NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[the worst]

@Rask bulletproof is the modifier lmao

[the worst]

andddddddd I won't be explaining the full details of the BP unless like...... probably Ausuka and brass want to know I think

[Raskolnikov]

My info is that all of the roles that aren't vanilla, have something to do with the new normal rules (eg Hider, specific night, fruit vendor, activated were all whitelisted

BP NOT MENTIONED

brassherald bp is different because the new part of it mentioned was ACTIVATED

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Ausuka - Confirmed Fruit Vendor - Claimed Loyal
brassherald - Claimed BP (Activated)
the worst - Claimed BP Vig
Jingle - Claimed Visitor
Chickadee - Claimed Vengeful
Raskolnikov - Loud Doc (Because Duh.)
Irrelephant11 - VT? Tracker?
Nosferatu - Psychologist

[the worst]

My info is that all of the roles that aren't vanilla, have something to do with the new normal rules (eg Hider, specific night, fruit vendor, activated were all whitelisted

BP NOT MENTIONED

brassherald bp is different because the new part of it mentioned was ACTIVATED

Rasky
look me in my black, beady soulless eye
I'm not ad lib fake claiming a role that the informed townie has already spewed as fake

I also don't want to die while I can still fuck scum's day up so I don't intend to fullclaim the details of the bp

I'll suck it up and just do it if my other townreads want it but I don't think you're going the extra level deeper yet and so I won't reactively redact my preference right now

[Raskolnikov]

Out of curiosity why would you think it would be a good idea to out who you thought a possible protective was?

[the worst]

I want the loud mod claim on the table because if there's actually a second scumteam they're probably not town

FTR I've never been 100% confident they're a protective because I've had extra information about the lack of NKs

[Raskolnikov]

there is no second scumteam if you really are vig If theres a second scumteam its literally you as their killer

[the worst]

says who

[Raskolnikov]

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUgh why did I lynch HWS he has even towny

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Ausuka - Confirmed Fruit Vendor - Claimed Loyal
brassherald - Claimed BP (Activated)
the worst - Claimed BP Vig
Jingle - Claimed Visitor
Chickadee - Claimed Vengeful
Raskolnikov - Loud Doc (Because Duh.)
Irrelephant11 - VT? Tracker?
Nosferatu - Psychologist

13. Flubbernugget - Vanilla Townie (Lynched Day One)
6. dramonic - Mafia Prime-Number-Night Jailkeeper (Killed Night One)
11. xyzzy - Town Hider (Lynched Day Two)
1. Almost50 - Vanilla Townie (Killed Night Two)
17. Profii - Mafia Goon (Lynched Day Three)
2. Kokichi Oma - Mafia Disloyal Fruit Vendor (Killed Night Three)
7. Gamma Emerald - Town Detective (Killed Night Three)

So, setup wise we have:

VT x 3
Loud Doctor
Hider
Informed Town
Detective
Psychologist
Loyal Fruit Vendor
Visitor
Vengeful
Activated BP

Prime Night JK
Disloyal FV
Ninja
Goon

SK

So... Slightly more than a cop spread among three slots.

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Out of curiosity why would you think it would be a good idea to out who you thought a possible protective was?

Either it doesn't matter at this point or you were going to get shot anyway. I've been doing all I could to throw doc suspicion elsewhere, but there's literally no point anymore.

BTW, you made yourself obvious when you said HWS had no doc equity.

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Not enough town power for it to be 5v12, btw.

[the worst]

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUgh why did I lynch HWS he has even towny

I'm still a bit :/// about this

[the worst]

Prime Night JK
Disloyal FV
Ninja
Goon

Prime night JK hits ~ every second night
Disloyal FV softfirms town and adds confusion and MoI accidentally played it as a negative utility

town has an ungated vig and a soft clearerer

I'm actually concerned this feels too townsided

[the worst]

Ohhhhh your game solve just involves profiling me

NICE GUYS just because I have a KNIFE I must be a FILTHY SERIAL KILLR

[the worst]

this oppression is awful. I knew I should've shot Rask

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Prime Night JK
Disloyal FV
Ninja
Goon

Prime night JK hits ~ every second night
Disloyal FV softfirms town and adds confusion and MoI accidentally played it as a negative utility

town has an ungated vig and a soft clearerer

I'm actually concerned this feels too townsided

Disloyal FV confirms nobody, and is a great fakeclaim.

The JK works Night 2, 3, 5 and 7. 2 and 3 are THE most important in this setup.

Detective and Psychologist add up to almost a cop.

Loyal FV is even less utility. Ninja is a cue to the scumteam for the detective to not be able to hit most of their players while the ninja lives. Psychologist, similarly, doesn't give innos but does fake guilty the venge. Honestly, the only thing that's even eyebrow raise worthy is the number of ways to stop nightkills.

Informed, Visitor, and Hider are all very limited utility.

BP is mitigated by the activated modifier.

There's just not enough there for it to be 5v12. Especially when 4v14 is the more likely balancewise for an 18p.

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Actually, no killing and arguing you got interfered with when the PoE became clear was SK you's out.

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Yeah, I literally can't put together a second scumteam that makes sense without TW in it. If it's a 3 person, we're gonna need to start somewhere. If it's a 4 person and Pine hasn't ended this, we might as well just get it over with.

VOTE: TW

[the worst]

and yet you can't explain a team WITH me in it you're just tinfoil PoEing. when it's pretty obvious Nos is just the last scum and I'm ridiculously obviously town by play.

total farce.

[Jingle]

A second scumteam of >3 people with you in it has already won the game.

A second scumteam of 3 or less people without you in it has not been proposed, and I don't see a likely one.

5v12 doesn't make sense.

Nothing personal, duckbuddy, but if it looks like a Serial Killer and it quacks like a Serial Killer, it's probably a duck.

[Pine]

It outright can’t be 4v4v9, btw. We’d be endgames rn.

I thought of this, but read the role pms on page 1

That... Doesn't change anything.

There are 8 people alive. If there are 4 scum alive of the same faction, they cannot be lynched at this point and we've already lost. 10v4v3 is maybe possible, but not likely.

Loud modifier is almost certainly the doc who doesn't need to out at the moment.

To satisfy paranoia:

@mod: if there were two mafia teams would they be differentiated in their flips? Either through color or Mafia A/Mafia B or something?

While I do not answer hypotheticals, I do think you'll find the answer in the Normal rules.

[the worst]

I can't get over the similarities between this situation and the witch trial in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. where is my radiant King Arthur to swoop in and ignore the injustice.... >:

for real though on what planet do you think I'm in a second 3 person scumteam with like..... anyone?

[Jingle]

Pfffft. Only nerds read rules.

Also, hypothetically speaking, how was your day?