SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Ankamius]

We all think pun has a high probablility fo flipping SK so we dont want to take chances there and we are lynchign him today. There is one mroe scum (we are thinking you) and if we lynch Pun today I'm the obvious NK going into tomorrow so that leaves DV, Shoshin, and you.

Which slot started all this paranoia on Punreader being an SK? That's probably your scum right there.

Bonus points if they're also the reason that this slot is currently the highest scum equity slot in everyone's eyes; it's a pretty simple endgame to bring the slot that's having the least impact on the game all the way to 3p LyLo, especially with the suboptimal play of lynching the third party right before that.

This suggests that Ank believes scum would want to lynch Pun, which means Ank probably would want to lynch Pun as scum.

Yet when I called Ank on that, she says that's not true.

Ank's scum.

We can lynch her after Pun.

...What

You understand that I said the scum plan was to lynch Pun and then me, correct?

[Shoshin]

I'm not lynching DV today, so that's not happening.

The lynch is either Ank or Pun.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: DeasVail

[Ankamius]

Hey Pun

What's your opinion on that logic?

[Shoshin]

You understand that I said the scum plan was to lynch Pun and then me, correct?

Is that what you were saying?

[Ankamius]

Yes, my point was that scum were banking on me being a prime lynch target in 3p lylo with Pun and Vax both supporting it, which is why scum would find lynching Pun today attractive.

This logic doesn't apply to me because I don't get that advantage from those two slots flipping... on top of it requiring me being tomorrows lynch

[Shoshin]

Ank's scum.

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 6.2

No Lynch

(1): Punreader

Not Voting

(4): DeasVail, Vaxkiller, Shoshin, Ankamius

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-09-02 20:52:00)

[DeasVail]

DV, why did you townread Espe earlier in the game? And why should I vote that slot over you (please don't say "because I'm town" - give me some actual reasons as to why Espe has been scum based on his behaviors in the game).

I don’t remember what my opinion of Espe was on Day 1. I do know Espe reasonably well and was excited to play with him. I also felt as if I would be able to read him.

I do remember that at the beginning of Day 2, I started off the day pushing Espe as scum (exact reasons I forget but I wasn’t very impressed on review of his Day 1 posts and thought the way he opened day 2 was scummy) and was joined by Fire Assassin. When Fire Assassin revealed a cop guilty, obviously this seemingly confirmed my belief that Espe was scum. Then Fire Assassin revealed that it was actually a cop innocent and so obviously it didn’t make sense to think Espe was scum anymore. I felt in the subsequent days that Espe was likely town regardless of Fire’s alignment because who would do that with a buddy but I’ve since revised that belief given the danger Espe was in and I guess it could make sense as some weird pseudobus idk. I later townread Espe due to the imo sound argument that scum would have tried harder to get a free vig on Dunn and I still think this argument is okay, but my reasons to believe you are town outweigh my reasons to believe Ank is town. I think that much of Espe’s play after the FA situation is difficult to assess but parking a vote on a buddy makes sense, and I think that Ank’s play since replacing in has been pretty aligned with what I’d expect from mafia.

I’m at work right now but can talk in more specific terms later

[Shoshin]

DV, what're your reasons to believe I'm town?

[Vaxkiller]

Can't SK's win with scum?

I'll be voting for pun today. Lynch ank tomorrow.

VOTE: Pun

[Vaxkiller]

Pun if you just claimed 3rd party I would trust you more.

Pun you had your chance weeks ago when I posted this, I can't trust you now.

[Vaxkiller]

I even mentioned it before this too.

[Ankamius]

am I in the twilight zone

[Ankamius]

maybe I'm in an alternate universe where being able to get what I need from only a couple posts somehow makes me scum

or maybe an alternate universe where being able to read the game makes me scum

[Ankamius]

We all think pun has a high probablility fo flipping SK so we dont want to take chances there and we are lynchign him today. There is one mroe scum (we are thinking you) and if we lynch Pun today I'm the obvious NK going into tomorrow so that leaves DV, Shoshin, and you.

Which slot started all this paranoia on Punreader being an SK? That's probably your scum right there.

Bonus points if they're also the reason that this slot is currently the highest scum equity slot in everyone's eyes; it's a pretty simple endgame to bring the slot that's having the least impact on the game all the way to 3p LyLo, especially with the suboptimal play of lynching the third party right before that.

This suggests that Ank believes scum would want to lynch Pun, which means Ank probably would want to lynch Pun as scum.

Yet when I called Ank on that, she says that's not true.

Ank's scum.

We can lynch her after Pun.

maybe Shoshin really is scum and Deas is just derping

but it's probably not going to be a thing I can confirm since Pun has no real reason to ever pop into the thread anymore

[Ankamius]

I don't think you understand how I think if you believe I would be wanting to lynch Pun today

Because in no universe would I be going that route as either alignment

(hint: I know Pun better than anyone else here and there's a very very low chance that slot is scum)

(and even if the slot is SK, lynching it is suboptimal)

[Ankamius]

Vax you need to open your eyes because you're being duped hard

There's no way that Deas' weird shift onto me and Shoshin's opportunistic logic are both town.

I can read Pun better than anyone else here and I can tell you (regardless of alignment, it is never in my interest to lie about this) that Pun is both telling the truth about role and telling the truth about them wanting to town side in this game even with town basically screwing them over.

This isn't a gamestate that's hard to read. It doesn't take much to reach:

1. Scum want to have me be the town lynch to win the game
2. Scum want Punreader to be lynched today so that they can't townside in 3p and just lose them the game anyways
3. Having me in 3p lylo and just about anyone else is a very simple endgame for any scum to win.

Scum probably is just Shoshin, it makes more sense for her to be seemingly unsure about Deas and myself in order to try to stay out of the warpath between our slots than it does Deas jumping on ylmy entrance into the game (which is explainable by not really understanding how I play). You're falling right into the endgame plan that should be abundantly clear right now.

Do a reset and think about what I've said since I've replaced in, and how the others have reacted. I think that's the only shot we have here.

[Shoshin]

lol it's actually funny to see what scum Ank look like...

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Ankamius

This ends the game.

[Shoshin]

Ank's logic:

"The scum would want to lynch Pun, so I'm going to say the scum are the people who have been pushing for Pun's lynch. But if I were scum, I wouldn't want to lynch Pun in this situation."

Ank thinks it's scummy to lynch Pun, so she's intentionally doing the opposite. The scummy part is that when I called her on this, she says that even if she were scum she wouldn't be pushing Pun, which shows that her scumhunting logic comes from a scum perspective rather than a town one.

[Ankamius]

Ank thinks it's scummy to lynch Pun, so she's intentionally doing the opposite.

Lynching Pun is actually very safe for scum to be pushing for since there's no blowback from pushing it

But it's not inherently scummy either since town paranoia is a thing too

the problem is that there's an easy 3p victory with town afterwards that makes pushing Pun today very much a good play for scum

[Ankamius]

The scummy part is that when I called her on this, she says that even if she were scum she wouldn't be pushing Pun, which shows that her scumhunting logic comes from a scum perspective rather than a town one.

The only way Pun doesn't essentially ensure a lynch on me tomorrow is if I defend them today, which is completely irrelevant to my alignment, since... you know,

I will always see their claim as truthful when I'm town.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the gamestate itself, only with my mutual familiarity with them.

[Punreader]

Fair warning: I don't have enough time to post content TODAY, and while I have time tomorrow, I don't have enough time to do what I WANT.

On Saturday, however, what I intend to do is write a towncase and puncase on each of the three players spanning the whole game and including meta; I want everyone to read those and give feedback on them.
It'll just take me some time to write, which I won't have for the next 48 hours.

[Ankamius]

I'll be on the edge of my seat