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[Toranaga]

let me explain the hood thing again

we have 4 hoods: 4, 3, 3, 3

the one with the lower chance of having a wolf majority is the one with 4

the hood with 4 players is also the most likely to benefit town on n1 considering what others claimed so far (I think; it's definitely better than our power for this night)

we want all 4 hood members voting

if we choose this hood for powers and lynch inside the hood, we have a higher chance of turning that hood into a wolf majority. which would suck opening a power there that's in control of scum.

this is extremely easy to figure out. we're not lynching anon and I don't like any of you pushing her. she might be scum, but she is not a good lynch today.

[Toranaga]

"o but im so good mafia player my reads blebleble" no you're not, and even if you were, we cannot just sheep you and hope you're right. I'm not doing that.

[Toranaga]

I'm not trying to townlead or anything, this is just my opinion

[Toranaga]

You townread me, correct? Don't you see the contradicitons in Tora's scumread on me? And don't you find it weird when I brought it up to him twice directly both times he tried to ignore it because he knows I'm right?

ZIE CONTRADICTIONZ

[Toranaga]

I scumread kokichi cause he is typing to his keyboard more than he was everytime he was town with me

that's the whole extent of it

[Toranaga]

I hadn't made any reads. In fact most of my posts at that point had been filler or voting without context (which according to him should be a town trait of mine.)

And I think the neighborhood thing isn't something that's worth looking into. I think a mislynch in a mislynch, it doesn't matter how many in the hood.

no mate

you're just wrong here, I promise you my sweet sweet prince

[Toranaga]

mechanics are there for us to exploit them, right?

find the scum that's not in that hood

I'm offering myself up. string me up idc. but activate that hood. and then kill RC for me cause it'll be fun.

[BuJaber]

Ehhhhh
I don't think it's as bad as you think even if they did control the vote.
The only bad scenario would be if anon is town and we lynched her and ALL the remaining 3 are scum.

If only 1 scum they won't control the vote.

That leaves 2 scum left 1 town. They all vote. Let's assume for worst case scenario vote is secret. Do you think the mod will not tell them who became town leader? Like if the result of their action is known to them, then the 1 townie will know for a fact they didn't vote for the agreed target and he/she can call them out for it and even if they died they take down 2 scum with them.

Let's say kill him n1 so he can't call them out on it. Also looks suspicious as hell.

Let's say they don't know if their action is successful or not or who actually gets targeted. If for some reason mod doesn't tell them who became the leader... well we can just ask who they voted for and worse case scenario is they have a scum TPR who we know is a TPR and we will watch very carefully for any signs of scumminess.

[Toranaga]

it's WIFOM if the kill happens there

scum outside of that hood will wanna kill on that hood as well

they will kill inside that hood, we can't reduce those numbers brother

[Toranaga]

like if anon is scum and we removed scum on the hood, that's so great

but if we remove town, there's a real danger we're just giving scum powers

and even if it's only 1/4 scum there, the influence a scum player has on a 3 player hood is superior to a 4 player hood

there's so many reasons to do not lynch there. we can't ever lynch in the hood we're giving powers to unless we have a guilty.

man I wish FA subbed into this lol

[AnonymousGhost]

Do you think the mod will not tell them who became town leader?

TOU ARE CLEARLY NOT READING THE THHREAD

[AnonymousGhost]

In our hood, we can vote for someone to become an

anonymous

town leader with special powers.

[Toranaga]

yeah don't need to chastise him for it, it's one word in a 31 page thread

will the leader know he is leader? sure, right?

we don't know what leader does and what their powers are so we need to test this ability anyway I think

if the leader knows they're leader, we'll have cross claims from the voters and the leader voted so we'll always know who is leader. there's really no need for it to be mod announced.

[AnonymousGhost]

Conf bias makes me question how he could forget it when he literally asked me what happens if scum becomes town leader.

[BuJaber]

There's WIFOM in every kill man.

Heck you're even assuming that scum would even want the town leader's powers. They might just not care for WIFOM.

Like scum either has majority in the hood or they have minority in the head and so they kill in it. You literally can't have it both ways because math.


So if we assume scum are outside and they kill in it to make us want to lynch them then that means that town had majority vote for town leader and so you can rest easy.

And if scum is majority in the hood they won't kill inside it because that pretty much guarantees we lynch scum when we lynch inside their hood.

Is this a better explanation?


Pedit - yes that's what I'm thinking as well. Leader will be known eventually without much effort.

[Toranaga]

Conf bias makes me question how he could forget it when he literally asked me what happens if scum becomes town leader.

idk why but I'm starting to see why people scumread you

[AnonymousGhost]

I get that a lot.

[Toranaga]

look, buj, let's do this in a different way

wanna kill inside the hood? sure let's do it, but then don't activate that hood. if we kill inside that hood and it's a townflip, that hood will be the more likely to have scum in it relatively speaking (and wait for it cause I know this is a mathematical fallacy), as long as the host didn't literally rand the hood from scum/town without any "balancing" adjustment. if the host has any bias to spread the scum members alongside the hoods, the 4 player hood that loses a member with a town lynch will be the most likely to have at least one scum in it. as the other hoods will also all be 3 members, we should pick one of them instead.

does that make any sense?

[Toranaga]

I get that a lot.

I just feel you're bugging him for a minor thing that isn't alignment indicative. you're being very defensive but maybe in your place, being the top wagon, I would be too. so I'm not reading too much into it.

[Toranaga]

I need

the worst
FA
idk, sakura with any will to play

someone like that to be in this game

[BuJaber]

Yes that does make sense.

I suppose it's just a judgement call you're going to have to make.

Because the other argument is the longer you wait to make someone town leader, the less use we get out of that power.

So it's about balancing. And seeing as there's arguments for both sides, when we actually have an SR in that group there's not enough reason to not lynch them.

Like objectively we're disagreeing with the strategy aspect of it yes? Let's say the pros and cons of lynching are about even. Heck let's say the cons are slightly higher which is your opinion. I still have the subjective argument to vote for anon on top of this.

Pedit - who's FA?

[Toranaga]

it's a very interesting thing where we pick the 4 player hood because it's the most likely to have the town majority in it, but once a player is removed and flips town, picking any other is better cause this is suddenly the one that's most likely to have a scum majority

[Toranaga]

if you wanna flip anon, let's just pick another hood to activate. it's ~fine. I was tunneling the idea of using that hood cause I think we wanna know what the leader does but oh well.

FA is frozen angel and she'd be obsessing over mechanics with me since you guys don't wanna do it.

[Toranaga]

it's a very interesting thing where we pick the 4 player hood because it's

the least likely to have a scum majority in it

, but once a player is removed and flips town, picking any other is better cause this is suddenly the one that's most likely to have a scum majority

FMP

[BuJaber]

Well we have a minimum of 4 lurkers / quiet people .. eventually the people actually talking run out of ideas/steam/motivation and you end up with a gamestate like this.

But it's day 1. Have some optimism.