same page rn

[Shoshin]

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna read some things before lynching anyone.

[Creature]

UNVOTE: