Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

[Irrelephant11]

what about what you quotes is pinging you?
I don't see any reason to assume Kokichi didn't know how many votes it took to hammer - I think he just failed to mention L-1

[Irrelephant11]

*quoted

[skitter30]

because i can't tell if he thought he was hammering or not

[Gamma Emerald]

i read up to page 7 then realized nothing was happening so i skipped the last 4 pages

yea im a doublevoter but only for the first person i vote each day

So this gives you incentive to votepark :fry:

[Gamma Emerald]

Gachapon vote: xRECKONERx

Now that that's out of the way.
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
I don't like you asking for gacha votes.

I saw this mentioned earlier and yeah Varsoon continuing to push Kokichi for essentially roleplaying isn’t a good look

[xyzzy]

this is xyzzy, your moderator, your best friend, and your obsessive food logger. this is my life now.

votecount 1.23

4 players voting for Gammagooey (SirCakez, Nosferatu, Porkens, Kokichi Oma)
3 players voting for xRECKONERx (Gamma Emerald, northsidegal, Irrelephant11)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (xRECKONERx, xRECKONERx)
1 player voting for Irrelephant11 (Varsoon)
1 player voting for Varsoon (Shoshin)
1 player voting for SirCakez (Gammagooey)
1 player voting for skitter30 (Creature)

1 player not voting for lynch (skitter30)

with 14 votes, it takes 8 to lynch.

4 players voting for Shoshin for Fantasy Gachapon (Irrelephant11, Gammagooey, skitter30, Gamma Emerald)
2 players voting for xRECKONERx for Fantasy Gachapon (Varsoon, xRECKONERx)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma for Fantasy Gachapon (Kokichi Oma)
1 player voting for Gamma Emerald for Fantasy Gachapon (Shoshin)

5 players not voting for Fantasy Gachapon (northsidegal, Porkens, Nosferatu, Creature, SirCakez)

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-09-24 17:09:00)

mod notes:

[Gamma Emerald]

Reck's my choice. I don't care if it's a good choice. The fact that my choice doesn't seem like a good choice to you makes me that much more sure that I want to go with my choice.

Yeah I think Varsoon is scum. He has a particular arrogance here that is similar to a past game I’ve played with him (no name drop because no one would get it). He seemed especially arrogant in pushing his mislynch of choice that game (drealmerz7).

[Gamma Emerald]

'cus I saw my role PM was red-fonted and thought it was a scum PM at first, myself.
You insisting that's the mod color and all that feels like a weird justification.

Are you saying that isn’t zedzee’s mod color?
Oh god saying zedzee made me figuratively hurl a little

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: A pretty clear case of Kokichi trying to look town by discussing best practices for a public mechanic while also pushing himself for the public mechanic powerup because he's the only one he knows is town amirite

What does everyone think about my gacha idea of tying?

@mod does gacha winner get announced in thread in the event of a tie

Well that ruins the tie thought I had.

vote: kokichi for gacha

I only trust myself so far.

Great, vote me to receive gacha

And I didn't ask, I demanded. To someone who says they think I'm town. If they think I'm town, they shouldn't mind voting me for gacha votes. Why are you trying to mispaint the picture here?

It looks bad out of context maybe
But in context it’s sensible and you trying to play to the out of context badness is scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

varsoon is town

Oh fuck wait Cakez is in the game someone would get the name drop
Cakez, I think Varsoon’s play is similar to in pieguyn game, thoughts?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a hard townread on Reck. Furthermore, I didn't like the way the gacha votes were going and wanted to throw a wrench in that. Even furthermore, I knew the positions re: Reckoner and Gatcha and knew if I came in with a starkly different opinion that it would create discussion and game momentum.

This is kind of a contradiciton? Because you're saying that you townread him. So why should it matter why you put the gacha vote. But, then you state later you just voted him for it to create a discussion. But, you still aren't even explaining why you townread reck

The fuck I gotta explain a townread for?
And it's hardly a contradiction to townread someone and gacha vote someone and say that I did it all to also create discussion.
I don't ever have to claim any of my reads and I could've held my gacha vote, too.
C'mon, step it up senpai. You're too busy tryin'a poke holes in me that you're just looking desperate.

Wow you’re an idiot
You just called someone with less mafia experience senpai

[Gammagooey]

Will someone who's voting reck tell me why they think it's a better vote than Porkens

because if you're just basing shit on isos then porkens iso is still the hottest garbage that's ever existed and it feels like everyone's shrugging it off because he's doing zaaany things like 'not reading the game for the first week' and 'making up reads on RC' and I swear it feels like everyone's looking at Porkens with a propeller hat on and going noooooo he's just being silly that couldn't be scum and it feels genuinely ridiculous

[Gamma Emerald]

@Skitter: Oh! You meant this game! I thought you meant the previous game with the Adventure Zone flavor. Yes--I've also been reading this entire game as it's been posted.

I guess that I've played the 'lets discuss this mechanic's best use' card a lot as scum (see: Color Mafia games) and I've seen scum do it a lot early-game in my own public-mechanic heavy games, so it's a strategy I tend to associate with scum.

Shoshin is for sure sincere, but I feel like they're not looking beyond what people are saying at face-value.

Sorry if my tone is weird--I'm probably gonna be really weird this game in general since I'm working full time which is usually not something I've done while playing mafia. So we'll see how it goes.

ye i meant this taz game; i don't know much about the last one

i was comparing ur tone here to splatoon mafia; you were in a hydra and i scumread u there for a while because you have a ... blustery (i guess that's the right word? idk) tone that i kinda auto-scumread because it feels kinda bravado-y to me but i came around eventually and realized it was a personality thing and not an alignment thing

and that's kinda the tone u have here too, except in ur posts towards me which is kinda weird and i don't know what to do with that

i mean i guess that scum can use setup spec as a strategy, yes, but ur using setup spec to scumread kokichi and townread reck so this seems kinda contradictory to me; and i think that his wanting to tie the gacha vote is sincere and town-motivated tbh

Yeah I remember Varsoon’s play there made me consider force-replacing him
But there I feel it wasn’t as standoffish

[Gamma Emerald]

This is very simple. Varsoon is scum because town don't scumread players for doing the same thing they themselves are doing. Town don't scumread players for reacting to something the same way they reacted to it. They just don't.

But when scum "scumhunt," they sometimes suspect players for doing the same things they are doing, or for reacting the same way they did, because the scum believe their own behaviors are scummy and thus tend to see anyone who acts the same way as scummy. I know this is a scum-tell because I've seen scum do it over and over and just caught scum for doing this in a recent game.

In short, I don't see how a townie calls Kokichi scum for commenting on the red color when they themselves reacted exactly the same. Like, I had the same thought ("dam, I got a scum PM, oh wait, I'm town? awesome!") and my immediate instinct when I saw Kokichi say that was to think maybe town and in no universe would I ever have scumread him for that. It just doesn't make sense for a townie to think that way.

I think that's enough to lynch him. So, please, more votes on Varsoon!

This point is very valid imo

[xRECKONERx]

yeah i havent moved my vote bc i dont wanna lose the doublevote just in case it winds up being the RCslot today and honestly nothing else is making me feel real good or passionate and nobody has presented anything resembling a good argument or case as to why i should move my vote

[xRECKONERx]

If anything, irritating town RC to the point of self-destruction is pro-scum.

i agree with this and it's why i voted reck

how are you reading reck right now? maybe it's kind of a tinfoil theory but i feel like there's a decent chance that from the start his whole plan as scum might have been to try to set rc off (given his experience in team mafia)

policy double voting someone from the start of the game just because of their personality seems very odd to me, and it came at a time when there was already something of an rvs wagon there (hence my initial vote)

I think you're town, nsg, but I don't get why you're townreading gamma g, if you are

maybe not a townread

there are people i'd rather lynch and even if he is scum getting bussed for my peace of mind i would rather lynch the scum bussing him first for the scenario in which he isn't scum

i still think reck is scum

these are the only posts ive found that even remotely display why nsg thinks im scum

and it boils down to "reck would use out of game things to force a meltdown to make the game miserable for everyone" which i would not do and am not the type of person who would want to force a miserable experience on myself. the current meta is miserable enough, there's a zero percent chance i would set RC off like that. nor did i think that an RVS policy vote would force RC to have a fucking meltdown and start hurling personal shit around everywhere directed at me

like even in this fantasyland theory, i would have to know that RC would blow up

on me

if i pressed his buttons...so nsg's theory is...what...i got RC to blow up on me by policy voting him so that he would throw a bunch of screaming and anger my way and potentially get me lynched? or what?

i legit was replacing out of the game until the game mod PMed me to ask if id stay if RC was replaced instead. i have never and will never take scum tactics that far

[Gamma Emerald]

If Varsoon is my partner no way in hell I let him bring a case on me that bad, I would actually help him construct one that can actually make some sense, and not one that everyone agrees (besides SirCakez????) is awful.

He has more experience, why would he listen to you?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah i havent moved my vote bc i dont wanna lose the doublevote just in case it winds up being the RCslot today and honestly nothing else is making me feel real good or passionate and nobody has presented anything resembling a good argument or case as to why i should move my vote

This logic is fair tbh
But I don’t really see the lynch swinging my way today and if you’re Town you’re just making a scum lynch harder

[Gamma Emerald]

that reck townread feels really terrible and like an attempt to pocket someone that based on your past experiences with Reckoner in his prime would be a threat.

what the fuckin shit is this

are you referencing varsoon

he has no experience with me. like at all??

This comes as a surprise to me

[Gammagooey]

Hey Gemerald can I get like a 2-3 line summary of how you feel about the game at the moment?

It's kinda hard to tell where your mind's at when I don't know how far through the game you are and how far you've read since you've last posted

[Gamma Emerald]

I've looked at Transformers. It had more than one scum faction and I think Creature's play there has no bearing on his alignment in normal games that don't have multiple factions. And I assume this is more of a normal setup where scum can't actually scumhunt, so he's town until further notice.

I think Gooey has a decent point but because of another game (heroes wanted)
@Gooey in a bit, I have been posting thoughts as I go so maybe that will help

[Porkens]

Hey Gemerald can I get like a 2-3 line summary of how you feel about the game at the moment?

It's kinda hard to tell where your mind's at when I don't know how far through the game you are and how far you've read since you've last posted

"I don't want to read the thread and guess what you think, so just tell me please?"

[Porkens]

Reading his ISO...

VOTE: Reckoner

The more I play forum mafia the more I enjoy last minute wagons

Gamma and Irrelephant

[Kokichi Oma]

because i can't tell if he thought he was hammering or not

I clearly just said I knew the votes. It was right above me. What are you even talking about

[Porkens]

gamma, irrelephant, varsoon?