NY 213 - Game Over!

[Hopkirk]

Did you claim at any point?

[Ircher]

Day 6 VC #12

Golden Robster (3) - Krazy (6571), Wavemode (6603), Gamma Emerald (6722)
Krazy (0) -
Kublai Khan (1) - Vaxkiller (6860)
Tchill13 (0) -

JarJarDrinks (6) (L-2) - Creature (6495), Golden Robster (6656), Myloninj13 (6657), Skygazer (6682), TehBrawlGuy (6685), Tchill13 (6713)

TehBrawlGuy (0) -
Vaxkiller (3) - Kublai Khan (6570), Hopkirk (6702), JarJarDrinks (6873)
Wavemode (0) -
Myloninja13 (0) -
Not Voting (1) - Ankamius (6452)

Lynch Threshold

During day 6, it takes 8 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 6 ends on August 17, 2018 9:15 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-08-17 21:15:00).

Moderator Notes

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.

Moderator is V/LA from August 15 to August 21. (Hopefully I'll be around during that time, but if not, I'm sure Not Known 15 will cover for me.)

Golden Robster V/LA until August 24.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 6

Golden Robster: Tchill13 (6404) --> Golden Robster (6492) --> (Null) (6635) --> Myloninja13 (6651) --> (Null) (6653) --> JarJarDrinks (6656)
Krazy: Tchill13 (6329) --> Wavemode (6434) --> Golden Robster (6571)
Creature: Myloninja13 (6322) --> Kublai Khan (6380) --> Tchill13 (6409) --> JarJarDrinks (6423) --> Wavemode (6426) --> (Null) (6450) --> Golden Robster (6453) --> JarJarDrinks (6495)
Kublai Khan: Vaxkiller (6340) --> Wavemode (6516) --> Vaxkiller (6570)
Hopkirk: Vaxkiller (6702)
Gamma Emerald: Golden Robster (6722)
Tchill13: Golden Robster (6606) --> JarJarDrinks (6713)
JarJarDrinks: Golden Robster (6867) --> Vaxkiller (6873)
Skygazer: Golden Robster (6470) --> JarJarDrinks (6682)
Ankamius: Wavemode (6424) --> (Null) (6452)
TehBrawlGuy: Myloninja13 (6555) --> JarJarDrinks (6685)
Vaxkiller: Tchill13 (6393) --> Kublai Khan (6860)
Wavemode: Krazy (6338) --> Golden Robster (6493) --> TehBrawlGuy (6501) --> Golden Robster (6603)
Myloninja13: JarJarDrinks (6657)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 5

* - Hammer Vote
^ - Vote after hammer.

Golden Robster (2): TehBrawlGuy (5311) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6017)
Krazy (6): Gamma Emerald (5115) --> Tchill13 (5683) -->

Texcat

(5721) --> Gamma Emerald (5816) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5948) -->

Texcat

(5980)
Creature (7): Gamma Emerald (5397) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5577) --> JarJarDrinks (5751) --> Skygazer (6076) -->

Texcat

(6168) --> (Null) (6274) -->

Texcat

(6290)
Kublai Khan (3): Wavemode (5305) --> TehBrawlGuy (5520) -->

Texcat

(6303*)
Hopkirk (4): Krazy (5265) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5648) --> TehBrawlGuy (5942) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6024)
Gamma Emerald (4): Golden Robster (5631) --> JarJarDrinks (5703) --> (Null) (5929) -->

Texcat

(5983)
Tchill13 (4): Vaxkiller (5135) --> TehBrawlGuy (5139) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5174) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6037)
Skygazer (6): Wavemode (5439) --> (Null) (5480) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5640) -->

Texcat

(5985) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6019) -->

Texcat

(6172)
JarJarDrinks (6): TehBrawlGuy (5422) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5692) --> TehBrawlGuy (5848) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5936) --> TehBrawlGuy (5965) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6018)
Ankamius (9): Wavemode (5168) --> TehBrawlGuy (5643) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5693) --> JarJarDrinks (5713) -->

Texcat

(5984) --> (Null) (6002) -->

Texcat

(6010) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6016) -->

Texcat

(6176)

Texcat

(1): TehBrawlGuy (5689)
TehBrawlGuy (7): JarJarDrinks (5126) --> Wavemode (5373) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5653) --> JarJarDrinks (5709) -->

Texcat

(5975) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6039) -->

Texcat

(6065)
Vaxkiller (5): Krazy (5118) --> Gamma Emerald (5121) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5649) --> JarJarDrinks (5847) -->

Texcat

(5986)
Wavemode (6): Krazy (5263) --> TehBrawlGuy (5579) --> Gamma Emerald (5869) --> Golden Robster (5870) --> Wavemode (5871) --> TehBrawlGuy (5872)
Myloninja13 (2): Gamma Emerald (5394) --> TehBrawlGuy (5775) -->

Texcat

(6308^)

Scioness Sajj

(6): Gamma Emerald (5309) --> (Null) (5633) --> Myloninja13 (5642) --> TehBrawlGuy (5680) --> JarJarDrinks (5714) -->

Texcat

(5989)

Day 4

* - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(1):

Texcat

(4670)
Golden Robster (2):

Scioness Sajj

(4681) -->

Dunnstral

(5019)
Krazy (3):

Texcat

(4669) --> Gamma Emerald (4859) -->

Dunnstral

(5104*)
Creature (3):

Scioness Sajj

(4665) -->

Texcat

(4745) -->

Dunnstral

(4817)
Hopkirk (5):

Scioness Sajj

(4672) --> (Null) (4848) -->

Scioness Sajj

(4857) --> Vaxkiller (4992) --> Golden Robster (5062)
Gamma Emerald (1):

Dunnstral

(4847)
Tchill13 (6):

Scioness Sajj

(4707) -->

Dunnstral

(4822) -->

Scioness Sajj

(4863) -->

Dunnstral

(4988) --> (Null) (5064) --> TehBrawlGuy (5102)
Skygazer (4):

Scioness Sajj

(4717) -->

Texcat

(4888) --> (Null) (4894) -->

Dunnstral

(4973)
JarJarDrinks (2):

Scioness Sajj

(4674) -->

Dunnstral

(4815)
Ankamius (3): Tchill13 (4756) -->

Texcat

(5002) --> Krazy (5049)

Texcat

(1):

Dunnstral

(4829)
TehBrawlGuy (1):

Texcat

(4710)
Vaxkiller (1):

Scioness Sajj

(4721)
Wavemode (2):

Scioness Sajj

(4854) -->

Dunnstral

(5071)

PenguinPower

(2):

Scioness Sajj

(4713) -->

Dunnstral

(4819)
Myloninja13 (3):

Dunnstral

(4837) --> Gamma Emerald (4965) -->

Dunnstral

(5059)

Scioness Sajj

(2):

Texcat

(4675) --> (Null) (4895)

Day 3

* - Hammer vote
^ - Vote occurred after hammer

Dunnstral

(2): Myloninja13 (3463) -->

Texcat

(4162)
Golden Robster (3):

Dunnstral

(3559) --> TehBrawlGuy (4208) --> Creature (4255)
Pine (0):
Krazy (3):

Dunnstral

(3978) -->

Texcat

(4161) --> Gamma Emerald (4392)
Creature (8):

Texcat

(3472) -->

Lalendra

(3681) -->

Texcat

(3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) -->

Texcat

(4165) -->

Lalendra

(4213) --> Kublai Khan (4260) -->

Lalendra

(4284)
Kublai Khan (7): Creature (3511) -->

Lalendra

(4033) --> TehBrawlGuy (4184) --> Creature (4240) -->

Lalendra

(4308) --> Gamma Emerald (4416) -->

Lalendra

(4557)
Hopkirk (3):

Lalendra

(3661) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4339)
Gamma Emerald (3):

Lalendra

(3913) --> (Null) (3954) --> Myloninja13 (4073)

Ausuka

(4): Myloninja13 (3640) -->

Lalendra

(3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010) -->

Lalendra

(4286)

Lalendra

(3): TehBrawlGuy (3719) --> Myloninja13 (4130) --> Creature (4384)
Tchill13 (3):

Lalendra

(3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4215)
Frozen Angel (0):
Skygazer (1):

Lalendra

(4564)
JarJarDrinks (5): Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) -->

Lalendra

(3695) -->

Dunnstral

(3704) -->

Lalendra

(3721)
Ankamius (3):

Lalendra

(3801) --> (Null) (4044) --> Creature (4239)

Texcat

(1): Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy (4): JarJarDrinks (3466) -->

Texcat

(3790) --> Creature (4245) --> Gamma Emerald (4421)
Vaxkiller (3): Kublai Khan (4004) --> Myloninja13 (4214) -->

Lalendra

(4220)
Wavemode (2): TehBrawlGuy (3468) -->

Lalendra

(3716) --> _{Ankamius (4600^)}

PenguinPower

(3):

Texcat

(3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) -->

Lalendra

(3678)
Myloninja13 (2):

Dunnstral

(3765) --> Creature (4252)

Scioness Sajj

(3):

Texcat

(3756) --> Creature (4338) -->

Lalendra

(4577*)

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) -->

PenguinPower

(3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) -->

PenguinPower

(2112) -->

Scioness Sajj

(2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) -->

Scioness Sajj

(2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) -->

PenguinPower

(2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) -->

PenguinPower

(2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) -->

PenguinPower

(2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) -->

PenguinPower

(2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) -->

PenguinPower

(2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7):

PenguinPower

(1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)

Lalendra

(7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) -->

PenguinPower

(2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1):

PenguinPower

(1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)

Texcat

(2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1):

Texcat

(2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) -->

PenguinPower

(3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) -->

PenguinPower

(3290)
Wavemode (6):

Texcat

(2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)

PenguinPower

(7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1):

PenguinPower

(2437)

Scioness Sajj

(3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) -->

PenguinPower

(3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) -->

PenguinPower

(2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral

(5):

Osuka

(77) -->

Texcat

(1388) -->

Lalendra

(1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) -->

TheRampage

(909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) -->

TheRampage

(813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) -->

Scioness Sajj

(388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3):

Lalendra

(234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) -->

Lalendra

(279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2):

Texcat

(84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) -->

TheRampage

(743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) -->

Lalendra

(1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)

Lalendra

(3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) -->

TheRampage

(771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)

Texcat

(4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4):

Texcat

(81) -->

TheRampage

(223) -->

Texcat

(604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) -->

Scioness Sajj

(389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) -->

TheRampage

(1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5):

Texcat

(82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)

TheRampage

(3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)

PenguinPower

(1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)

Scioness Sajj

(4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral

(2):

Texcat

(9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)

Texcat

(1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[JarJarDrinks]

VT

[Ankamius]

I'll do that tonight

[Krazy]

Looks like everyone has decided JJD is going down and that I should probably stop defending him because even he thinks it's suspicious.

Guess I should give up then.

LOL FUCK THAT

TIME TO DOUBLE DOWN

JarJarDrinks

Spoiler:

Justice ain't gonna dispense itself.

Abilities

Combat Roll -- Dodge Away from the Game when Scum is at L-1
Deadeye -- Demand claims from multiple people simultaneously
Flashbang -- Blinds himself from Golden Rob sheeping his votes half the game

Characteristic -- Full-blown COWBOY Town Syndrome:

Claiming mason. Legit claiming mason.

I want the partner claim or I'm considering this fake.

Can we gat a vote and/or intent on TBG so they can claim already? 2 days left.

Honestly I'd love it is SS and TBG would just both go ahead and claim at this point.

VT

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Claim

I really cant decide if I'd rather a no lynch or join the wagon w/ all the scummy people in the game on it.

hint

i'm strongly against nolycnhes

I'm strongly against no-lynches too.

But

NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
TehBrawlGuy(4) ~ Kublai Khan(23), Texcat(12), Myloninja13(18), Wavemode(54)
JarJarDrinks() ~
Scioness Sajj(4) ~ Golden Robster(62), JarJarDrinks(66), Hopkirk(28) Tchill13(130),
Texcat (L-1) ~ Krazy(64), Gamma Emerald, Vaxkiller(19) Scioness Sajj(29), TehBrawlGuy(67), Creature(63), Skygazer(10), Ankamius(85),

I cannot join that wagon.

Highlights:

Good point

VOTE: WhemeStar

Summary:
JJD remains town because JJD has been probable town since 2580.
If JJD is scum, he is a very greedy and reckless scum player. While possible for a scum powergamer, I find it unlikely.
JJD plays sub-optimally as town in such a way that it leads to more town information. The push for multiple claims in quick succession is meant to foster the town processing more information more quickly. In principle it is not unlike Creature playing musical chairs.
JJD's reactions today look like town trying to make sense of a confusing game state and not necessarily interested in pushing on the player that has spent the whole game townblocking herself to him.

Additional thoughts (not from quotes above):
JJD has been aggressively wrong in reads for mislynches, like in his case on Dunn. I feel like this is town-indicative.

Golden Robster

Spoiler:

Setup Quotes:

"The True Struggle is for the Superiority of Ideas"

Abilities:

Shadow Shift -- can vanish from the game when scum is put to L-1
Biotic Orb -- Golden Robster can Heal or Destroy her teammates. The question is... who are her teammates?

If scum, these were the scum-tells:

replace out is NAI

claiming VT is scummy

UNVOTE: Wheme

VOTE: whemestar

in my head right now

wheme has a better chance of flipping red since claim is fake

but lynching PP is the better play here on the off-chance it isn't

it just depends on what you believe

Highlights:

VOTE: Whemestar

Summary:
I feel like for GR there is little evidence she is town because she is not town.
I feel like GR has been largely passive, and maintained a strategy this game of trying to townblock herself with JJD.

Other thoughts (not from quotes here):
I encourage you to look not just at Wheme and Texcat, but at how GR vs JJD pursued the case on Dunn.
JJD pushed very hard on Dunn because he believed he was likely to be scum and wanted credit for the lynch.
GR's push was significantly lighter, which seems more like someone interested in looking good than in someone pursuing a lead. GR on Dunn was scum posturing while setting up a mislynch.

Annotated Associations with Texcat

Spoiler:

But what about Myloninja? He doesn't get a tr?

Probably just a passing comment and not her full reads; texcat, why are you voting osuka?

Why are you voting Osuka? I had an explanation in my vote post.

A defensive question, but no pushback.

ausuka outing as IC makes it super clear that there could be other power roles in the hood which makes them nk worthy from scum pov

why lynch them at our own cost?

What makes you think scum will kill in the hood? They certainly wouldn't want to if there is scum in the hood, because it would narrow the pool and expose the scum. Even if there is no scum in the hood, the paranoia about it distracts town enough that I would never kill there as scum.

The risk of outing prs outside the hood, is substantial. Ausuka and I are pretty determined about wave.

I agree with Performer here. There

might

be PRs in the hood. But there are positively PRs outside the hood. We've already outed a claim (fake or not, at L-11) from Vax. Do we want to continue down that path?

ArcAngel9, Andriod18, Myloninja13

Hey guys. The above 3 players each have < 15 posts total and if u ISO them, there is zero content in those few post.


And guess how many people are voting for them? Not a single one. Can we stop telling scum that if they want to win all they have to do is lurk?


I recomend everyone pick one.


VOTE: Andriod18

scummiest of the 3 IMO

I agree with lynching/pressuring lurkers. Wavemode was on that list before the wagon on him. He's only started posting in the last couple of days. I disagree that we have time to start a new wagon on another lurker. But btw out of that group, ArcAngel9 would be my vote. She came in, dropped a vote on Performer, and left without saying anything. But it makes me more confident that out of the Wave v Performer wagons, Wave is the better one.

This is a surprisingly fluffy post for texcat who did not do a lot of fluff, and it is a good sign I think that there is scum between GR and JJD. With GR there is nightkill speculation, which is a great way to say nothing in a large normal. You know, this is a little thing, but texcat also goes "you" to GR, but talks about performer to the crowd. Then the JJD response is all "I agree" or "I disagree." Not "you're right" or "you're wrong." It's kinda like texcat feels just a bit chattier/cool with GR.

JarJar, Your reads list omitted Golden Robster, Hopkirk, Gamma, and Frozen Angel. Why did you omit those 4?

A list of FOUR. NO ONE DOES A LIST OF FOUR. LOOK AT IT. I mean I know it's the names omitted, but this post bothers me. I feel like the order of names was crafted to maximize the ability of this post to say nothing.

Thanks.

This is actually one of the posts that made me most confident in Texcat scum. This reaction seems fake, and it is at JJD. I feel like JJD is trying to softpush JJD and then agree with his reasoning. The question is, does Texcat do that to buddy, or to give herself permission to sheep her scumbuddy? Thinking about it postflip and post-tchill claim I've sort of reconsidered. Earlier this game I thought texcat was trying to kinda buddy JJD. But it also seems like texcat can't remember her stance toward JJD. Still, on the whole, I'd say you see this kind of interaction more often from Scum+Town rather than from Scum+Scum.

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

Ugh. So why not vote JarJar?

Considering texcat isn't voting JarJar this is a weird post.

Now that we have the Vax vig situation sorted out, it seems like A50 was the likely scum kill. I went back to look at A50 to see if there were any clues there. He had an early strong scum read on Edo, but I'm not sure it carried over to Gamma. Towards the end of the day, it looked like he wasn't reading because he voted Ausuka after the IC announcement. He voted Android, and he was pushing people to vote either Performer or Android, but at the very end of day he started thinking that they were both town and that scum had manipulated us into 2 town wagons. Ugh. It still looks like a vig kill.

it's not a vig kill

what do you think of a50 kill after reading his ISO?

can you talk to me about why you think scum would nk a50?

I thought I just did. Am I being that unclear? The simplest explanation for the kill is that scum did it. That's why I said he "was the likely scum kill". As for why, I didn't see any apparent reason (though I am always bad at picking out breadcrumbs), hence it still looked like a vig kill to me.

What do you think???

"What do you think???" to GR... why does Texcat use three quotation marks here. She doesn't do that anywhere else. It feels like she wants to play up her questioning of GR while giving her no pushback whatsoever.

Just because Vax escaped the lynch once by claiming vig, does not mean this isn't scum.

he retracted and had some lines that genuinly felt like it came from town

do you think vax is a super capable scum player?

Vax? I don't know how capable he is. I do know that request for a claim was scummy, whatever his few lines were that you thought were town.

And I'd assume that there'd be at least a scum off the wagon and another near the end of it too.

nice I agree

mylon gets a pass d3

seriously? off of such a vanilla copypasta response? no thanks

I mean I agree with the reasoning so what's the problem?

giving a free pass to mylo because I don't SR him

do you SR mylo?

You mean that was not sarcasm? Some scum were on the wagon, and some scum were off the wagon. It's hard to disagree with that, but you give him a pass? You don't scum read him. Does that mean you're town reading him?

expected you to have obvtowned already

he obvtowned when he fakeclaimed vig.

This is sarcasm, right?

In the response to JJD, it feels like she is trying to discourage a town player who has townread a potential mislynch target. In the response to GR, it feels like she wants to ask questions without doing anything else. What are your townreads, what are your scumreads. Very neutral questions that indicate nothing about how texcat feels about GR.

Summary Comments:
There is way too much content here considering how little content there is from texcat overall. I feel like it is unlikely so much of texcat's iso would be directed exclusively at two of her scumbuddies. This is why I think it's important to get today's lynch correctly. I think it is unlikely both are scum, even if it is possible.

Compare the amount of interaction here to that with KK. (Who I'm starting to warm on the idea of being a buddy).

Annotated Associations with Whemestar

Spoiler:

Lol @ golden

creature aint never gettin lynched

VOTE: jar jar

Wheme seems to think Jar Jar is a good push but GR isn't. Does Wheme push a scumbuddy on day 2 with no red flips? I don't really think so personally.

ANSWER MINE FIRST

yes

if you really wanted to actually know you could of just checked my game history instead of being sarcastic

now answer my questions

Scum creature - never posts

Town creature - posts

Again, both Texcat and Whemestar answer read questions for GR with no other pushback. It's responses without meaningful interaction or pushing. Fluff.

There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today

Sure there is. If he's scum, we force one of his buddies to commit to a mason claim today. They may be more hesitant to do it today because if one of them gets lynched/vigged/tracked/etc... then it leads right to the other player.

As we get closer to lylo, a scum buddy would be more likely to fakeclaim knowing that they only need 1 or 2 mislynches to win the game.

Forcing people to commit early means they are more likely to get caught. The more time that goes by, the easier it is for them to tell a lie to fit their narrative.

if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away

Terrible logic. I'm tired of explaining basic mafia principles to people.

The town is on a clock in mafia. They only have X amount of mislynches before they lose. Scum just needs to stall long enough to run out that clock. Everytime town mislynches they move closer to that clock running out.

So who cares is we "eventually" will figure it out? Scum doesnt need all their members to survive to endgame in order to win.


THERE IS ZERO BENEFIT TO NOT FORCING THE MASON CLAIM TODAY.

Holy this is obj town

I can see why people would take this as a scumbuddy backing off, but to me it seems more like a scum that has decided his mislynch target is too much work.

Ok so I’m caught up from my last catch up but my last catchup wasn’t fully caught up

Should I read those pages cause apparently everyone unvoted golden rob in those pages

if you're not invested into this game why did you join in the first place?

seem to have feelings about wagon on you except calling it garbo

Mod asked me to

Kinda more fluff post. Notice for everyone defending him it's "town town town" and shit like that, like he's worried he's going down and he wants to pollute the waters.

wheme has posted on site within the last half hour.

Lol

This does not read to me like S+S.

Omg he still hasn't claimed. Just hammer.

I’ve already gave my reasons

Why are you so in a rush

This also doesn't read like S+S.

JarJar is prob scum

Notice how much SHIT Wheme says about JJD one way or the other, while really not commenting on Rob at all at this point. Just a few fluff posts earlier. Like he doesn't know how to interact with that slot.

Townreads - Creature, Dunn, golden robster, scioness sajj, Kublai (?)
Kublai weakest one because I’m not sure why I townreads him he just pings me that way

Scumreads- tehbrawlgiy, gamma, PP, lalendra

This post also lowkey points to KK being scum, but why the fuck is GR town if the wagon on him is garbo? Why no pushback?

Summary Comments:
Wheme has far too many interactions with JJD for JJD to be a likely scumbuddy. The interactions generally feel like SvT.

Wheme has fluff posts with GR and incoherent reactions to GR. Feels more like S+S to me.

Overall Summary:

Based on texcat iso, I find it most likely that there is only one scum between GR + JJD.
Based on isos of Texcat, Wheme, JJD, and GR, I feel like there is a lot more evidence that GR is scum than JJD.
I feel like JJD looks like town based on his iso.
Therefore I feel like GR is the best lynch for today.
Thank you for your time.

[Tchill13]

I'll do whatever ank, flavor and wave decide upon.

[Tchill13]

Hopkirk not flavor.

[Creature]

VOTE: Golden Robster

[Ankamius]

not sure why you "have trouble explaining thoughts" ank.

This stuff is great.

Because I've noticed most people need to be told and tend to tell their cases

I show and prefer to be shown and in general my reads are explainable in general terms a lot more than in specifics since I rarely use specific wordings as a way of reading people

That isn't convincing to a lot of people on the site

[Ankamius]

Speaking of which

If anyone wants to make cases at me, give me a list of quotes and it'll probably get your point across to me better

[Vaxkiller]

Kublai Khans pushes have been awful and completely unrelated to this game. IS that enough of a a case?

[Ankamius]

Quote some at me

[Tchill13]

Kublai Khans pushes have been awful and completely unrelated to this game. IS that enough of a a case?

Only reason I'm pushing him is because scum had to bus. Obviously not a good reason but I figured I'd explain

[Golden Robster]

How have I been passive and why does townblocking with JJD make me scum?

phone posting right now since no access to com

[Golden Robster]

if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after

I skimmed through Krazy argument and will respond when I have computer access

[Vaxkiller]

Quote some at me

Creature, TBG, myself. Hes been playing his own game, and it doesnt appear to be town.

[JarJarDrinks]

if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after

So why areu voting for me then? Shouldn't you be more suspicious of the people that were pushing Tex?

After all, why would scum hard-defend and face the heat the next day?

[Gamma Emerald]

go w this VOTE: Vaxkiller

Really dislike his last posts. Like he's trying to tell me to not join his wagon or else he's gonna join mine.

why jump off GR?

[TehBrawlGuy]

if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after

So why areu voting for me then? Shouldn't you be more suspicious of the people that were pushing Tex?

After all, why would scum hard-defend and face the heat the next day?

I find it really hard to believe that town!you makes this argument after pushing both Dunn and I for our roles in the Wheme lynch. It's just too blatantly hypocritical. I don't buy it. Scum!you doesn't care about hypocrisy and is willing to throw whatever at the wall hoping for something to stick.

I also find it hard to believe that town!you spends most of his day today defending himself instead of attempting to make a solid push on someone else. Your argument is that you're kind of out of it, but you weren't disengaged after Lala ML, and you weren't disengaged after Dunn ML either. We finally hit Scum again and only then you're meh on the gamestate?

[Gamma Emerald]

if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after

So why areu voting for me then? Shouldn't you be more suspicious of the people that were pushing Tex?

After all, why would scum hard-defend and face the heat the next day?

I find it really hard to believe that town!you makes this argument after pushing both Dunn and I for our roles in the Wheme lynch. It's just too blatantly hypocritical. I don't buy it. Scum!you doesn't care about hypocrisy and is willing to throw whatever at the wall hoping for something to stick.

I also find it hard to believe that town!you spends most of his day today defending himself instead of attempting to make a solid push on someone else. Your argument is that you're kind of out of it, but you weren't disengaged after Lala ML, and you weren't disengaged after Dunn ML either. We finally hit Scum again and only then you're meh on the gamestate?

Yeah that does look pretty shifty tbh

[Tchill13]

I'm a fan of TBG pointing out the hypocrisy.

[Krazy]

How have I been passive and why does townblocking with JJD make me scum?

phone posting right now since no access to com

Good questions. But if you are town then there were 0 scum off the wagon which sounds like bs to me.

Why wouldn't you hard defend? You yourself explained how you were in a position of power. In any case "why would scum hard defend" is wifom. What makes no sense is why you spent half the dayphase questioning and throwing shade at texcat but then suddenly hard defended. I think the hard defense on its own is NAI but the incoherence of your position on tex is scummy. I also think it was weird that for as hard as your defense was you never said tex was town. Like you look at tbg or ank on dunn and theyre like dont lynch this its town. So your hard defense wasnt a hard defense even. It was scummy misdirection and inconsistent with your positions this game.

[JarJarDrinks]

if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after

So why areu voting for me then? Shouldn't you be more suspicious of the people that were pushing Tex?

After all, why would scum hard-defend and face the heat the next day?

I find it really hard to believe that town!you makes this argument after pushing both Dunn and I for our roles in the Wheme lynch. It's just too blatantly hypocritical. I don't buy it. Scum!you doesn't care about hypocrisy and is willing to throw whatever at the wall hoping for something to stick.

huh no that isn't my argument. not all. I completely agree and was pointing out the hypocrisy myself.

The words you bolded aren't mine. I was quoting GR and showing that he's voting for me even though he's saying that he should be townread for the same reason.

[TehBrawlGuy]

if I was scum I would of bussed texcat, not hard defended and face the heat the day after

So why areu voting for me then? Shouldn't you be more suspicious of the people that were pushing Tex?

After all, why would scum hard-defend and face the heat the next day?

I find it really hard to believe that town!you makes this argument after pushing both Dunn and I for our roles in the Wheme lynch. It's just too blatantly hypocritical. I don't buy it. Scum!you doesn't care about hypocrisy and is willing to throw whatever at the wall hoping for something to stick.

huh no that isn't my argument. not all. I completely agree and was pointing out the hypocrisy myself.

The words you bolded aren't mine. I was quoting GR and showing that he's voting for me even though he's saying that he should be townread for the same reason.

Oh, I see, mb.

The second part of my post still stands, though.

[JarJarDrinks]

The second part of my post still stands, though.

About throwing shit against the wall? Yeah I guess I'm fine w/ whatever ends up getting someone else* lynched at this point since there's a chance they could be scum and there's a zero percent chance that I am.

*non-confirmed role obv