micro 816-II: pokemon go (open game) (gambe over)

[stungun0404]

OK, here's why we're lynching profii--why he is scum. read this nutshell thoroughly, you won't regret it. i will focus primarily on things about aronis, even though there would be a handful more of scummy things in profii's iso that would be clearly scummy if you knew MY alignment for certain.



- profii was the first to throw out comments about scum teams--which can clearly be interpreted as a distraction attraction. 57 he says he would lol if stungun and aronis are the scum team.

Hey Aronis, any reads?

okay! I'm going to give you reads:

I think lurking is all Nico ever does so we're just gonna wait for the inevitable replacement- In the meantime I'm not interested in lynching them since the replacement should give us better content to go on
Girl- she's a good player so since she hasn't been super obvtown already she's probably scum
profii - you don't get more obvious scum than this, save for maybe a cop guilty
Kokichi- I feel like he's probably town. I like his posts
northsidegal- town for sure
stungun- tough read but he can go into the town category for now
creature- probably town. I liked one of his posts

why did you start a readlist with “this player will just replace out” - that just comes over as filler

Look at how I played D1 in the other game. I actually got scumread at some point for being too passive...

Why are you changing it up

this entire exchange is scummy. he asks a filler type of question in "why are you changing up your meta?" --> why does he possibly care if he later says TO ME meta is stupid in 1358? YET he's attacking Aronis's readslist as having filler in it.


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182 from Profii: includes the line about aronis and shoshin --> "But on the other hand, GIF said that’s a thing for Shoshin so my other theory is that Aronis is piggybacking on the Shoshin content - the read list was pretty dire - putting a non active as the main content is a cop out and also reading me as sure fire scum would be fine if I’d done something scummy, but I feel like Aronis is carefully manufacturing that read in line with Shoshin to try and create a bit of momentum perhaps"
He is doubtcasting aronis, but he refuses to vote Aronis until he can put him at L-2 later on. In the meantime, he lingered on my wagon, which went to L-2 as well early on.

Why are you changing it up

To improve. How is this relevant to my alignment?

If passive!you is town and gets scum read

Then you have said (and also not disputed) you’ve changed - a potential reason could be to avoid scum reads

More filler from Profii. so why did he attack aronis about filler?

Aronis is coming over like a scums dream rn actually

Someone they can sit back and let the town mislynch with no intervention

he knows aronis is town? this completely implies that. plus, how would he know this unless he is scum?

Aronis declaring themselves not scum hunting is a big alarm bell

another post doubtcasting aronis. STILL no vote there.


from 279: from profii,

I actually like that page topping post from Shoshin there - It’s easy for scum to just throw out whatever narrative they want to try and get people to believe but you’ve gone meta diving to go and find the “right” narrative irrespective of what you find

Have the biggest town badge so far

so shoshin meta'ing you and thinking you are possibly scummy over it is NOT stupid, but according to 1358 after i provide meta about myself, you discount it completely as "meta being stupid." this reads to me like you were trying to defuse shoshin.

VOTE: aronis
L-2

first vote of aronis, right after giving an analysis that heavily favored majority of players being scum.

285 from aronis argues: "wow you can tell profii just got caught
gotta go back and modify that readslist real quick before anyone else realizes she/he is scum"

Profii's response in 286?

How is that readlist modified at all

another filler question! trying to distract aronis from him being caught? i think so!

NSG is town

At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }

Probably Aronis


Hard stance there for you.

i dissected this post in the night phase. this is scummy because a). SCUM only need 3 mislynches provided all but 1 nk goes through and they survive (in other words, all goes according to plan), so this is a stance scum can afford to take. and also he knows nsg is town this early on in the game? but has went back on that stance today by voting her, and called everything from her NAI last day phase when he was a lynchwagon iirc.



profii follows nsg onto kokichi wagon in 388: favoring wagons once again.

@profii, where do you stand on a kokichi lynch? seems more plausible than gif today, as nsg and i are already on it.

Don’t really see it

In your Aronis case you mention Aronis goes against the grain and scum reads GIF - if you look back at GIF there is also a scum read on Aronis - both early in the game

However. Me and you scum read gif and it’s salty salty - but no salt between those 2 - I think, distancing position for later

See it?

completely tries to distract me into voting aronis because of supposed distancing attempts with NO flips. what is town about this?

The last few pages have me a bit confused tbh

Do you think Stun vs GIF will be TvT or SvT or even SvS

If TVS, which is which

he asks these questions of aronis, but has answered nothing of the sort himself. filler filler.

I did a meta dive on Stun and the only thing that struck out to me was that he has never previously been _this_ concerned about who was voting him

But then he self voted

OH, so you are allowed to meta me to discredit me WITHOUT it being stupid, but apparently my meta'ing as of your 1361 when you were voting me iirc, once again "WAS STUPID". YOU use it to discredit me, BUT I cannot use it to help CLEAR MYSELF. scum would pounce on that shit all day, just like that!

Point being because we are in a 1v1 which I suspect you will continue tomorrow- it would be nice if Aronis can flip scum so JK can cop me or you and we can rebuild some trust

Otherwise scum exploit it massively - guarantee you and me alive tomorrow for this very rewson

if i’m possibly the jk, why am i guaranteed to be alive tomorrow?

you can’t guarantee that i will be alive

you are making excuses for us both to be alive tomorrow before tomorrow, this does not have good looks

Sure there is a unlikely possibility that

-you are JK
-you hit the scum kill person or scum target

It’s more likely that scum go “profii vs Stun is lol let’s just kill an inactive”

FINALLY, there is zero town incentive to ever letting scum know you think it is unlikely i am JK if you are town on D1. this is a pro-scum post if you are town, and is absolutely worth lynching, because i would never say something like this about a fellow townplayer who may or might not be the only power role in the game. AND YET, you attacked GIF for CLAIMING vanilla without proper reason in 592 after YOU vote GIF for claiming vanilla because it's "anti-town to reveal." your speculation could be revealing to scum here if you genuinely believe it and are town and i happen not to be the jk, so what is town about this contradiction?

[stungun0404]

i completely reset all reads in my head last night phase before rereading the thread specifically for instances where aronis was doubtcasted, and through 25 pages or so clearly profii was the scummiest in that regard. this is not no coincidence. he wanted that mislynch wagon

[stungun0404]

I have him as town, so not at this point in time.

@nico, can you take another look at profii knowing Aronis was town now? he’s blatant scum from that perspective if you read his iso IMO.





if profii is actually town this game, then i’ll be brutally honest and say he has been playing a bad game fmpov. i can’t see him being this incompetent at finding town when he has a really good track record as far as wins go for either alignment, and further this incompetent in making contradictions left and right that are uber-scummy. someone might as well hold up a neon sign and say:”this is not how to town”. which can only lead me to interpret him as scum.

there is nothing towny about his iso in my eyes. nothing.

VOTE: profii

Sheeping Shoshin with the caveat that I think there's more chance of her misreading a player who plays like aronis than one who plays like profii and if they're both scum then who cares.

Lol there it is


Your initial vote was Aronis sure, get the distance in early whilst town doesn’t know what’s going on - but later on, I keep seeing “scum could be x, y or Aronis” but no more said on Aronis


Wonder why that might be

pushing that angle of distancing to help doubtcast the player he wants lynched—which would be either of aronis or gif really.

[stungun0404]

I’ve only played one game with creature & I was scum so I didn’t try to read him

Everyone is always just like omg he replaces out as scum

So I’m just paranoiad for now because he kinda feels towny like Stefan felt towny in that newbie game that we played (GIF) and I got that wrong

So Im looking elsewhere for now

Can we flip Aronis

He’s got 3 votes then disappeared

He’s pressured scum and has no idea how to deal with it

Then JK GIF -

I’m 99% sure Aronis will flip scum

, so if we can “cop” GIF and then trust him going forward, he becomes a lot more useful

where did this sudden assurance come from?

Like given the wagon I kinda wanna lynch Stun if it was me. He seems to be getting some firm town reads but I’d question that - as time goes on it seems to be a more and more concerning slot

you had no firm town stances 954 posts in. i had two. which is scummier, my play or yours?

I’ll humour you stun - let’s say Aronis flips town and by some magic I was scum, who are you looking at for my partner?

merely look at the intent of literally every question profii has made. they have been distraction attempts. there is no protown focus to a single question i can remember off my memory he asked

[Kokichi Oma]

Nico feels town too

now I know you're just memeing

I lol'd

[Kokichi Oma]

Whilst I am doubtful over your claims of great reads, I’ll happily lynch creature. I’m pretty sure NSG / Creature is TvS and I’m going to do what RC said he did i a recent newbie game with me

Go against my gut to vote with the town direction as it’s the “right” way to play

However if you are all right and I’m wrong -
A) great, I think we get a scum flip out of Creature if NSG!town
B) a creature scum flip should tell you I’m not the scum partner - given the immediate pressure would I immeadiately bus given I can be JK guiltied tonight if that all happens?

So

VOTE: Creature


Bed time ta ta zzzzzz

How did you go from he is JK to he is scum

[stungun0404]

vote profii if you want a scum lynch. i will stop tunneling aggressively now, but the entire case is scattered throughout my iso. several points i made last day phase regarding profii are still relevant today. tune me out if you wish, but town is just gonna probably get another mislynch going in his place if you do.

[Creature]

We wait nsg to do something consistent?

One single burst of activity isn't enough.

[Creature]

Interrogation mark wasn't supposed to be there I guess.

[MariaR]

RC has a 100% read rate on Nsg so if you tr me you shouldn't be voting her he's never got a read on her incorrect.

If I don't townread you, should I lynch you over nsg then?

I suppose that'd be the correct line of action.

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:
Let me think a little

[MariaR]

@pro why is your conclusion that creature is bullying the jk and not the jk itself~RC

[profii]

In answer to Koki 1455 and Maria/RC 1461

I took 1400 in this game as a breadcrumb from Creature that he JK’d NSG and given her total lack of activity then she could have tried to sneak the scum kill but got caught

That’s what I truly believe - and still do - my #1 preference is lynch NSG rn

However if you go on my wiki - go to the “prey” newbie game and ISO RC - he says he was scum reading Stefan but didn’t push him as town players (inc me) thought he was town so he went with the town trajectory over his own reads

Imo if Creature isn’t the JK, he is baiting the JK - so given my belief that it’s scum!NSG but 2 people are saying no she is 100% lock town, at least 1 can’t be her scum partner (or creatures)

So I’m following RCs lesson on “good play” and putting town ahead of myself and not lynching NSG

I’m still lynching Creature because NSG Creature is likely TvS so I want t to prove a point

[northsidegal]

dear stungun: i have entirely stopped reading your posts.

also, creature; the irony of the way you're pushing me right now just occurred to me. don't you think it's a little funny?

[northsidegal]

i will admit i have very little to add to the game right now (for the record, something i've never done as scum; never as scum have i acknowledged my meta or tried the self-aware route, only tried to appear towny)

i think it's strange that profii went from earlier having a townread on me to not only assuming that creature's push on me is a jk crumb but also assuming that that would be scum me making the kill rather than town me being protected (although in all fairness, i probably wouldn't kill myself if i were scum)

anyways, i think odds are that nobody in town is actually correct on who scum is right now

[northsidegal]

i still think kokichi is scum and my powers of articulation aren't nearly what they used to be. (am i officially a washed-up mafia player? it feels like it.)

on an individual level i think all of his posts from today are pretty scum-indicative: in both what's there and what isn't there (namely any reads or true content)

Spoiler:

JK should claim if they jailed someone imo

But if maf kills jk tonight we get no inno or guilty

Nico feels town too

now I know you're just memeing

I lol'd

Whilst I am doubtful over your claims of great reads, I’ll happily lynch creature. I’m pretty sure NSG / Creature is TvS and I’m going to do what RC said he did i a recent newbie game with me

Go against my gut to vote with the town direction as it’s the “right” way to play

However if you are all right and I’m wrong -
A) great, I think we get a scum flip out of Creature if NSG!town
B) a creature scum flip should tell you I’m not the scum partner - given the immediate pressure would I immeadiately bus given I can be JK guiltied tonight if that all happens?

So

VOTE: Creature


Bed time ta ta zzzzzz

How did you go from he is JK to he is scum

[northsidegal]

stungun: if you have something important to say then i think you should say it in a way that makes people want to or at least be likely to read it.

[NicoRobin]

@stungun Considering what Creature said, I believe he is a JK with a guilty on nsg, so I am going there for now.

[northsidegal]

creature, for the sake of my sanity, for the moment i'm going to continue on as if you can be sorted the same way you could a few months ago. whether or not that's true, i'm not sure.

accept for a moment that i'm not scum - who

is

scum? why do you townread kokichi?

[northsidegal]

jailkeepers can't have guilties.

hey, it's product placement mafia all over again. that's a wonderful memory right there. i love how it's happening again.

[NicoRobin]

If he jailed you, then it's effectively a guilty, since no one was killed. At least that's how I see it.

[northsidegal]

what
if
he
didn't
jail
me

what
if
scum
targeted
me
for
the
kill

[northsidegal]

if you want to be lazy and not give much thought to your vote you can do that

you just shouldn't have any pretenses as to that not being what you're doing

[northsidegal]

(sorry, that was rude.)

[NicoRobin]

He implied he did jail you. If you could prove that he didn't and that scum tried to kill you, then I may look at other options, but for now, I am comfortable in keeping my vote where it is.