micro 816-II: pokemon go (open game) (gambe over)

[MariaR]

if kokichi is not scum with profii, i am calling that mariar is def scum with profii because gif made a sketchy townread of profii on page 12 and then when i asked him about it he never backed it up.

yes rc's top sr is our partner you got us OOF

[Aronis]

You're spinning this around and insisting that I am saying that lurking in general is town behavior, rather than it being town behavior for ME ALONE.

But okay, be my guest. :c

I'm saying lurking isn't town behavior and is anti-town. Provide all the examples you want, I highly doubt you'll be able to solidly prove it's a townie course of action on a repeated basis.

[Kokichi Oma]

VOTE: Aronis

[stungun0404]

why is aronis scummier than profii?

[profii]

Wait, did Aronis disappear without doing anything again?

let’s not get distracted by the fact that both kokichi and profii posted and then disappeared just now after i called them out as a possible scum pair based off their answers/lack of answer in the case of profii to my questions about each other.

Or let’s consider it’s 6am now in my time zone so back I just.... went to sleep


I can see why GIf was getting frustrated now

Your constant misrepping is annoying - hence lylo comment earlier

[profii]

VOTE: aronis

L-1 again.

[stungun0404]

i am going to be highkey frustrated here if aronis is lynched and flips town here

look at all the recent voters on his lynchwagon

nicorobin started it for no reason, other than the treatment of nico’s slot from aronis
maria followed creature saying he could lynch aronis and just up and voted aronis
profii follows 2 minutes later, but has been scummy imo
creature then places aronis at L-1


the lynch dies off after i return

shoshin then rejoins the aronis wagon, moving off the profii wagon, when profii is clearly scummier than aronis here
then kokichi who had literally only voted me before votes aronis, with no reasoning attached, in spite of previously mentioning a willingness to vote profii

6 players and not a serious reason for scumreading aronis that i have seen

meanwhile, profii has been scummy af and that lynchwagon has died off because??? shoshin, you even said he was scummy earlier

so why did you move?

[stungun0404]

i even joined aronis lynchwagon earlier for no reason to L-1 him at one point, so that is 7 fucking slots. aronis town here ffs with all this danger he has been put in. only nsg’s slot HAS NOT been placed a vote that endangered him

[profii]

The fact we can’t get aronis through suggests scum aren’t keen to be there. Intent it and get the claim or just vote

[stungun0404]

The fact we can’t get aronis through suggests scum aren’t keen to be there. Intent it and get the claim or just vote

EXCEPT THE SAME THING WOULD APPLY TO YOUR WAGON.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET YOU THROUGH

[stungun0404]

it’s frustrating too because i really think you are scum here and your partner is not bussing and is in fact kokichi

[stungun0404]

why, based off your own gameplay style, should i believe this is your townplay profii?

[profii]

The fact we can’t get aronis through suggests scum aren’t keen to be there. Intent it and get the claim or just vote

EXCEPT THE SAME THING WOULD APPLY TO YOUR WAGON.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET YOU THROUGH

Put a case together rather than just constantly post “profiis scum guys come on”


Because right now that’s all you got (and it’s very annoying)

[profii]

why, based off your own gameplay style, should i believe this is your townplay profii?

Lol I don’t care what you think - if you can convince people to lynch me - great I don’t have to listen to your tunnel anymore

But what I refuse to do is say stuff that you can keep quoting and go “look guys scummmy”


Because that’s where this is going

[stungun0404]

profii? i think there is a higher chance profii flips scum here than aronis

just look at how that vote wagon changed directions quickly

how easy he hopped on

and i had found this earlier in one of his town games, so i will copy it into here:

quoted from pm’s to myself: fun biz!

“profii does not really seem to be townhunting much this game, which is concerning me

Spoiler: a profii town game on d1

town stances

just because I don't proof read and I don't think that's very clear...

Ruby town

SIV scum

the bold bit:

I think that so far, ruby, whilst fairly aggressive about it, has been scum hunting,

so lets just call that town for now.

the SIV vote, whilst 3/10, is an easy way to get yourself on a wagon that potentially has legs... oh look I'm L-1

something weird is going on with me flying up to l-1 - I have no idea how that has even happened, so I'll be voting someone on my wagon I think.

I think this is the worsts town game

And Kokis

So I am thinking Una or Siv will be the scum

Una made some weird posts for Una to be fair but I don’t like SIV either

102 posts in, already 3 town stances.

Usually I can town hunt pretty easily but there is a lack of players towning it up in this game

he claims to be able to usually townhunt pretty easily, and has already taken 3 stances in that game, and yet claims “there is a lack of players towning it up”. why does it seem to me that he is not taking a similar stance in our game?

I’m pretty sure I’ve been criticised in my earliest games for being seen to town hunt more than scum hunt so I find it weird that someone would expect to find a history of me doing it - I kinda assumed site meta is scum hunt or die


Anyway. TW - our only other game I think was the mafia month game where I was scum. Why do you think this is my scum game again? I think this is your paranoia game because town lost that game I mentioned

claims he is a townhunter more than a scumhunter as town

Well I think Mr Otter can be town, that’s good

another stance, and we are only 151 posts in

Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1

Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst

what do you dislike about it profii?
in detail pls

I think I was just baiting to sort you - concluding you are town for now

Kokis town we can do a new wagon now guys

that is 4 players

kinda feel like Performer is too unaware to be scum like their reading comprehension is well thru the floor

I was literally just trying to think of the best way to phrase

“Sometimes players use bizarre logic and appear scummy to me, but they are just town that play in a way I don’t comprehend”

As that + what you said is my thought on performer rn

that is 5 players and we are only 395 posts into the game

i am not a fine lynch

damn that cute dog.

UNVOTE:

we get to a few more pages and i'll actually attempt to put effort in i guess.

I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?

so I feel like maybe i was in tchills lynch pool the whole time,

koki is probably town

and tchil is adding fuel to any passing wagons to see if they go through (i.e. mafia win-con remove any town)

I know that me being really weak but now the wagon has momentum let me see.
Dunn:
ruby / worst / tchil / koki / azurit / Lucky Otter.

now let's just look at some of the prev. wagons at their peaks

profii (5):
Kokichi Oma, the worst, UnaBombaH, Tchill13, SIV36

koki:
maria / profii / performer / SIV / TChill


the dunn wagon is

mostly

TRs, id say luckyotter is one of my stronger town reads maybe

My gut instinct is I don't TR Tchill and he appears on all the wagons, this is making me think 'any lynch will do for scum' sort of vibes. But again, it's quite simple, scum don't give themselves away like that.

sorting wagons and explaining why he cannot quite townread tchill.

urgh

LuckyOtter is like my biggest town read and tchill is my biggest scum read.

someone else can do it

not messing around before night phase where he is killed n1. he is messing around here however

”



my instinct is telling me profii is flipping scum here. thus, i heavily favor lynching him. little-to-no townhunting in this game = high chance of him flipping scum. need to investigate his scumgames really quickly, but i am pretty damn sure i want this lynch right now. ARONIS HOWEVER HAS BEEN TOWNHUNTING TO AN EXTENT off memory.
VOTE: Profii

Spoiler: extra reason

further,

What they're saying is that if you were scum there's a lot easier ways to push you and you wouldn't bother going for supplementary details which may end up not being in favor of the narrative you're pushing

But as town you would do the meta analysis

It's not the most rigorous of thinking but it makes sense

i see this now. but this argument definitely isn’t cogent enough to adapt my early stance on him. all of this is attributable to profii-scum too. i’m not thinking he’s someone we should townread right now though, and i tend to be right when i call townreads into question as town, as they typically are scum. so if i’m not following a townread someone puts out, and i call it into question as town, and they can’t back it up with a statement that changes my mind, that players has had a tendency of flipping scum.

suffice it to say, i don’t call that many townreads into serious question.

this is additional reason why we lynch him. my gut instincts here have been extremely accurate of late. i cannot fully townread profii, and have called tr’s of him into question. this has proven remarkably accurate for finding scumplayers in my recent games, even extending to a multiball scum game where i questioned a townread on creature and he was scum. in american presidents mafia, the only townread i questioned was on momrangal. she flipped scum. and this was on d1 before i replaced out of that game. this has been absurdly accurate overall of recent, and i encourage everyone to trust my gut here.

Like that whole one of 3 people are scum lynchpool doesn't really feel likely to come from scum

That's townish, yeah.

explain why please @gif, and not shoshin.

like, i can see how it can be interpreted as that, but want to see if your explanation to see if you have the same idea that i have here

i furthered that question mark here, never got a good answer. i am not relieved

i have made several cases profii, with the majority of the material being in 1167 and 1169 both of which went largely unacknowledged by you iirc.

[profii]

The fact we can’t get aronis through suggests scum aren’t keen to be there. Intent it and get the claim or just vote

EXCEPT THE SAME THING WOULD APPLY TO YOUR WAGON.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET YOU THROUGH

I’m pretty sure the majority of people have voted me at some point - I can say that confidently without checking - there’s a town sign


Why don’t you do something useful and search the thread to see who has voted Aronis and see if anyone never has?

Rather than screaming at me, that might actually be worthwhile

[stungun0404]

what frustrates me is kokichi and nicorobin both can be very difficult to work with, and they are both on the aronis wagon right now and there is not much i can do about that

they were both on my wagon earlier too. what should i expect?

[stungun0404]

in fact, that is literally kokichi and nico’s vote progression

stun —> aronis

that’s it for both

[profii]

profii? i think there is a higher chance profii flips scum here than aronis

just look at how that vote wagon changed directions quickly

how easy he hopped on

and i had found this earlier in one of his town games, so i will copy it into here:

quoted from pm’s to myself: fun biz!

“profii does not really seem to be townhunting much this game, which is concerning me

Spoiler: a profii town game on d1

town stances

just because I don't proof read and I don't think that's very clear...

Ruby town

SIV scum

the bold bit:

I think that so far, ruby, whilst fairly aggressive about it, has been scum hunting,

so lets just call that town for now.

the SIV vote, whilst 3/10, is an easy way to get yourself on a wagon that potentially has legs... oh look I'm L-1

something weird is going on with me flying up to l-1 - I have no idea how that has even happened, so I'll be voting someone on my wagon I think.

I think this is the worsts town game

And Kokis

So I am thinking Una or Siv will be the scum

Una made some weird posts for Una to be fair but I don’t like SIV either

102 posts in, already 3 town stances.

Usually I can town hunt pretty easily but there is a lack of players towning it up in this game

he claims to be able to usually townhunt pretty easily, and has already taken 3 stances in that game, and yet claims “there is a lack of players towning it up”. why does it seem to me that he is not taking a similar stance in our game?

I’m pretty sure I’ve been criticised in my earliest games for being seen to town hunt more than scum hunt so I find it weird that someone would expect to find a history of me doing it - I kinda assumed site meta is scum hunt or die


Anyway. TW - our only other game I think was the mafia month game where I was scum. Why do you think this is my scum game again? I think this is your paranoia game because town lost that game I mentioned

claims he is a townhunter more than a scumhunter as town

Well I think Mr Otter can be town, that’s good

another stance, and we are only 151 posts in

Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1

Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst

what do you dislike about it profii?
in detail pls

I think I was just baiting to sort you - concluding you are town for now

Kokis town we can do a new wagon now guys

that is 4 players

kinda feel like Performer is too unaware to be scum like their reading comprehension is well thru the floor

I was literally just trying to think of the best way to phrase

“Sometimes players use bizarre logic and appear scummy to me, but they are just town that play in a way I don’t comprehend”

As that + what you said is my thought on performer rn

that is 5 players and we are only 395 posts into the game

i am not a fine lynch

damn that cute dog.

UNVOTE:

we get to a few more pages and i'll actually attempt to put effort in i guess.

I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?

so I feel like maybe i was in tchills lynch pool the whole time,

koki is probably town

and tchil is adding fuel to any passing wagons to see if they go through (i.e. mafia win-con remove any town)

I know that me being really weak but now the wagon has momentum let me see.
Dunn:
ruby / worst / tchil / koki / azurit / Lucky Otter.

now let's just look at some of the prev. wagons at their peaks

profii (5):
Kokichi Oma, the worst, UnaBombaH, Tchill13, SIV36

koki:
maria / profii / performer / SIV / TChill


the dunn wagon is

mostly

TRs, id say luckyotter is one of my stronger town reads maybe

My gut instinct is I don't TR Tchill and he appears on all the wagons, this is making me think 'any lynch will do for scum' sort of vibes. But again, it's quite simple, scum don't give themselves away like that.

sorting wagons and explaining why he cannot quite townread tchill.

urgh

LuckyOtter is like my biggest town read and tchill is my biggest scum read.

someone else can do it

not messing around before night phase where he is killed n1. he is messing around here however

”



my instinct is telling me profii is flipping scum here. thus, i heavily favor lynching him. little-to-no townhunting in this game = high chance of him flipping scum. need to investigate his scumgames really quickly, but i am pretty damn sure i want this lynch right now. ARONIS HOWEVER HAS BEEN TOWNHUNTING TO AN EXTENT off memory.
VOTE: Profii

Spoiler: extra reason

further,

What they're saying is that if you were scum there's a lot easier ways to push you and you wouldn't bother going for supplementary details which may end up not being in favor of the narrative you're pushing

But as town you would do the meta analysis

It's not the most rigorous of thinking but it makes sense

i see this now. but this argument definitely isn’t cogent enough to adapt my early stance on him. all of this is attributable to profii-scum too. i’m not thinking he’s someone we should townread right now though, and i tend to be right when i call townreads into question as town, as they typically are scum. so if i’m not following a townread someone puts out, and i call it into question as town, and they can’t back it up with a statement that changes my mind, that players has had a tendency of flipping scum.

suffice it to say, i don’t call that many townreads into serious question.

this is additional reason why we lynch him. my gut instincts here have been extremely accurate of late. i cannot fully townread profii, and have called tr’s of him into question. this has proven remarkably accurate for finding scumplayers in my recent games, even extending to a multiball scum game where i questioned a townread on creature and he was scum. in american presidents mafia, the only townread i questioned was on momrangal. she flipped scum. and this was on d1 before i replaced out of that game. this has been absurdly accurate overall of recent, and i encourage everyone to trust my gut here.

Like that whole one of 3 people are scum lynchpool doesn't really feel likely to come from scum

That's townish, yeah.

explain why please @gif, and not shoshin.

like, i can see how it can be interpreted as that, but want to see if your explanation to see if you have the same idea that i have here

i furthered that question mark here, never got a good answer. i am not relieved

i have made several cases profii, with the majority of the material being in 1167 and 1169 both of which went largely unacknowledged by you iirc.

@1289

Here are something I note about that post

- walls suck, even with spoilers, get to the point
- the first spoiler tag is not even this game, who cares?
- the 2nd spoiler says “my gut instinct” - I know you wrong so I stoped reading

Literally that is how I dealt with your post so if you don’t have some short succinct reasons for scum reading me that you derived from this game, I don’t find you credible at all- probably why your wagon is dying

[stungun0404]

lol profii i’m not screaming at you genuinely, i am just frustrated at whoever is town right now because i really think it’s clear you are scum. that is how you are coming off to me in our interactions

[profii]

in fact, that is literally kokichi and nico’s vote progression

stun —> aronis

that’s it for both

OMG A SCUM PAIR

[profii]

Ps I know you didn’t say that but that’s how it feels like you are reasoning with me rn

[stungun0404]

Wait, did Aronis disappear without doing anything again?

let’s not get distracted by the fact that both kokichi and profii posted and then disappeared just now after i called them out as a possible scum pair based off their answers/lack of answer in the case of profii to my questions about each other.

Or let’s consider it’s 6am now in my time zone so back I just.... went to sleep

I can see why GIf was getting frustrated now

Your constant misrepping is annoying - hence lylo comment earlier

good god. i have never had to be this argumentative in a mafia game before.

i might misremember, but i do not intentionally misrep.

you did post after the fact, but before i made that statement. it was a conclusion i thus upheld since both of you had posted, and neither acknowledged it.

this is not misrepping. misrepping is distorting sth entirely from the context of which it is taken.

[profii]

You didn’t think about why people might have lives outside of a mafia game (shock horror) and instead just went straight in with a comment that helped your tunnel


It’s annoying. Stop it.

[stungun0404]

you should never as town speculate instances where you flip scum. way too much wifom

you have done that 3 times profii