Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

[Shoshin]

varsoon is town

Why?

[Kokichi Oma]

varsoon is town

Please explain this with actually reasons.

[skitter30]

yeah i actually went back and checked if my role pm was red because i didn't remember and it was so i don't get what he's trying to say

[Varsoon]

@Skitter: I have a hard townread on Reck. Furthermore, I didn't like the way the gacha votes were going and wanted to throw a wrench in that. Even furthermore, I knew the positions re: Reckoner and Gatcha and knew if I came in with a starkly different opinion that it would create discussion and game momentum. It's the best way for me to get involved in the game, too, because before these last few posts I haven't really been engaged.

I read the whole game when it happened but have not since returned to it.

I'm not saying you are pocketed, just that it stinks of testing a pocket--like seeing how far you'd townread a claimed townread.

Shoshin's rhetoric (both in explaining their own play and convincing others) has been very straightforward--I 100% believe that Shoshin saw Reck write that he wasn't reading and took that to be literally true. Shoshin did not push Reck for further game engagement or read the 'not reading' thing as a strat to not engage with a few pages of content; Shoshin seems to, again, have just taken it literally.

[SirCakez]

His casing and attack are genuine (his reasons aren't great but that's not really important).
I don't believe Varsoon as scum would put himself out this far this early.

[RadiantCowbells]

why do you have a hard townread on reck for anything they've done in this game.

[SirCakez]

The stuff about the red role PM is silly. I feel like half the mods on MS don't use a consistent green town/red scum role PM scheme. I didn't even notice it and I haven't played in months.

[Kokichi Oma]

I have a hard townread on Reck. Furthermore, I didn't like the way the gacha votes were going and wanted to throw a wrench in that. Even furthermore, I knew the positions re: Reckoner and Gatcha and knew if I came in with a starkly different opinion that it would create discussion and game momentum.

This is kind of a contradiciton? Because you're saying that you townread him. So why should it matter why you put the gacha vote. But, then you state later you just voted him for it to create a discussion. But, you still aren't even explaining why you townread reck

[Varsoon]

why do you have a hard townread on reck for anything they've done in this game.

Doublevoter claim in face of hated claim, disengaged play
Also re: the gacha situation when I came in just a bit earlier.

[Kokichi Oma]

The stuff about the red role PM is silly. I feel like half the mods on MS don't use a consistent green town/red scum role PM scheme. I didn't even notice it and I haven't played in months.

That's cause you're likely scum (kidding kinda). But, besides that. What does this have to do with Varsoon being town?

[Varsoon]

I have a hard townread on Reck. Furthermore, I didn't like the way the gacha votes were going and wanted to throw a wrench in that. Even furthermore, I knew the positions re: Reckoner and Gatcha and knew if I came in with a starkly different opinion that it would create discussion and game momentum.

This is kind of a contradiciton? Because you're saying that you townread him. So why should it matter why you put the gacha vote. But, then you state later you just voted him for it to create a discussion. But, you still aren't even explaining why you townread reck

The fuck I gotta explain a townread for?
And it's hardly a contradiction to townread someone and gacha vote someone and say that I did it all to also create discussion.
I don't ever have to claim any of my reads and I could've held my gacha vote, too.
C'mon, step it up senpai. You're too busy tryin'a poke holes in me that you're just looking desperate.

[Kokichi Oma]

why do you have a hard townread on reck for anything they've done in this game.

Doublevoter claim in face of hated claim, disengaged play
Also re: the gacha situation when I came in just a bit earlier.

So what's the reason a double voter comes from town and a hated comes from scum? And not viceversa or both being town?

[Kokichi Oma]

why do you have a hard townread on reck for anything they've done in this game.

Doublevoter claim in face of hated claim, disengaged play
Also re: the gacha situation when I came in just a bit earlier.

I have a hard townread on Reck. Furthermore, I didn't like the way the gacha votes were going and wanted to throw a wrench in that. Even furthermore, I knew the positions re: Reckoner and Gatcha and knew if I came in with a starkly different opinion that it would create discussion and game momentum.

This is kind of a contradiciton? Because you're saying that you townread him. So why should it matter why you put the gacha vote. But, then you state later you just voted him for it to create a discussion. But, you still aren't even explaining why you townread reck

The fuck I gotta explain a townread for?

And it's hardly a contradiction to townread someone and gacha vote someone and say that I did it all to also create discussion.
I don't ever have to claim any of my reads and I could've held my gacha vote, too.
C'mon, step it up senpai. You're too busy tryin'a poke holes in me that you're just looking desperate.

[Varsoon]

VArsoon's posting is so bad. Him trying to case me is hilarious cause it's so bad. I can't tell if it's just cause it's early game and he's just grasping at whatever he can or if it's because he's scum. What do you think RC?

Also don't like this jockeying up to RC.
It's obvious RC is present and will offer thoughts if they are worth posting, you don't need that last line.

[Kokichi Oma]

Funny cause you just did.

[Kokichi Oma]

VArsoon's posting is so bad. Him trying to case me is hilarious cause it's so bad. I can't tell if it's just cause it's early game and he's just grasping at whatever he can or if it's because he's scum. What do you think RC?

Also don't like this jockeying up to RC.
It's obvious RC is present and will offer thoughts if they are worth posting, you don't need that last line.

Maybe because I'm trying to get a read form RC as well and I've had no interaction with him so far. I think you're really grasping at straws here.

[SirCakez]

The stuff about the red role PM is silly. I feel like half the mods on MS don't use a consistent green town/red scum role PM scheme. I didn't even notice it and I haven't played in months.

That's cause you're likely scum (kidding kinda). But, besides that. What does this have to do with Varsoon being town?

Nothing, I'm just saying it's silly. My reasoning for Varsoon town is higher up.

Also doublevoter and hated aren't AI, mods can easily put limits on those so that they don't make scum OP. I have myself b4. TRing Reck for that is BS.

[RadiantCowbells]

that reck townread feels really terrible and like an attempt to pocket someone that based on your past experiences with Reckoner in his prime would be a threat.

[Shoshin]

Varsoon's scum because he thinks that Kokichi's faking a townslip when the natural interpretation of Kokichi's beahvior is that he's just commenting on the color, which isn't indicative either way. Varsoon's logic comes from the scum perspective of someone who himself wanted to fake a townslip by commenting on the red color, then saw that someone else already commented on the red color, and so interpreted that behavior as scummy because it was something he himself wanted to do as scum. No townie would ever interpret Kokichi's behavior as a "scummy fake townslip," it just doesn't make any sense unless Varsoon himself is scum who had that instinct himself.

The Reck townread is crap, too.

[Varsoon]

The difference is that you're acting like it's some scum thing not to explain why you townread someone any time you come out and say you believe someone is town
Radiant looked like they actually wanted to know my position re:Reck, you just look like you're trying to paint me in a negative light
There's a hard line between:
"why do you have a hard townread on reck"
and
"you still aren't even explaining why you townread reck"

P-EDIT:
Why do you care about building interactions?
RC has some of the most content in the game so far, why do you want to build an interaction there, what does it get you?

[Shoshin]

And calling me gullible betrays an informed perspective or an attempt to discredit me... there's no way a townie thinks I'm "gullible" at this stage in the game, just doesn't make any sense.

[skitter30]

@Skitter: I have a hard townread on Reck. Furthermore, I didn't like the way the gacha votes were going and wanted to throw a wrench in that. Even furthermore, I knew the positions re: Reckoner and Gatcha and knew if I came in with a starkly different opinion that it would create discussion and game momentum. It's the best way for me to get involved in the game, too, because before these last few posts I haven't really been engaged.

I read the whole game when it happened but have not since returned to it.

I'm not saying you are pocketed, just that it stinks of testing a pocket--like seeing how far you'd townread a claimed townread.

Shoshin's rhetoric (both in explaining their own play and convincing others) has been very straightforward--I 100% believe that Shoshin saw Reck write that he wasn't reading and took that to be literally true. Shoshin did not push Reck for further game engagement or read the 'not reading' thing as a strat to not engage with a few pages of content; Shoshin seems to, again, have just taken it literally.

yeah ok i asked about reading the whole game cuz you voted him just after he posted and than you cased his whole iso so i was wondering if you had just read his iso after voting him and were looking for things to scumread him for or if you were kinda keeping along as things progressed and the timing was kinda coincidental

i don't townread him strongly; more like i think the things he's done are more likely to have come from town and at this stage it's enough to move him up out of null but it isn't strong or anything

i'm basically townreading him for the very reason your'e scumreading him (the tie-gacha thing) so i'm not sure what to make of the fact that you have such a viscerally different reaction to the same set of events

i think shoshin is very sincere and insightful tbh; i'm not really sure why you're getting gullible here really

i also think tonally you feel kinda ??? but i think i've misread you on tone before (for quite a lot of splatoon mafia) so i prob shoudln't put much stock in that tbh

[Varsoon]

Varsoon's scum because he thinks that Kokichi's faking a townslip when the natural interpretation of Kokichi's beahvior is that he's just commenting on the color, which isn't indicative either way. Varsoon's logic comes from the scum perspective of someone who himself wanted to fake a townslip by commenting on the red color, then saw that someone else already commented on the red color, and so interpreted that behavior as scummy because it was something he himself wanted to do as scum. No townie would ever interpret Kokichi's behavior as a "scummy fake townslip," it just doesn't make any sense unless Varsoon himself is scum who had that instinct himself.

The Reck townread is crap, too.

So if you've figured all this out, why didn't I mention any of that in my first several posts?
It's a minor part of my case, regardless.
Also, I don't care what you think of my reads, keep incendiary opinions to yourself.
Don't take being gullible so personally, either--as town, I know you're extra gullible how much you're playing into this 'varsoon is scum' rubbish

[skitter30]

And calling me gullible

betrays an informed perspective or an attempt to discredit me

... there's no way a townie thinks I'm "gullible" at this stage in the game, just doesn't make any sense.

i was kinda thinking that too tbh

he seems pretty solid on you being town, just that he doesn't really trust ur thinking

but idk why he's townreading you that strongly

[Varsoon]

@Skitter: Oh! You meant this game! I thought you meant the previous game with the Adventure Zone flavor. Yes--I've also been reading this entire game as it's been posted.

I guess that I've played the 'lets discuss this mechanic's best use' card a lot as scum (see: Color Mafia games) and I've seen scum do it a lot early-game in my own public-mechanic heavy games, so it's a strategy I tend to associate with scum.

Shoshin is for sure sincere, but I feel like they're not looking beyond what people are saying at face-value.

Sorry if my tone is weird--I'm probably gonna be really weird this game in general since I'm working full time which is usually not something I've done while playing mafia. So we'll see how it goes.