NY 213 - Game Over!

[TehBrawlGuy]

dying @ PAX, will catch up soon

[Krazy]

Sure do wish Sky and Creature would go on gr today

[Creature]

Meh

VOTE: Golden Robster

L-1

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: GR

[Ankamius]

Let TBG speak first

[Vaxkiller]

Great votes meh saying fuck it then hard pushes me??? Yes ok dude

[Vaxkiller]

I really think sky has a better chance of flipping scum

[Vaxkiller]

Fucking auto correct phone... Great is golden rob

[Ankamius]

[Ankamius]

Has everyone figured out Vaxkiller is scum yet or am I going to have to point out why those three posts are scummy as shit

(hint: there's no inner thought process fueling it)

[Ircher]

Day 9 VC #4

Golden Robster (2) - Krazy (7633), Creature (7677)
Creature (0) -
Skygazer (0) -
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (7670), Myloninja13 (7674)
Not Voting (4) - Vaxkiller, TehBrawlGuy, Skygazer, Ankamius (7678)

Lynch Threshold

During day 9, it takes 5 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 9 ends on September 7, 2018 6:30 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-09-07 18:30:00).

Moderator Notes

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Starting Day 10 (if this game continues that long), prod timers will be 28 hours on weekdays (Tuesday-Friday) and 36 hours on weekends (Saturday-Monday). This change is being made to keep the game running at a healthy pace given the 7 day deadlines.

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 9

Golden Robster: Creature (7638) --> Vaxkiller (7670)
Krazy: Golden Robster (7633)
Creature: Golden Robster (7636) --> Vaxkiller (7652) --> Golden Robster (7677)
Ankamius: Golden Robster (7634) --> (Null) (7678)
Myloninja13: Golden Robster (7615) --> Vaxkiller (7621) --> Skygazer (7624) --> (Null) (7626) --> Golden Robster (7662) --> Vaxkiller (7674)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 8

* - Hammer Vote

Golden Robster (2): Vaxkiller (7411) -->

JarJarDrinks

(7576)
Krazy (1): Golden Robster (7216)
Creature (4): Golden Robster (7489) --> (Null) (7492) -->

JarJarDrinks

(7517) ==>

JarJarDrinks

(7585)
Skygazer (1): Vaxkiller (7380)

JarJarDrinks

(1): Golden Robster (7224)
Ankamius (5): Vaxkiller (7248) --> Skygazer (7252) --> Creature (7254) --> Vaxkiller (7381) -->

JarJarDrinks

(7577)
TehBrawlGuy (2): Vaxkiller (7422) -->

JarJarDrinks

(7583)
Vaxkiller (1): Golden Robster (7440)

Wavemode

(2): Golden Robster (7293) -->

JarJarDrinks

(7597*)
Myloninja13 (3): Vaxkiller (7365) --> (Null) (7462) -->

JarJarDrinks

(7582)

Day 7

* - Hammer Vote
_{^ - Vote after hammer.}

Golden Robster (1):

Kublai Khan

(7175)
Krazy (1):

Kublai Khan

(7111)
Creature (1):

Kublai Khan

(7114)

Hopkirk

(1):

Kublai Khan

(7113)
Ankamius (1):

Kublai Khan

(7195*)
TehBrawlGuy (1):

Kublai Khan

(7112)
Vaxkiller (1):

Kublai Khan

(7118)

Wavemode

(0):

Kublai Khan

(7197^)

Day 6

* - Hammer Vote

Golden Robster (10):

Tchill13

(6404) --> Golden Robster (6492) --> (Null) (6635) --> Myloninja13 (6651) --> (Null) (6653) -->

JarJarDrinks

(6656) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6939) --> Vaxkiller (6963) --> Skygazer (6972) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7051)
Krazy (4):

Tchill13

(6329) -->

Wavemode

(6434) --> Golden Robster (6571) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7100*)
Creature (9): Myloninja13 (6322) -->

Kublai Khan

(6380) -->

Tchill13

(6409) -->

JarJarDrinks

(6423) -->

Wavemode

(6426) --> (Null) (6450) --> Golden Robster (6453) -->

JarJarDrinks

(6495) --> Golden Robster (6882)

Kublai Khan

(4): Vaxkiller (6340) -->

Wavemode

(6516) --> Vaxkiller (6570) --> Golden Robster (7076)

Hopkirk

(3): Vaxkiller (6702) --> Golden Robster (7042) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7049)

Gamma Emerald

(1): Golden Robster (6722)

Tchill13

(8): Golden Robster (6606) -->

JarJarDrinks

(6713) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6928) --> Golden Robster (6990) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7031) ==>

Gamma Emerald

(7050) --> Golden Robster (7073) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7099)

JarJarDrinks

(5): Golden Robster (6867) --> Vaxkiller (6873) --> Golden Robster (6900) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6945) --> Skygazer (7010)
Skygazer (3): Golden Robster (6470) -->

JarJarDrinks

(6682) --> Golden Robster (6959)
Ankamius (6):

Wavemode

(6424) --> (Null) (6452) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6925) --> Skygazer (6973) ==> Skygazer (6989) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7094)
TehBrawlGuy (6): Myloninja13 (6555) -->

JarJarDrinks

(6685) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6946) --> (Null) (6955) --> Skygazer (7006) -->

Gamma Emerald

(7043)
Vaxkiller (4):

Tchill13

(6393) -->

Kublai Khan

(6860) --> Golden Robster (6903) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6953)

Wavemode

(4): Krazy (6338) --> Golden Robster (6493) --> TehBrawlGuy (6501) --> Golden Robster (6603)
Myloninja13 (2):

JarJarDrinks

(6657) -->

Gamma Emerald

(6929)

Day 5

* - Hammer Vote
^ - Vote after hammer.

Golden Robster (2): TehBrawlGuy (5311) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6017)
Krazy (6):

Gamma Emerald

(5115) -->

Tchill13

(5683) -->

Texcat

(5721) -->

Gamma Emerald

(5816) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5948) -->

Texcat

(5980)
Creature (7):

Gamma Emerald

(5397) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5577) -->

JarJarDrinks

(5751) --> Skygazer (6076) -->

Texcat

(6168) --> (Null) (6274) -->

Texcat

(6290)

Kublai Khan

(3):

Wavemode

(5305) --> TehBrawlGuy (5520) -->

Texcat

(6303*)

Hopkirk

(4): Krazy (5265) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5648) --> TehBrawlGuy (5942) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6024)

Gamma Emerald

(4): Golden Robster (5631) -->

JarJarDrinks

(5703) --> (Null) (5929) -->

Texcat

(5983)

Tchill13

(4): Vaxkiller (5135) --> TehBrawlGuy (5139) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5174) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6037)
Skygazer (6):

Wavemode

(5439) --> (Null) (5480) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5640) -->

Texcat

(5985) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6019) -->

Texcat

(6172)

JarJarDrinks

(6): TehBrawlGuy (5422) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5692) --> TehBrawlGuy (5848) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5936) --> TehBrawlGuy (5965) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6018)
Ankamius (9):

Wavemode

(5168) --> TehBrawlGuy (5643) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5693) -->

JarJarDrinks

(5713) -->

Texcat

(5984) --> (Null) (6002) -->

Texcat

(6010) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6016) -->

Texcat

(6176)

Texcat

(1): TehBrawlGuy (5689)
TehBrawlGuy (7):

JarJarDrinks

(5126) -->

Wavemode

(5373) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5653) -->

JarJarDrinks

(5709) -->

Texcat

(5975) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6039) -->

Texcat

(6065)
Vaxkiller (5): Krazy (5118) -->

Gamma Emerald

(5121) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5649) -->

JarJarDrinks

(5847) -->

Texcat

(5986)

Wavemode

(6): Krazy (5263) --> TehBrawlGuy (5579) -->

Gamma Emerald

(5869) --> Golden Robster (5870) -->

Wavemode

(5871) --> TehBrawlGuy (5872)
Myloninja13 (2):

Gamma Emerald

(5394) --> TehBrawlGuy (5775) -->

Texcat

(6308^)

Scioness Sajj

(6):

Gamma Emerald

(5309) --> (Null) (5633) --> Myloninja13 (5642) --> TehBrawlGuy (5680) -->

JarJarDrinks

(5714) -->

Texcat

(5989)

Day 4

* - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(1):

Texcat

(4670)
Golden Robster (2):

Scioness Sajj

(4681) -->

Dunnstral

(5019)
Krazy (3):

Texcat

(4669) -->

Gamma Emerald

(4859) -->

Dunnstral

(5104*)
Creature (3):

Scioness Sajj

(4665) -->

Texcat

(4745) -->

Dunnstral

(4817)

Hopkirk

(5):

Scioness Sajj

(4672) --> (Null) (4848) -->

Scioness Sajj

(4857) --> Vaxkiller (4992) --> Golden Robster (5062)

Gamma Emerald

(1):

Dunnstral

(4847)

Tchill13

(6):

Scioness Sajj

(4707) -->

Dunnstral

(4822) -->

Scioness Sajj

(4863) -->

Dunnstral

(4988) --> (Null) (5064) --> TehBrawlGuy (5102)
Skygazer (4):

Scioness Sajj

(4717) -->

Texcat

(4888) --> (Null) (4894) -->

Dunnstral

(4973)

JarJarDrinks

(2):

Scioness Sajj

(4674) -->

Dunnstral

(4815)
Ankamius (3):

Tchill13

(4756) -->

Texcat

(5002) --> Krazy (5049)

Texcat

(1):

Dunnstral

(4829)
TehBrawlGuy (1):

Texcat

(4710)
Vaxkiller (1):

Scioness Sajj

(4721)

Wavemode

(2):

Scioness Sajj

(4854) -->

Dunnstral

(5071)

PenguinPower

(2):

Scioness Sajj

(4713) -->

Dunnstral

(4819)
Myloninja13 (3):

Dunnstral

(4837) -->

Gamma Emerald

(4965) -->

Dunnstral

(5059)

Scioness Sajj

(2):

Texcat

(4675) --> (Null) (4895)

Day 3

* - Hammer vote
^ - Vote occurred after hammer

Dunnstral

(2): Myloninja13 (3463) -->

Texcat

(4162)
Golden Robster (3):

Dunnstral

(3559) --> TehBrawlGuy (4208) --> Creature (4255)
Pine (0):
Krazy (3):

Dunnstral

(3978) -->

Texcat

(4161) -->

Gamma Emerald

(4392)
Creature (8):

Texcat

(3472) -->

Lalendra

(3681) -->

Texcat

(3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) -->

Texcat

(4165) -->

Lalendra

(4213) -->

Kublai Khan

(4260) -->

Lalendra

(4284)

Kublai Khan

(7): Creature (3511) -->

Lalendra

(4033) --> TehBrawlGuy (4184) --> Creature (4240) -->

Lalendra

(4308) -->

Gamma Emerald

(4416) -->

Lalendra

(4557)

Hopkirk

(3):

Lalendra

(3661) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4339)

Gamma Emerald

(3):

Lalendra

(3913) --> (Null) (3954) --> Myloninja13 (4073)

Ausuka

(4): Myloninja13 (3640) -->

Lalendra

(3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010) -->

Lalendra

(4286)

Lalendra

(3): TehBrawlGuy (3719) --> Myloninja13 (4130) --> Creature (4384)

Tchill13

(3):

Lalendra

(3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4215)
Frozen Angel (0):
Skygazer (1):

Lalendra

(4564)

JarJarDrinks

(5): Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) -->

Lalendra

(3695) -->

Dunnstral

(3704) -->

Lalendra

(3721)
Ankamius (3):

Lalendra

(3801) --> (Null) (4044) --> Creature (4239)

Texcat

(1): Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy (4):

JarJarDrinks

(3466) -->

Texcat

(3790) --> Creature (4245) -->

Gamma Emerald

(4421)
Vaxkiller (3):

Kublai Khan

(4004) --> Myloninja13 (4214) -->

Lalendra

(4220)

Wavemode

(2): TehBrawlGuy (3468) -->

Lalendra

(3716) --> _{Ankamius (4600^)}

PenguinPower

(3):

Texcat

(3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) -->

Lalendra

(3678)
Myloninja13 (2):

Dunnstral

(3765) --> Creature (4252)

Scioness Sajj

(3):

Texcat

(3756) --> Creature (4338) -->

Lalendra

(4577*)

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(4): Myloninja13 (1942) -->

JarJarDrinks

(2206) -->

PenguinPower

(3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17):

Hopkirk

(2078) --> (Null) (2096) -->

PenguinPower

(2112) -->

Scioness Sajj

(2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) -->

Wavemode

(2367) -->

Scioness Sajj

(2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) -->

PenguinPower

(2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) -->

PenguinPower

(2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)

Kublai Khan

(5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) -->

PenguinPower

(2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) -->

JarJarDrinks

(2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) -->

PenguinPower

(2930)

Hopkirk

(5): Andriod18 (2197) -->

Kublai Khan

(2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)

Gamma Emerald

(5):

Kublai Khan

(2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) -->

PenguinPower

(2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7):

PenguinPower

(1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)

Lalendra

(7): Vaxkiller (2184) -->

JarJarDrinks

(2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) -->

PenguinPower

(2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)

EspeciallyTheLies

(1):

PenguinPower

(1996)

JarJarDrinks

(10): Andriod18 (1945) -->

EspeciallyTheLies

(2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2):

JarJarDrinks

(2116) -->

Kublai Khan

(2533)

Texcat

(2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1):

Texcat

(2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) -->

Wavemode

(2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) -->

PenguinPower

(3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) -->

PenguinPower

(3290)

Wavemode

(6):

Texcat

(2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)

PenguinPower

(7): Myloninja13 (1947) -->

Kublai Khan

(2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1):

PenguinPower

(2437)

Scioness Sajj

(3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) -->

PenguinPower

(3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5):

JarJarDrinks

(2205) -->

Kublai Khan

(2499) -->

PenguinPower

(2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral

(5):

Osuka

(77) -->

Texcat

(1388) -->

Lalendra

(1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) -->

TheRampage

(909) -->

Wavemode

(1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8):

Hopkirk

(97) -->

Edosurist

(226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) -->

Wavemode

(183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

-->

JarJarDrinks

(319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) -->

Wavemode

(1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) -->

TheRampage

(813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)

Kublai Khan

(6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) -->

Scioness Sajj

(388) -->

JarJarDrinks

(536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3):

Lalendra

(234) -->

JarJarDrinks

(797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)

Hopkirk

(9):

Osuka

(90) -->

Lalendra

(279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) -->

Wavemode

(999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)

Edosurist

(2):

Texcat

(84) -->

Almost50

(222)

Gamma Emerald

(3): Vaxkiller (710) -->

Wavemode

(1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9):

JarJarDrinks

(89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) -->

TheRampage

(743) -->

Wavemode

(998) -->

Performer

(1604) -->

Lalendra

(1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)

Lalendra

(3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)

EspeciallyTheLies

(2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1):

Edosurist

(259)
Davesaz (1):

Wavemode

(1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)

JarJarDrinks

(8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) -->

Edosurist

(231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) -->

Wavemode

(1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10):

Wavemode

(80) -->

JarJarDrinks

(124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) -->

JarJarDrinks

(353) -->

Performer

(769) -->

TheRampage

(771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)

Texcat

(4):

Osuka

(79) -->

Wavemode

(1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4):

Kublai Khan

(190) --> Lovebird (290) -->

JarJarDrinks

(855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4):

Texcat

(81) -->

TheRampage

(223) -->

Texcat

(604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2):

JarJarDrinks

(87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8):

JarJarDrinks

(363) -->

Scioness Sajj

(389) --> Andriod18 (437) -->

JarJarDrinks

(532) --> Golden Robster (678) -->

Wavemode

(1078) -->

TheRampage

(1085) -->

Performer

(1116)

Wavemode

(5):

Texcat

(82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)

TheRampage

(3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)

PenguinPower

(1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4):

Edosurist

(233) -->

JarJarDrinks

(326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)

Scioness Sajj

(4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral

(2):

Texcat

(9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)

Kublai Khan

(1): Pine (34)

Hopkirk

(1):

Osuka

(66)

Edosurist

(1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) -->

Wavemode

(33)

Texcat

(1): Pine (44)

Wavemode

(1):

Osuka

(31)

[Krazy]

Ahhh fine

VOTE: Vax

Sorry Krazy but I really don't think GR has a higher chance of flipping scum here

(Shh, Mylo, I wrote something for you here but don't show it to anyone else. I'm still lurking and am not writing any wallposts this dayphase)

Spoiler:

You are right, that Vax has kind of weird progressions, but there's a problem there. First, Vax actually tends to have MORE intuitive responses as scum. He is more likely to straight up defend his partner or commit to a bus. It's kinda weird that he's bounced around so much this game. Basically, if Vax is scum, this a significantly better and more confusing game for him than usual. This makes Vax still a viable lynch, but not a great lynch because he is behaving in a surprising manner as scum.

Conversely, if you consider GR, you should actually be highly alarmed that she voted Creature at all. As town, GR tends to primarily focus on her top fos. If you look at GR on Creature this game, her reads are all over the place, calling him town one dayphase, scum the next, constant back and forth. I lost track of the number of flip-flops she had. As town, GR does not radically go back and forth on reads to this extent, and certainly not this many times for the same slot.

The reason for this flip flopping is that GR basically plays scum by building her pushes off the reads of other players. In the previous dayphase, you, TBG, and Ank all indicated a willingness to push Creature. So, even though in the last four days GR has several times said Creature seemed town, she has backpedaled that position since she thought it seemed like a viable mislynch today.

Basically the perfect example of this is her position on Mario in this game she won as scum: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Just do ctrl+f on Mario and watch the constant back and forth on her positions

Starts by shading Mario
then she calls Mario town
Asks mario questions
gives a very weird "mafia/town" read
then goes back to Mario town
Finally, she wins the game by lynching Mario

How did GR win that game? How did she get away with flipping her position on the slot that many times?

She waits for 2-3 people to say someone they are willing to lynch
Then she just happens to agree with the position of the other players
GR started out this dayphase pushing Creature because she thought you, TBG, and Ank would get on board for a Creature mislynch.
TBG has been gone though, and you softened your stance on Creature, so eventually she shifted back over to Vax since that's the more likely lynch to go through. Why was GR on Creature today? Because you said you would be willing to mislynch him. Why did GR change to Vax? Because you didn't actually stick to what you said yesterday.

In short, just like literally everything else this game, this is exactly how GR played scum in Open 632.

Please get on board with lynching GR today. I'm basically begging you at this point Mylo. Vax is not the best lynch today. He is scummy but he is just not even in the same ballpark as GR. Every time you switch away from GR I feel physically nauseous.

[Golden Robster]

That's such bullshit Krazy; don't even try and push that on me

1) You're referencing a scum game that happened about two years ago
2) The only reason I won that game as scum was because I played well; it was four player lylo and mario wasn't helping himself by acting suspicious therefore it made the most logical sense to push him since the other players were scumreading him as well
3)

She waits for 2-3 people to say someone they are willing to lynch
Then she just happens to agree with the position of the other players
GR started out this dayphase pushing Creature because she thought you, TBG, and Ank would get on board for a Creature mislynch.
TBG has been gone though, and you softened your stance on Creature, so eventually she shifted back over to Vax since that's the more likely lynch to go through. Why was GR on Creature today? Because you said you would be willing to mislynch him. Why did GR change to Vax? Because you didn't actually stick to what you said yesterday.

That example could be made for each and every other player here; reading through creature ISO and seeing content that points to him both being town and scum including the main point that pushing texcat all of d3 made me re-evaluate.

There is zero point in pushing a lynch that won't go through especially since it's counter-productive; town SHOULD be consolidating onto one lynch which the consensus is [Vax, Creature, Sky]

[Golden Robster]

(insert angry GR rebuttal)

[Vaxkiller]

The fact that ppl have sky on their scum list, but no one is pushing sky should tell u that sky is scum here, instrad we have at least 1 townie (me) getting pushed here and possibly 2. I'm less sure about golden Rob, and more sure about skygazer flipping scum. We need to lynch there today. Will vote there later today..... Phone post

[Myloninja13]

Ahhh fine

VOTE: Vax

Sorry Krazy but I really don't think GR has a higher chance of flipping scum here

(Shh, Mylo, I wrote something for you here but don't show it to anyone else. I'm still lurking and am not writing any wallposts this dayphase)

Spoiler:

You are right, that Vax has kind of weird progressions, but there's a problem there. First, Vax actually tends to have MORE intuitive responses as scum. He is more likely to straight up defend his partner or commit to a bus. It's kinda weird that he's bounced around so much this game. Basically, if Vax is scum, this a significantly better and more confusing game for him than usual. This makes Vax still a viable lynch, but not a great lynch because he is behaving in a surprising manner as scum.

Conversely, if you consider GR, you should actually be highly alarmed that she voted Creature at all. As town, GR tends to primarily focus on her top fos. If you look at GR on Creature this game, her reads are all over the place, calling him town one dayphase, scum the next, constant back and forth. I lost track of the number of flip-flops she had. As town, GR does not radically go back and forth on reads to this extent, and certainly not this many times for the same slot.

The reason for this flip flopping is that GR basically plays scum by building her pushes off the reads of other players. In the previous dayphase, you, TBG, and Ank all indicated a willingness to push Creature. So, even though in the last four days GR has several times said Creature seemed town, she has backpedaled that position since she thought it seemed like a viable mislynch today.

Basically the perfect example of this is her position on Mario in this game she won as scum: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Just do ctrl+f on Mario and watch the constant back and forth on her positions

Starts by shading Mario
then she calls Mario town
Asks mario questions
gives a very weird "mafia/town" read
then goes back to Mario town
Finally, she wins the game by lynching Mario

How did GR win that game? How did she get away with flipping her position on the slot that many times?

She waits for 2-3 people to say someone they are willing to lynch
Then she just happens to agree with the position of the other players
GR started out this dayphase pushing Creature because she thought you, TBG, and Ank would get on board for a Creature mislynch.
TBG has been gone though, and you softened your stance on Creature, so eventually she shifted back over to Vax since that's the more likely lynch to go through. Why was GR on Creature today? Because you said you would be willing to mislynch him. Why did GR change to Vax? Because you didn't actually stick to what you said yesterday.

In short, just like literally everything else this game, this is exactly how GR played scum in Open 632.

Please get on board with lynching GR today. I'm basically begging you at this point Mylo. Vax is not the best lynch today. He is scummy but he is just not even in the same ballpark as GR. Every time you switch away from GR I feel physically nauseous.

For Krazy's eyes only thanks

Spoiler:

I know, I know but just AHH. Like I dunno if I can forgive myself if we lose because we mislynched GR, especially if Vax is scum here after all. But I guess we do need to go through the Poe.

Also, what do you think of Vax going for Sky? I mean there's a medium chance Sky is scum here but more for Vax and no one would give him points for bussing his partner here. Do you think maybe Vax/GR?

VOTE: GR

[Myloninja13]

BTW I think I've offically reached the point where I have no idea what to do to haha.

[Golden Robster]

Ahhh fine

VOTE: Vax

Sorry Krazy but I really don't think GR has a higher chance of flipping scum here

where did this all go

[Myloninja13]

Ahhh fine

VOTE: Vax

Sorry Krazy but I really don't think GR has a higher chance of flipping scum here

where did this all go

When I realised I had no idea what I was doing lol

[Golden Robster]

lets be clear that you are sheeping a conf!biased player on a read that you aren't entirely sure about since you are flip-flopping right now

why not consolidate onto vax if you're more sure about it?

[Golden Robster]

this game is killing my soul

@mylo are you actually blind? why would scum!gamma counter-wagon me when he had other viable players as wagons?

Spoiler:

vax,

dunn

, tbg,

creature

. major red flages there they resisted the wheme lynch HARD. very suspicious of all of these players.

lalendra

, jarjar, robster,

gamma

are players im very suspicious of based on individual play.

if you're not named your either town or null.

potential scum on wagon

bit curious if people are suspecting me based off my voting circumstances, if so how does "his claim and the referenced meta make no sense" not make sense? I saw a major inconsistency wrt his reactions between games so I pressed it

bit curious if people are suspecting me based off my voting circumstances, if so how does "his claim and the referenced meta make no sense" not make sense? I saw a major inconsistency wrt his reactions between games so I pressed it

you didn't seem really invested in that wagon and then you soft-defended whemestar by acting pro-town

Hi, no one has justified this Wheme wagon yet
Someone do so or I'll be all over that wagon on a wheme townflip

wheme has posted on site within the last half hour.

LE YAWN
I've known others who would inadvertently not post in a game where they were near lynch as town (Aristophanes in his team mafia game anyone?)
tell me how this case is scum-indicative?

wagon make-up doesn't really help
talk about what wheme has done, not other people

So, you got your Doctor PM. You saw the Innocent Child announcement. You saw some mason claims and you didn't scratch your head at the idea that town is over-powered?

Doc + masons + IC is overpowered? idr think so

you only started talking about meta after the wagon had ran up with a decent amount of votes

The wagon always had a ton of votes
and I didn't like the way it just seemed to always go to him, sorta the same logic that made me dislike the performer wagon
also I think you may have the timeline wrong, I never voted wheme until I noted the inconsistency

activity isn't alignment indicative and meta is shit reasoning

It is for Creature
and MU uses meta a lot and has significantly improved winrates to ms so I disagree with that

activity isn't alignment indicative and meta is shit reasoning

also this following the massive sample size is reading as a "nuh-uh you're wrong"

The wagon always had a ton of votes
and I didn't like the way it just seemed to always go to him, sorta the same logic that made me dislike the performer wagon
also I think you may have the timeline wrong, I never voted wheme until I noted the inconsistency

fair enough

what do you think about dun right now?

I already said what my thoughts on him have been throughout the game
could you give a small case on dunn? And I promise to actually pay attention for it.

Well it's a very easy to agree with stance, that's why it SHOULDN'T get a free pass. I don't SR mylo, in fact I think he's just barely on my townside, but I dislike foolish play.

mylo feels lynchbaity if anything

this is true
but that doesn't mean he should get a pass for a very easy gamestate analysis.

why do u disagree and why did you sheep tbg on texcat lynch?

I disagree because I don't see what's really scummy about it, like it's kinda dumb to suggest someone go against their own perspective like that but does dumb really equal scum in this case? As for tex, after someone mentioned their lack of content, I decided to do some meta, and from the meta I felt that the lack-of-content point was valid, along with noting just a general behavioral trend between this game and tex's scumgame I checked

not deflecting off main wagons

texcat is a main wagon you wingnut

gamma you're actually blind

TBG wagon was at L-2 and he hardclaimed; JJD gave intent to hammer

how is that not the main wagon?

Um I'm not sure about the exact number but you did see the tex wagon gained a considerable amount of votes right? I think that counts as a main wagon

VOTE: Golden Robster
I don't understand people backing off of this, why, because he gave up and self-voted? That's a pot of WiFoM and you know it.

go w this VOTE: Vaxkiller

Really dislike his last posts. Like he's trying to tell me to not join his wagon or else he's gonna join mine.

why jump off GR?

w/e none of what you're saying is making sense to me
I'd like everyone to tell me why what Krazy is saying about GR isn't a good reason to lynch GR if they think that

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

why do you scumread me and what are your reads currently?

I scumread you because you've consistently felt bad, and your behavior around your wagon today was scummy.

okay gamma I think you’re scum

I don’t know this beeboy person but if you flip town I’ll townread you

get this day over and done with

This needs to die when I flip though
I am pretty much THE counter to this guy

why do you scumread me and what are your reads currently?

I scumread you because you've consistently felt bad, and your behavior around your wagon today was scummy.

oh come on Gamma, you’re better than this

literally if I try and go onto any other wagon people are going to be shouting “survivalistic” and raising their pitchforks at me

that’s not a good enough reason and being consistently bad =/= being scum

I mean your little AtE WiFoM self-vote thing

[Myloninja13]

AHHHH Sorry okay i dunno what to do like AHHHH I just whyy AHH

UNVOTE: for now because I have to sleep but AHHHH you guys make this game hard for me

[Ircher]

Starting Day 10 (if this game continues that long), prod timers will be 28 hours on weekdays (Tuesday-Friday) and 36 hours on weekends (Saturday-Monday). This change is being made to keep the game running at a healthy pace given the 7 day deadlines.

If 28 hours is too short, please pm me, and I'll try to work something out with you; nonetheless, the new prod timers are intended to force at least one post a day from players while still allowing flexibility.

[Ankamius]

I'm still here, just waiting on TBG's thoughts

[Krazy]

GR stop pretending like I've said anything about you. I'm trying to have a private conversation with Mylo here! Rude!

(Ok Mylo I wrote something else for you here)

Spoiler:

You're worried about mislynching GR for loss, but that's not possible for two reasons. First, GR is scum so that won't be a mislynch. Second, scum had 3 prs and we have 0 investigatives, which basically means there is no way there is a traitor or a 6th goon or this setup would not have made it past review. Today is not mylo. But, if we lynch Vax now, there is a risk (not a certainty) that it will be, which means that if you are WRONG on Vax, you are putting your faith in me anyway, since I am not voting anyone other than GR until she is lynched. So if you aren't 100% on Vax, you should resolve me vs. GR today so that I can give more input on other wagons.

It's also the case that GR is a very strong scum player at the top of her game in the situation that is most engaging for her. Lynching the scum carry is WAY more important than lynching GR's buddy here.

But you're right. This is a complicated game. So let's...



Now, you also should be asking yourself here, who were the strongest town players this game? Who should you be listening to?
Is it TBG? Ank? Me?

No. None of us got the most important scum flip, which was Wheme. The people who carried us this game were players like Flavor Leaf and Penguin Power.

GR was Flavor Leaf's #2 scumread when he died--and he was the first TPR to die, which suggests his death had something to do with his play. FL wanted GR way back on d2 2774 and his case was "whishy washy stances" 2778 -- Flavor Leaf died first, because Flavor Leaf was willing to call GR out on her constant flips on her reads. That "flip flopping" has gotten extremely worse since then. Remember, my case on GR is not based on meta. I use meta to highlight the similarity to her scum play and the difference from her town play. But in and of itself, just looking at this game, going through GR on Texcat or Creature--this is not a town progression. No one flips this many times on reads if they are town. NOT EVEN TCHILL is this inconsistent.

And Penguin Power also wanted GR gone in 2772, 2775

Remember, these were the two strongest town players -- stronger than me, TBG, or Ank -- and they were both nightkilled because of their play to some extent (with Flavor Leaf also being a TPR, but one among three claimed TPRs--and Penguin Power was killed OVER TPRs because of his play)

So instead of wondering "what if I throw the game by lynching Vax" -- first of all, this is impossible. And second of all, how do you survive the graveyard when EVERY MASON HAS SAID GR IS SCUM

Tchill, Wave, Flavor Leaf, Hopkirk... ALL of them said GR was scum.

READ THE OTHER STRONG PLAYERS. Read the people who ACTUALLY SOLVED THIS GAME.

GR will keep parroting Ank's argument that I'm confbiased, but remember, she doesn't need to make that argument to the masons, because she killed them.

Also remember you do not need to feel like you are simply "sheeping the dead" -- Flavor Leaf's case, that GR has been wishy washy this game and has reads that are incoherent and inconsistent from a town POV--has grown DRAMATICALLY stronger since Flavor Leaf was killed. ctrl+f "Creature" in GR's iso on pages 2 or 3... it is a MESS. This is not scum-hunting. This is tailoring your reads to the needs of the day's lynch. This is as close as GR gets to flailing.