NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Inferno390]

This was a great game.

[Raskolnikov]

Oh okay 1 save. I would've been sad if 0.

[Ausuka]

How are you not a high-info flip? When you flip Loyal FV, everyone you've vended to gets hardcleared. It also serves as a hard counter to MoI's claim (which is likely why he's apathetic - he got screwed by claim.)

The implication was that people should townread me already and therefore already have all of that information

[Pine]

gg though! I was going to lolclaim fruit today and would've been sort of locktown for a bit RIP

Frankly, I think that would have been a game-winning move for you, and worth a Scummy nomination. Particularly if you followed it up with killing tw the following night. Pity tw thought you were Town, and therefore safe to kill.

I said so in the dead thread, I'll say so here: I think all three factions played a good game, and some very solid performances got defeated by others' competence.

Shoutout to the worst, who is frankly the Town MVP. He joked about conceding, and I was seriously considering calling it a joint win if he had.

[Skygazer]

We (mostly me) thought he could be doc due to the claim shenanigans and the way HitAlt/Gamma hadn't commented on him much

[Skygazer]

And then I wifom'd myself into thinking there wasn't a doc because a tracker/watcher hadn't been revealed yet and there was no proof of a doc based on our targets so I went for the Ausuka kill finally whoops

[Ausuka]

Oh okay that makes sense. to be 100% honest I think as scum I would've killed one of the claimed invest roles because doc can only protect one of them but then again I'm bad so...

[Pine]

I'm actually seriously considering nominating the worst for a "Best Third Party" Scummy despite the wide margin of the Town win here. In this game, I think it's a solid case of the Serial Killer being too accurate for their own good.

Anyone else have thoughts on that?

[Raskolnikov]

After getting fruit I thought I'd play very lurky so no one killed me, but it backfired because I legitimately got disengaged from the game and super lazy complacent and badly lynching

[Ausuka]

I might be wrong but on n3 I thought that the scumpool was still too wide for scum to fakeclaim fruit. By n4 we had won regardless- Sky couldn't have won there I think?? Town PRs + SK were probably too strong for such a comeback.

the worst played excellently yeah.

[Pine]

Setup:

17 Players - 12 Town, 4 Mafia, 1 Serial Killer


Vengeful Townie
Detective
Psychologist
Hider
Loyal Fruit Vendor
Loud Doctor
Visitor
Informed Townie: You know that all roles, aside from any VTs, have some element to them which was recently white-listed.
2-shot Activated Bulletproof Townie
3 VTs


Mafia Prime-Number-Night Jailkeeper (1 is not a prime number. 2, 3, 5, 7 are)
Mafia Disloyal Fruit Vendor
Mafia Ninja
Mafia Goon

1-shot BP Multitasking 2-shot Tracker Serial Killer

Spoiler: Role PMs

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Vengeful Townie

. You have no special powers until and unless you are lynched. At that time, the game will enter twilight, and you will have 24 hours to submit a name to me by PM. That player will be killed.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Detective

. Each night, you may submit a name to me for investigation. If they have attempted to kill someone this game, successful or not, you will be informed of this fact. Resolves after kills.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Psychologist

. Each night, you may submit a name to me for investigation to determine if they are capable of killing anyone. If they have already killed someone or attempted to kill someone, this will return a negative result. Resolves after kills.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Hider

. Each night, you may choose someone to hide behind. While hiding, you are immune to all kills targeted at you. However, should the player you are hiding behind die, you will also die. Please note that this is not the more-common Weak Hider, and as such you do not automatically die if you hide behind non-Town.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Loyal Fruit Vendor

. Each night, you may send me a name. If that player belongs to your faction, they will receive a random piece of fruit. This fruit serves no discernible function.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Loud Doctor

. Each night, you may send me a name. That player will be protected from all night kills that night. If your action resolves, your target will be informed that you visited them, but not what you did.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Visitor

. Each night, you may send me a name. You will visit that player, but your visitation will have no discernible effect.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are an

Informed Townie

. You have no special powers, but know the following:

All roles in this game, aside from Vanilla Townies and/or Mafia Goons, have some element to them which was recently whitelisted for Normal games.

The moderator will not publicly confirm this information. What you do with it is up to you.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town 2-shot Activated Bulletproof Townie

. Each night, you may choose to activate your power. If you do, you will be protected from all night kills targeting you that night. You may use this power twice only.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Mafia Prime-Number-Night Jailkeeper

. On nights identified with a prime number (note: 1 is not a prime number), you may send me a name. That player will be roleblocked and protected from all kills that night. Please note that, per Normal guidelines, you may not execute your power on the same night you execute your factional kill.

You have access to a Private Thread with your faction, found here. Additional information on your factional composition may be found there. You may communicate with your team at any time.

Win Condition: You win if the your team eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Mafia Disloyal Fruit Vendor

. Each night, you may send me a name. If that player does not belong to your faction, they will receive a random piece of fruit. This fruit serves no discernible function. Please note that, per Normal guidelines, you may not execute your power on the same night you execute your factional kill.

You have access to a Private Thread with your faction, found here. Additional information on your factional composition may be found there. You may communicate with your team at any time.

Win Condition: You win if the your team eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Mafia Ninja

. You may execute your team's factional kill, and may not be observed while doing so.

You have access to a Private Thread with your faction, found here. Additional information on your factional composition may be found there. You may communicate with your team at any time.

Win Condition: You win if the your team eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Mafia Goon

. You have no special powers, though you may execute your team's factional kill.

You have access to a Private Thread with your faction, found here. Additional information on your factional composition may be found there. You may communicate with your team at any time.

Win Condition: You win if the your team eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

1-shot Bulletproof Multitasking 2-shot Tracker Serial Killer

. ach night, you may execute a factional kill. Twice per game, you may also send me a name. You will follow that player and learn whom they target, if anyone. As you have the Multitasking modifier, you may still make your factional kill while taking this action. Finally, the first night kill which would resolve upon you this game will be nullified. You will not be informed should this occur.

You have access to a Private Thread for your notes, found here. You may use it at any time.

Win Condition: You win if the your team eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

[Chickadee]

I owed more attention to this game than I gave.

Big games move to fast or me.

It was a good game though.

[Raskolnikov]

Hitalt's detective outing TW d2 was probably most crucial action.

[Pine]

I might be wrong but on n3 I thought that the scumpool was still too wide for scum to fakeclaim fruit. By n4 we had won regardless- Sky couldn't have won there I think?? Town PRs + SK were probably too strong for such a comeback.

the worst played excellently yeah.

In the dead thread I roleplayed a scenario where Skygazer could have darkhorsed a win, even that late. If she'd correctly guessed a fruitvend, her odds would have gone waaaay up.

[Skygazer]

nominate myself for town mvp for nailing two scum on day two

[Ausuka]

She had Nos and HWS as MLs but I'm pretty sure she doesn't live beyond that point? Like I don't think Jingle was EVER getting lynched, Irre possibly but I don't think so.

[Jingle]

Nah, that's an alright choice. I just wanted to play up the "A successful doc protect makes the game unwinnable for scum" angle because them shooting for doc made it possible for them to close the net on themselves.

Also, I was absolutely sure that HWS was doc until Rask's post that 'classical doc tell' made it obvious HWS wasn't doc. At which point I realized rask wasn't really looking for a doc, was the doc, and was also the best scumkill of the potential docs. It's also why I went so hard in on posting reasoning that chasing innos was a bad idea, because it turned out that the doc WAS one of the innos, and that was a problem. Luckily, it didn't bite us in the ass.

[HeWhoSwims]

As sent to pine

Thanks! I loved it. One of the better/more fun games I've played around here. I'll follow it hopefully.

If one of sky/chick is scum and TW is serial killer I'll demand the entire town will buy me drinks

Pay up yall!

But for real I loved this and I loved you all as a playerlist so THANKS FOR ALL EVERYONE!

Also TW you are one of my favourite players here if not #1 but can we please end up on the same faction again for once

[Raskolnikov]

If I have a critique of the setup it's that the informed + the role theme made setup spec too reliable and it made verifying claims themselves too reliable

[Jingle]

I'm actually seriously considering nominating the worst for a "Best Third Party" Scummy despite the wide margin of the Town win here. In this game, I think it's a solid case of the Serial Killer being too accurate for their own good.

I'd second. I mean, without the mechanics backing up him being an SK, I'd have still thought he was a vig at the endgame. Hell, even with the mechanics, there was still a little bit of doubt in my mind.

[Raskolnikov]

but that's maybe just a personal preference

anyways GG

thanks for modding!

[Jingle]

As sent to pine

Thanks! I loved it. One of the better/more fun games I've played around here. I'll follow it hopefully.

If one of sky/chick is scum and TW is serial killer I'll demand the entire town will buy me drinks

Pay up yall!

But for real I loved this and I loved you all as a playerlist so THANKS FOR ALL EVERYONE!

Also TW you are one of my favourite players here if not #1 but can we please end up on the same faction again for once

Aight, but I'm drinking them too.

[Jingle]

That's kinda the point of the scum roles being such good fakeclaims, Rask. They were ALSO town AF. TW was a little screwed, but serial killers usually are, tbf.

[Raskolnikov]

Nah I mean. They had very little flexibility to claim whatever they wanted.

[HeWhoSwims]

I feel JK and FV are both okay fakeclaims

Sky could've claimed vt