NY 213 - Game Over!

Ankamius · Post Post #7325 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:10 am

No, I was confident you were scum before that

Creature · Post Post #7326 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:10 am

I feel like we're collapsing on townreads somewhere.

Creature · Post Post #7327 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:11 am

In post 7325, Ankamius wrote:No, I was confident you were scum before that

Haha that's funny

Creature · Post Post #7328 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:11 am

It seems more like "I townread like everyone but creature", so I understand that.

Creature · Post Post #7329 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:12 am

haven't seen Skygazer do much either other than "depending on the game state I'll accept being lynched"

Skygazer · Post Post #7330 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:24 am

beetlejuiced

Creature, are there any examples of you playing to your town meta as scum?

Creature · Post Post #7331 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:28 am

Transformers mafia I managed to be one of the top posters and I guess that's it.

Creature · Post Post #7332 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:30 am

I feel like I substantially changed the way to play this game when I started playing Transformers mafia.

It's not because I'm scum this game, otherwise it'd be more likely I would've played Transformers mafia like I was playing here rather than change my play here. It's mostly because my focus on that game somehow changed the way I played my town game here.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #7333 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:50 am

In post 7286, Creature wrote:Huh? I didn't even vote Gamma

I thought you led the charge then bounced off for some reason, looking back I guess you didn't nm

Krazy · Post Post #7334 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:56 am

Some introductory notes on Creature meta. This isn't really complete yet. Initial thoughts -- Creature is very aware of his meta, can be INCREDIBLY disengaged as both VT and scum, SEEMS more engaged as TPRs but actually is more bored?

Also the scum comments about Creature's meta this game were complete shit because they were primarily drawing from games where he was TPR, not VT.

In terms of scum on Creature Meta comments, they ALL began with a strong townread of Creature based on meta, and then those who lived longer (Gamma and Texcat) began to walk back that read as the game went on.

Also, fun fact--literally everything Gamma said about meta this game was a lie.

Anyway, some initial notes ahoy (mostly just setting up the list at this point):

Spoiler:

Krazy · Post Post #7335 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:03 am

So, a few thoughts.

Those familiar with Creature's meta on the scum team probably could have easily picked out that he was playing to his VT/scum meta, so might have been interested in pocketing him early with their 'meta defense' of his play. That being said, that Gamma based any part of his read on Creature on meta does bother me. Their universal defense of him suggests they wanted him alive toward the late game (either as a buddy, or because they did not plan to nightkill him ever, since he was obviously not TPR).

In post 6274, Creature wrote:UNVOTE:

This is the only point where Creature unvotes. Unvotes are one of the biggest Creature scumtells, but this was an unusual situation (Tex at L-1). I'll need to reread some stuff there but I'm inclined to say that Creature is not playing toward his obvious scum meta.

Also, just based on level of engagement, there does seem to be some merit to the idea that Creature!Scum can literally go entire games without casting a single vote, and so it's not unreasonable to say that while both VT!Creature and Scum!Creature are disengaged, Scum!Creature tends to be much more disengaged than VT!Creature.

Creature · Post Post #7336 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:10 am

Do I look disengaged here?

Krazy · Post Post #7337 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:13 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go -- in this scum game, out of 2 votes, one was on TPR and the other was a bus

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go -- in this scum game, 1 out of three votes was a bus, with two being on VT

@Creature, not really no.

Krazy · Post Post #7338 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:22 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go -- 50% of votes are busses

Main conclusions at this point --

If this is Scum!Creature, this is a Scum!Creature that has not been seen before. The level of engagement here is not characteristic of Scum!Creature.

The closest analogy to this game is Labyrinth, if Creature was scum -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

The closest analogy to this game is "Pick Yer Power" if Creature is VT -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

And in this, a more active game, Creature does also unvote once (925)

And this is not really the Creature that played Labyrinth.

So, Creature Meta Arguments Summary:

-Creature is self-aware of his meta
-Creature busses frequently out of the few votes he casts as scum

but

-Activity is somewhat alignment indicative for Creature
-This looks a lot more like the "Pick Yer Power" Creature than the "Labyrinth" Creature

From a meta perspective, I tend to agree with the common argument that Creature looks town. If he is scum this game, he has dramatically changed his scum playstyle in a way I would find surprising.

My main thought right now is that the scum team thought that towncasing Creature early game would give them a slot to say stuff about that didn't actually require that much worse. "Oh yeah, meta, Creature is town. I'm town, I'm giving reads man. And stuff." Since the argument was garbage, they could always change it later, which both Gamma and texcat seemed inclined to do.

Krazy · Post Post #7339 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:22 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go -- 50% of votes are busses

Main conclusions at this point --

If this is Scum!Creature, this is a Scum!Creature that has not been seen before. The level of engagement here is not characteristic of Scum!Creature.

The closest analogy to this game is Labyrinth, if Creature was scum -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

The closest analogy to this game is "Pick Yer Power" if Creature is VT -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

And in this, a more active game, Creature does also unvote once (925)

And this is not really the Creature that played Labyrinth.

So, Creature Meta Arguments Summary:

-Creature is self-aware of his meta
-Creature busses frequently out of the few votes he casts as scum

but

-Activity is somewhat alignment indicative for Creature
-This looks a lot more like the "Pick Yer Power" Creature than the "Labyrinth" Creature

From a meta perspective, I tend to agree with the common argument that Creature looks town. If he is scum this game, he has dramatically changed his scum playstyle in a way I would find surprising.

My main thought right now is that the scum team thought that towncasing Creature early game would give them a slot to say stuff about that didn't actually require that much worse. "Oh yeah, meta, Creature is town. I'm town, I'm giving reads man. And stuff." Since the argument was garbage, they could always change it later, which both Gamma and texcat seemed inclined to do.

Creature · Post Post #7340 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:24 am

In post 7338, Krazy wrote:"Oh yeah, meta, Creature is town. I'm town, I'm giving reads man. And stuff."

Vaxkiller rn :/

Krazy · Post Post #7341 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:15 am

Another thing I thought of:

In post 5754, Creature wrote:One claimed, other refused to claim.

Is it stupid to townread both of them of that?

I looked through all of Creature's scum games... and I think actually his biggest scumtell, one of the ways that you can sort scum!Creature from town!Creature aside from the pure activity meta, which is easy to fake, is that scum!Creature basically doesn't have townreads. He does lists, but he never characterizes the top of his lists as townreads. If he does, he's vague or "forgets" about his townreads.

To that extent, 5754 would be shockingly out of character for a scum!Creature. It's also odd because I agreed with 5754 at the time, which was one of the few points where I actually felt like I was on the same page as Creature.

Creature did some things that are odd this game, I still don't like the unvote/revote on tex, but his scum game tends to be... kind of transparently lurky. I don't see anything in the ballpark of the unvote/revote, I don't see dedicated townreads while people are at L-1, if you care about meta at all (which it's okay not to), then this is definitely town Creature.

Now, if you DO NOT care about meta, there's Creature's play. Ank says that VCA says Creature looks scummy. But if she wants to make an argument that Creature is scummy based on play, then she needs to make that argument, because it is not obvious to me how you reach that conclusion based on VCA.

I still see GR as hands down the best lynch today.

Ankamius · Post Post #7342 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:21 am

it's not a VCA read

it's a gamestate + play read

Krazy · Post Post #7343 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:24 am

Iif you think about it, Almost50 is basically a perfect nightkill if Creature is town, and GR is scum. If you look at it objectively, it should implicate GR and Gamma both. But, A50 was loud on Creature, and also countered the 'Creature town' meta, which scum wanted to back down on anyway. Killing A50 eliminates someone who called 2 of the scum team (at least, 3 if Vax is in there too) while a casual glance at A50 in iso instead might seem to implicate Creature. A50 being wrong on Creature gave the scum team just enough cover to kill him while protecting 2-3 of their slots. At the same time, it sets up Creature as a future mislynch.

@Ank, whatever type of read it is, you need to explain it

Ankamius · Post Post #7344 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:28 am

I generally don't case

I left the groundwork to get to where I am and the necessary info needed to interpret it in the right way

if you can't or don't want to go along that path, then there's not a whole lot I can do since it's impressively difficult to word it in a way that doesn't just sound like gibberish

Ankamius · Post Post #7345 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:31 am

like

very common for me to explain something and people just dismiss what I'm saying because I make a lot of assumptions when the truth is that I've been building up to where I was for long enough that I just actually forget the steps I used to reach those 'assumptions' in the first place

it's a lot easier and more likely to get somewhere if I just have people retrace my steps and have an opinion on things in the way I see it

Ircher · Post Post #7346 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:39 am

Day 8 VC #4Golden Robster (3) - Krazy (7216), JarJarDrinks (7224), Wavemode (7293)
Creature (1) - Ankamius (7254)
Skygazer (0) -
Vaxkiller (0) -
Not Voting (6) - Skygazer, Myloninja13, TehBrawlGuy, Creature, Vaxkiller, Golden Robster

Lynch ThresholdDuring day 8, it takes 6 votes to lynch a player.

DeadlineDay 8 ends on August 30, 2018 6:30 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-08-30 18:30:00).

Moderator NotesIf you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
Golden Robster V/LA until August 24.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 7

* - Hammer Vote
_{^ - Vote after hammer.}

Golden Robster (1):

Kublai Khan

(7175)
Krazy (1):

Kublai Khan

(7111)
Creature (1):

Kublai Khan

(7114)

Hopkirk

(1):

Kublai Khan

(7113)
Ankamius (1):

Kublai Khan

(7195*)
TehBrawlGuy (1):

Kublai Khan

(7112)
Vaxkiller (1):

Kublai Khan

(7118)
_{Wavemode (0): Kublai Khan
(7197^)}

Day 6

* - Hammer Vote

Golden Robster (10):

Tchill13

(6404) --> Golden Robster (6492) --> (Null) (6635) --> Myloninja13 (6651) --> (Null) (6653) --> JarJarDrinks (6656) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6939) --> Vaxkiller (6963) --> Skygazer (6972) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7051)
Krazy (4):

Tchill13

(6329) --> Wavemode (6434) --> Golden Robster (6571) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7100*)
Creature (9): Myloninja13 (6322) -->

Kublai Khan

(6380) -->

Tchill13

(6409) --> JarJarDrinks (6423) --> Wavemode (6426) --> (Null) (6450) --> Golden Robster (6453) --> JarJarDrinks (6495) --> Golden Robster (6882)

Kublai Khan

(4): Vaxkiller (6340) --> Wavemode (6516) --> Vaxkiller (6570) --> Golden Robster (7076)

Hopkirk

(3): Vaxkiller (6702) --> Golden Robster (7042) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7049)

Gamma Emerald

(1): Golden Robster (6722)

Tchill13

(8): Golden Robster (6606) --> JarJarDrinks (6713) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6928) --> Golden Robster (6990) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7031) ==>

Gamma Emerald

(7050) --> Golden Robster (7073) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7099)
JarJarDrinks (5): Golden Robster (6867) --> Vaxkiller (6873) --> Golden Robster (6900) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6945) --> Skygazer (7010)
Skygazer (3): Golden Robster (6470) --> JarJarDrinks (6682) --> Golden Robster (6959)
Ankamius (6): Wavemode (6424) --> (Null) (6452) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6925) --> Skygazer (6973) ==> Skygazer (6989) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7094)
TehBrawlGuy (6): Myloninja13 (6555) --> JarJarDrinks (6685) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6946) --> (Null) (6955) --> Skygazer (7006) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7043)
Vaxkiller (4):

Tchill13

(6393) -->

Kublai Khan

(6860) --> Golden Robster (6903) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6953)
Wavemode (4): Krazy (6338) --> Golden Robster (6493) --> TehBrawlGuy (6501) --> Golden Robster (6603)
Myloninja13 (2): JarJarDrinks (6657) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6929)

Day 5

* - Hammer Vote
^ - Vote after hammer.

Golden Robster (2): TehBrawlGuy (5311) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6017)
Krazy (6):

Gamma Emerald

(5115) -->

Tchill13

(5683) -->

Texcat

(5721) -->

Gamma Emerald

(5816) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5948) -->

Texcat

(5980)
Creature (7):

Gamma Emerald

(5397) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5577) --> JarJarDrinks (5751) --> Skygazer (6076) -->

Texcat

(6168) --> (Null) (6274) -->

Texcat

(6290)

Kublai Khan

(3): Wavemode (5305) --> TehBrawlGuy (5520) -->

Texcat

(6303*)

Hopkirk

(4): Krazy (5265) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5648) --> TehBrawlGuy (5942) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6024)

Gamma Emerald

(4): Golden Robster (5631) --> JarJarDrinks (5703) --> (Null) (5929) -->

Texcat

(5983)

Tchill13

(4): Vaxkiller (5135) --> TehBrawlGuy (5139) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5174) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6037)
Skygazer (6): Wavemode (5439) --> (Null) (5480) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5640) -->

Texcat

(5985) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6019) -->

Texcat

(6172)
JarJarDrinks (6): TehBrawlGuy (5422) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5692) --> TehBrawlGuy (5848) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5936) --> TehBrawlGuy (5965) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6018)
Ankamius (9): Wavemode (5168) --> TehBrawlGuy (5643) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5693) --> JarJarDrinks (5713) -->

Texcat

(5984) --> (Null) (6002) -->

Texcat

(6010) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6016) -->

Texcat

(6176)

Texcat

(1): TehBrawlGuy (5689)
TehBrawlGuy (7): JarJarDrinks (5126) --> Wavemode (5373) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5653) --> JarJarDrinks (5709) -->

Texcat

(5975) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6039) -->

Texcat

(6065)
Vaxkiller (5): Krazy (5118) -->

Gamma Emerald

(5121) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5649) --> JarJarDrinks (5847) -->

Texcat

(5986)
Wavemode (6): Krazy (5263) --> TehBrawlGuy (5579) -->

Gamma Emerald

(5869) --> Golden Robster (5870) --> Wavemode (5871) --> TehBrawlGuy (5872)
Myloninja13 (2):

Gamma Emerald

(5394) --> TehBrawlGuy (5775) --> _{Texcat
(6308^)}

Scioness Sajj

(6):

Gamma Emerald

(5309) --> (Null) (5633) --> Myloninja13 (5642) --> TehBrawlGuy (5680) --> JarJarDrinks (5714) -->

Texcat

(5989)

Day 4

* - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(1):

Texcat

(4670)
Golden Robster (2):

Scioness Sajj

(4681) -->

Dunnstral

(5019)
Krazy (3):

Texcat

(4669) -->

Gamma Emerald

(4859) -->

Dunnstral

(5104*)
Creature (3):

Scioness Sajj

(4665) -->

Texcat

(4745) -->

Dunnstral

(4817)

Hopkirk

(5):

Scioness Sajj

(4672) --> (Null) (4848) -->

Scioness Sajj

(4857) --> Vaxkiller (4992) --> Golden Robster (5062)

Gamma Emerald

(1):

Dunnstral

(4847)

Tchill13

(6):

Scioness Sajj

(4707) -->

Dunnstral

(4822) -->

Scioness Sajj

(4863) -->

Dunnstral

(4988) --> (Null) (5064) --> TehBrawlGuy (5102)
Skygazer (4):

Scioness Sajj

(4717) -->

Texcat

(4888) --> (Null) (4894) -->

Dunnstral

(4973)
JarJarDrinks (2):

Scioness Sajj

(4674) -->

Dunnstral

(4815)
Ankamius (3):

Tchill13

(4756) -->

Texcat

(5002) --> Krazy (5049)

Texcat

(1):

Dunnstral

(4829)
TehBrawlGuy (1):

Texcat

(4710)
Vaxkiller (1):

Scioness Sajj

(4721)
Wavemode (2):

Scioness Sajj

(4854) -->

Dunnstral

(5071)

PenguinPower

(2):

Scioness Sajj

(4713) -->

Dunnstral

(4819)
Myloninja13 (3):

Dunnstral

(4837) -->

Gamma Emerald

(4965) -->

Dunnstral

(5059)

Scioness Sajj

(2):

Texcat

(4675) --> (Null) (4895)

Day 3

* - Hammer vote
^ - Vote occurred after hammer

Dunnstral

(2): Myloninja13 (3463) -->

Texcat

(4162)
Golden Robster (3):

Dunnstral

(3559) --> TehBrawlGuy (4208) --> Creature (4255)
Pine (0):
Krazy (3):

Dunnstral

(3978) -->

Texcat

(4161) -->

Gamma Emerald

(4392)
Creature (8):

Texcat

(3472) -->

Lalendra

(3681) -->

Texcat

(3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) -->

Texcat

(4165) -->

Lalendra

(4213) -->

Kublai Khan

(4260) -->

Lalendra

(4284)

Kublai Khan

(7): Creature (3511) -->

Lalendra

(4033) --> TehBrawlGuy (4184) --> Creature (4240) -->

Lalendra

(4308) -->

Gamma Emerald

(4416) -->

Lalendra

(4557)

Hopkirk

(3):

Lalendra

(3661) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4339)

Gamma Emerald

(3):

Lalendra

(3913) --> (Null) (3954) --> Myloninja13 (4073)

Ausuka

(4): Myloninja13 (3640) -->

Lalendra

(3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010) -->

Lalendra

(4286)

Lalendra

(3): TehBrawlGuy (3719) --> Myloninja13 (4130) --> Creature (4384)

Tchill13

(3):

Lalendra

(3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4215)
Frozen Angel (0):
Skygazer (1):

Lalendra

(4564)
JarJarDrinks (5): Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) -->

Lalendra

(3695) -->

Dunnstral

(3704) -->

Lalendra

(3721)
Ankamius (3):

Lalendra

(3801) --> (Null) (4044) --> Creature (4239)

Texcat

(1): Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy (4): JarJarDrinks (3466) -->

Texcat

(3790) --> Creature (4245) -->

Gamma Emerald

(4421)
Vaxkiller (3):

Kublai Khan

(4004) --> Myloninja13 (4214) -->

Lalendra

(4220)
Wavemode (2): TehBrawlGuy (3468) -->

Lalendra

(3716) --> _{Ankamius (4600^)}

PenguinPower

(3):

Texcat

(3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) -->

Lalendra

(3678)
Myloninja13 (2):

Dunnstral

(3765) --> Creature (4252)

Scioness Sajj

(3):

Texcat

(3756) --> Creature (4338) -->

Lalendra

(4577*)

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) -->

PenguinPower

(3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17):

Hopkirk

(2078) --> (Null) (2096) -->

PenguinPower

(2112) -->

Scioness Sajj

(2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) -->

Scioness Sajj

(2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) -->

PenguinPower

(2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) -->

PenguinPower

(2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)

Kublai Khan

(5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) -->

PenguinPower

(2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) -->

PenguinPower

(2930)

Hopkirk

(5): Andriod18 (2197) -->

Kublai Khan

(2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)

Gamma Emerald

(5):

Kublai Khan

(2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) -->

PenguinPower

(2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7):

PenguinPower

(1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)

Lalendra

(7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) -->

PenguinPower

(2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)

EspeciallyTheLies

(1):

PenguinPower

(1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) -->

EspeciallyTheLies

(2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) -->

Kublai Khan

(2533)

Texcat

(2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1):

Texcat

(2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) -->

PenguinPower

(3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) -->

PenguinPower

(3290)
Wavemode (6):

Texcat

(2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)

PenguinPower

(7): Myloninja13 (1947) -->

Kublai Khan

(2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1):

PenguinPower

(2437)

Scioness Sajj

(3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) -->

PenguinPower

(3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) -->

Kublai Khan

(2499) -->

PenguinPower

(2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral

(5):

Osuka

(77) -->

Texcat

(1388) -->

Lalendra

(1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) -->

TheRampage

(909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8):

Hopkirk

(97) -->

Edosurist

(226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) -->

TheRampage

(813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)

Kublai Khan

(6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) -->

Scioness Sajj

(388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3):

Lalendra

(234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)

Hopkirk

(9):

Osuka

(90) -->

Lalendra

(279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)

Edosurist

(2):

Texcat

(84) -->

Almost50

(222)

Gamma Emerald

(3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) -->

TheRampage

(743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) -->

Lalendra

(1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)

Lalendra

(3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)

EspeciallyTheLies

(2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1):

Edosurist

(259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) -->

Edosurist

(231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) -->

TheRampage

(771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)

Texcat

(4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4):

Kublai Khan

(190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4):

Texcat

(81) -->

TheRampage

(223) -->

Texcat

(604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) -->

Scioness Sajj

(389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) -->

TheRampage

(1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5):

Texcat

(82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)

TheRampage

(3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)

PenguinPower

(1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4):

Edosurist

(233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)

Scioness Sajj

(4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral

(2):

Texcat

(9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)

Kublai Khan

(1): Pine (34)

Hopkirk

(1):

Osuka

(66)

Edosurist

(1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)

Texcat

(1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

Creature · Post Post #7347 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:48 am

In post 7344, Ankamius wrote:I generally don't case

I left the groundwork to get to where I am and the necessary info needed to interpret it in the right way

if you can't or don't want to go along that path, then there's not a whole lot I can do since it's impressively difficult to word it in a way that doesn't just sound like gibberish

I understand you, the problem is that you're wrong.

Ankamius · Post Post #7348 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:49 am

tell me how you're interpreting it then

Krazy · Post Post #7349 (ISO) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:50 am

In post 7345, Ankamius wrote:like

very common for me to explain something and people just dismiss what I'm saying because I make a lot of assumptions when the truth is that I've been building up to where I was for long enough that I just actually forget the steps I used to reach those 'assumptions' in the first place

it's a lot easier and more likely to get somewhere if I just have people retrace my steps and have an opinion on things in the way I see it

Yeah except that only works if you're really going off of VCA or something. You're now saying you're judging Creature on play. So WHAT PLAYS? What posts? There's no reason you shouldn't be able to point to something to discuss. I feel like every time I try to narrow down even the NATURE of your argument you shift gears.

Ank: "I'm doing NKA"

Krazy: "OK well I did NKA and NKA says GR is scum"

Ank: "Actually I'm doing VCA"

Krazy: "OK well I did some VCA and VCA says GR is scum"

Ank: "Actually I'm doing game state analysis"

Krazy: "I don't know what that means but if you mean PoE, then PoE says GR is scum"

Ank: "Actually I'm doing reads based on play"

Krazy: "OK well I did reads based on play and GR is definitely scum based on play"

Ank: "Actually I can't explain my reads"

Krazy: "..."

Right now you're saying GR is town "because reasons". I mean that's fine, that's still more than some people, but you can't expect me to change my read of GR when GR is scum by literally every metric one can use to evaluate the game of mafia.