A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Innocent Children]

Why?

because clearly the fact that you didn't means you found your true passion!

I’m still looking but whatever is or is not my passion isn’t really relevant to this game, I would think. I did do a minor in psych, so maybe that could be.

[Invisibility]

nos was also joking fwieajailjfs

[jjh927]

This whole thing was Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, IC.

Well, Nos would be very wrong about that then.

I mean, you didn't pick up on random's fairly obvious joke and took it seriously, and then you still didn't really pick up on it when 2-3 people insisted it was a joke, then you didn't pick up on Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, twice.

Oh and the savage thing was me saying that Nos was being a savage and also because he flavourclaimed A it was wordplay

So your track record is pretty bad rn, I've got to say

[jjh927]

Oh three times

[Titus]

If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was

me, dio

scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

P-pardon me but c-can't the role have added power to it if she lynches a teammate o-or it's just worded like that so she looks good on a role cop? F-for all we know I think the claim is n-nai and it's not like scum mastina w-wouldn't claim it. I-I do think you believe this argument though! You could work in our cafe i-if you wanted that is...

mfw I misclick 1 color over-I mean o-oh deary me whoopsie!
Pedit: I-it can be worded like that to j-just look nice on a rolecop along with having other parts of the role n-no? I don't see why she'd claim that as town in the first place! ...Well it is Mastina

Why are we talking about rolecops? Let marina's claim sort itself, like any Miller claim. I think the simplest solution is Mastina is lying rather than a risk a mislynch 1 shot cop deal. The role makes no sense = probably a lie, sort why later.

[jjh927]

Titus, the role makes plenty of sense and it's not a miller

[Innocent Children]

This whole thing was Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, IC.

Well, Nos would be very wrong about that then.

I mean, you didn't pick up on random's fairly obvious joke and took it seriously, and then you still didn't really pick up on it when 2-3 people insisted it was a joke, then you didn't pick up on Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, twice.

Oh and the savage thing was me saying that Nos was being a savage and also because he flavourclaimed A it was wordplay

So your track record is pretty bad rn, I've got to say

As I said to Nos, you’d be very wrong about that.

As for rn, yeah probably. I usually make up for it later.

[Invisibility]

what is mastina claims a guilty on every user

[Invisibility]

if*

[Invisibility]

like individually

[jjh927]

What if the scumteam surrender d1

[Innocent Children]

If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was

me, dio

scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

P-pardon me but c-can't the role have added power to it if she lynches a teammate o-or it's just worded like that so she looks good on a role cop? F-for all we know I think the claim is n-nai and it's not like scum mastina w-wouldn't claim it. I-I do think you believe this argument though! You could work in our cafe i-if you wanted that is...

mfw I misclick 1 color over-I mean o-oh deary me whoopsie!
Pedit: I-it can be worded like that to j-just look nice on a rolecop along with having other parts of the role n-no? I don't see why she'd claim that as town in the first place! ...Well it is Mastina

Why are we talking about rolecops? Let marina's claim sort itself, like any Miller claim. I think the simplest solution is Mastina is lying rather than a risk a mislynch 1 shot cop deal. The role makes no sense = probably a lie, sort why later.

My role in my recent MU game made no sense but why do you think she’s lying? I will say that she did lie in Minuet about her role. She fakeclaimed D3 IC iirc? but was in actuality mafia vig, so I would definitely think it’s wise to take hers and probably most early claims with a grain of salt.

[Invisibility]

What if the scumteam surrender d1

is it really that ludicrous of an idea?

[Innocent Children]

Hi, this is Disquieted. I'll endeavour to be the one signing our posts, so if you see an unsigned post, it's 90% from Nancy.

I'll look at this a bit later. Kinda busy.

[Titus]

If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was

me, dio

scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

P-pardon me but c-can't the role have added power to it if she lynches a teammate o-or it's just worded like that so she looks good on a role cop? F-for all we know I think the claim is n-nai and it's not like scum mastina w-wouldn't claim it. I-I do think you believe this argument though! You could work in our cafe i-if you wanted that is...

mfw I misclick 1 color over-I mean o-oh deary me whoopsie!
Pedit: I-it can be worded like that to j-just look nice on a rolecop along with having other parts of the role n-no? I don't see why she'd claim that as town in the first place! ...Well it is Mastina

Why are we talking about rolecops? Let marina's claim sort itself, like any Miller claim. I think the simplest solution is Mastina is lying rather than a risk a mislynch 1 shot cop deal. The role makes no sense = probably a lie, sort why later.

My role in my recent MU game made no sense but why do you think she’s lying? I will say that she did lie in Minuet about her role. She fakeclaimed D3 IC iirc? but was in actuality mafia vig, so I would definitely think it’s wise to take hers and probably most early claims with a grain of salt.

Occam's Razor. If a role provides no utility for town in any theory, then it's scum. If there's no scum utility, it's probably town. Those suppose honesty. Yet marina's claim makes zero sense for town as claimed. It does not help scum either. Given mods do not design roles that lack utility, we're looking at mastina lying about some part of her claim or something novel that mastina role counters.

[Gamma Emerald]

This whole thing was Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, IC.

Well, Nos would be very wrong about that then.

I mean, you didn't pick up on random's fairly obvious joke and took it seriously, and then you still didn't really pick up on it when 2-3 people insisted it was a joke, then you didn't pick up on Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, twice.

Oh and the savage thing was me saying that Nos was being a savage and also because he flavourclaimed A it was wordplay

So your track record is pretty bad rn, I've got to say

It’s still ND39 posting right? I recall her saying she had trouble with that in Heroes Wanted

[jjh927]

Find a single instance of me lying about my role as scum.

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not automatic; I have to manually trigger it.

Ayyyyyyyyyyy

Thanks IC, that was super helpful

[Gamma Emerald]

what is mastina claims a guilty on every user

if*

like individually

This would never happen. It’s tactically suicidal dude. Why are you agonizing over an impossibility?

[Vaxkiller]

Sorry for getting a scum role chickadee!

[Invisibility]

what is mastina claims a guilty on every user

if*

like individually

This would never happen. It’s tactically suicidal dude. Why are you agonizing over an impossibility?

to confirm the role?

[Invisibility]

if someone gets gladiated yay we found a town and a scum

[Gamma Emerald]

what is mastina claims a guilty on every user

if*

like individually

This would never happen. It’s tactically suicidal dude. Why are you agonizing over an impossibility?

to confirm the role?

HOW? The role only confirms if it targets TOWN if Mastina’s claim is true.

if someone gets gladiated yay we found a town and a scum

HOOOOOW? You’re reading the role wrong what even-

[Vaxkiller]

I was expecting a troll role when I submitted my picks, and hoh boy did RC not disappoint.

I am Ginngie, Hated Loyal Gladiator

.
Outside of lylo/mylo (which is purely by the numbers, per the role wording), I take one less vote to lynch.
I can gladiate anyone by claiming a guilty on them, but if they're not town-aligned, it'll fail.

I can maybe, MAYBE use this as a conditional cop, IF we can no-lynch after a gladiate (I need to ask RC about this), but if not, yeahhhhh...

The town mastina I know asks questions first, I don't liek this.

[Vaxkiller]

Find a single instance of me lying about my role as scum.
I'll help.

It's always a politicians lie tho.

[jjh927]

Find a single instance of me lying about my role as scum.

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not automatic; I have to manually trigger it.

Ayyyyyyyyyyy

Thanks IC, that was super helpful