NY 213 - Game Over!

[Ankamius]

What would you respond with when I say that I have Golden Robster locked as town.

[Ankamius]

although you did point out one thing that actually strongly suggests JarJar is town, so I think that's a success.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Skygazer

A scumflip on this is game over I think

[Krazy]

I would say I'm not surprised and I'm glad you're pushing your own leads. I need you to find the second scum for me. I mean, I don't have a second scum. You're not going to shake my scumread in Rob, but I am taking what you say very seriously in evaluating who I see as her buddy or her potential buddies.

[Ankamius]

NO I'M REALLY DUMB SORRY

UNVOTE: Skygazer
VOTE: Creature

ALSO THIS IS MY POE GUYS LYNCH ONE OF THESE

[Ankamius]

Krazy

you really should look at what I posted today and compare it to why I asked you to look at the Day 6 GRvsJJD wagons

I think I pointed out the missing link somewhere within the past couple game days that STRONGLY spews Golden Robster as town, to the point of it being obvious that the slot has no inside information as well as playing significantly more pro-town than most other unflipped slots in the game.

[Ankamius]

Actually fuck it, here's the missing link:

Wavemode calling for people to abandon Gamma was a turning point in the game...

And scum make a critical mistake.

[Ankamius]

If you can figure out what specifically I'm looking at, then just looking at my stream of consciousness today will get you to where I am, and it's just one simple skim through the past VCs to see why Golden Robster is locktown.

TehBrawlGuy, Golden Robster, and Myloninja13 are playing in a way that doesn't fit how scum have been playing this game. The game makes perfect sense when all of them are town.

When I look back at specific parts of the game to look at how things progressed... the above slots looked town and (predominantly) Creature/Skygazer/Vaxkiller have looked significantly less town.

idk Krazy, I'm giving you a pass because despite your voting history being fucking bizarre and not fitting either town or scum, there are a few posts I'm seeing when looking back that don't indicate a scum mindset at all.

[Ankamius]

hint

i'm strongly against nolycnhes

I'm strongly against no-lynches too.

But

Spoiler:

NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
TehBrawlGuy(4) ~ Kublai Khan(23), Texcat(12), Myloninja13(18), Wavemode(54)
JarJarDrinks() ~
Scioness Sajj(4) ~ Golden Robster(62), JarJarDrinks(66), Hopkirk(28) Tchill13(130),
Texcat (L-1) ~ Krazy(64),

Gamma Emerald

,

Vaxkiller

(19) Scioness Sajj(29), TehBrawlGuy(67),

Creature

(63),

Skygazer

(10), Ankamius(85),

I cannot join that wagon.

and this post specifically is bleeding town now in hindsight.

[Krazy]

If the stream of consciousness is that it's implausible that 7051 isn't a bus, then I don't buy it.

VOTE: Gamma

^There are exactly 0 reasons to think this isn't a bus. I'm not sure what else you're saying there. We had just CFD'd texcat and half the people off the wagon ended up being masons. Scum DEFINITELY cross bus in that scenario. Like you can't just look at VC. You have to remember gamestate. Texcat was CFD'd, and half the people off the wagon--basically all the available mislynches--claimed mason. If that is not going to 'change scum voting behaviors' I don't know what is.

But I never expected you to shake your weird read of GR town. That's fine. So FYPOV Creature/Vax/Sky is 2/3. Can you narrow it down? Right now you're saying Creature. Who is Creature's buddy then? Vax?

Right now I'm not thinking Sky is scum, but if you want to case Creature then I'm listening. How is Creature scum? That's probably one of my weakest town reads and almost exclusively based on a meta I'm not familiar with, so I'm all ears.

[Ankamius]

incorrect

you're stuck at 7256 still

[Krazy]

My main problem with Creature scum is more texcat than Wheme, meta aside. Creature was just chilling off wagon. If he's scum, why does he bus in the first place, when he like, only barely supports the wagon. And then why does he basically nuke any towncred he got from the bus by doing the weird unvote/revote right at the end. idk I don't understand how that fits a scum Creature persona, but then a lot of stuff Creature does is hard for me to understand. Creature gained basically no towncred for texcat bus, and could have easily hammered SS somewhere in there. Just seems like a weird play and I kinda don't see it.

[Ankamius]

Skygazer+Creature or Vaxkiller+Creature

[Ankamius]

btw all the patterns I've been seeing are from a macro sense

it's very plausible that scum have been using the same strategy for most of the game because the nightkill strategy has been using the same strategy for most of the game

and once you see the patterns...

[Krazy]

So are you feeling more or less settled on Creature then?

[Ankamius]

It's not impossible that I'm attributing teams incorrectly, but I think overall my grasp on the gamestate is strong enough that it's unlikely I'm incorrectly locking a scum as town.

[Ankamius]

idk I'm not super certain on what exactly the scumteam is, the teams I proposed are admittedly weak confidence

but I think scum are within those three in some combination

[Krazy]

Well, you have succeeded in giving me someone to reread, and considering I am basically trapped inside all day tomorrow, I appreciate that. Creature gets to wear a sorting hat. If nothing else it would be good to be more confident in my townread there. The texcat wagon seems like it SHOULD be town indicative for Creature, but it's not nearly as big of a sign as in the case of Sky.

I feel like I missed the critical chain of thought that makes GR town in your argument tho. I feel like you keep saying "no they don't bus there" or "scum don't vote together there" and I keep saying "F yeah they do." Where is town GR? I don't see her anywhere.

[JarJarDrinks]

I will do creature. I had him as a very strong scumread after what he did w/ the wheme lynch. Not really sure why he's been off my radar.

Case here 3616

[Vaxkiller]

Creatures town, building a pretend case around him is scummmy.

[Vaxkiller]

Scum would be better off building a pretend case around me.

[JarJarDrinks]

Creatures town, building a pretend case around him is scummmy.

Why is he town and who are u calling scummy?

[Ankamius]

Interesting

[Ankamius]

Hi Ircher

[Ankamius]

A