how good is vonflare at laser tag [game over]

[PenguinPower]

I think it's quite productive actually. is this conversation making you uncomfortable, penguin?

Totally uncomfortable...help me.

I find twilight discussion benefits scum more than town usually.

I don't play larges much so that may differ. However, I refer back to Dunn v. Maria...how is this productive?

it's helping my read on both particularly

scum dunn, from what I know of him, is a lot more awkward than this

scum maria might never get this loud about anything she is actually wrong about on d1 so she might be town tunneling wrong

you lack fire and you're not showing the right suspicious attitude I associate with being town

so yeah I'm enjoying twilight

So you meta read more than you actually read the setup?

Still don't like long-tiger.

[Cobblerfone]

Howdy.

I've only read the first couple pages and since the hammer so far. Dunstral's hammer feels scummy to me but part of that is because -- to me -- it feels sudden. However, if it feels better after reading the two-week build-up to it, I'll revise that read. (this is assuming we haven't already won, which I think is pretty likely.)

Correction: opportunistic rather than sudden.

Do you think that gamma wagon would have disassembled if I hadn't hammered?

IDK. I just got done going through the votecounts and just looking there it seems to come out of nowhere. I'm not quite sure I'm getting why you're asking this question though? Is it a matter of momentum or a ponderance of the capriciousness of scum?

(I'm not trying to be pretentious, these words are literally just the ones coming to my head. I'm not a very organized speaker, and I'm kind of in "speaking mode" instead of "writing mode" right now because I'm trying to be as quick as possible.)

[MariaR]

I was mafia in that game

[Toranaga]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=75910

meh not this game

but you remember that game we had in thread attacks that mulch modded, right?

you were town and hard defended scum!dunn who we lynched

anyway

[MariaR]

OH YEAHHHH I REMEMBER THAT GAME

[MariaR]

ok ok you right.
I have defended scum dunn once

[Cobblerfone]

it feels sudden.

There are no power roles so there was no reason to bother with intent and the like, he was either scum or vt

That's not what I mean.

[Dunnstral]

Howdy.

I've only read the first couple pages and since the hammer so far. Dunstral's hammer feels scummy to me but part of that is because -- to me -- it feels sudden. However, if it feels better after reading the two-week build-up to it, I'll revise that read. (this is assuming we haven't already won, which I think is pretty likely.)

Correction: opportunistic rather than sudden.

Do you think that gamma wagon would have disassembled if I hadn't hammered?

IDK. I just got done going through the votecounts and just looking there it seems to come out of nowhere. I'm not quite sure I'm getting why you're asking this question though? Is it a matter of momentum or a ponderance of the capriciousness of scum?

(I'm not trying to be pretentious, these words are literally just the ones coming to my head. I'm not a very organized speaker, and I'm kind of in "speaking mode" instead of "writing mode" right now because I'm trying to be as quick as possible.)

I'm asking the question because you're saying my vote was opportunistic, but I wonder how it's opportunistic because there wasn't really a reason for me to make myself look bad by hammering if I'm scum here - I'm saying I think Gamma would have been lynched without my vote anyway

[Dunnstral]

ok ok you right.
I have defended scum dunn once

more importantly, you always jump at me when you're scum and I'm town

[Cobblerfone]

I think it's quite productive actually. is this conversation making you uncomfortable, penguin?

Totally uncomfortable...help me.

I find twilight discussion benefits scum more than town usually.

I don't play larges much so that may differ. However, I refer back to Dunn v. Maria...how is this productive?

I basically agree. The more information we give scum, the more information they have to pick how to divide themselves and who to kill. I admittedly selfishly just wanted to participate in some way before Day 2. Because, well, I could die Night 1.

[Cobblerfone]

Howdy.

I've only read the first couple pages and since the hammer so far. Dunstral's hammer feels scummy to me but part of that is because -- to me -- it feels sudden. However, if it feels better after reading the two-week build-up to it, I'll revise that read. (this is assuming we haven't already won, which I think is pretty likely.)

Correction: opportunistic rather than sudden.

Do you think that gamma wagon would have disassembled if I hadn't hammered?

IDK. I just got done going through the votecounts and just looking there it seems to come out of nowhere. I'm not quite sure I'm getting why you're asking this question though? Is it a matter of momentum or a ponderance of the capriciousness of scum?

(I'm not trying to be pretentious, these words are literally just the ones coming to my head. I'm not a very organized speaker, and I'm kind of in "speaking mode" instead of "writing mode" right now because I'm trying to be as quick as possible.)

I'm asking the question because you're saying my vote was opportunistic, but I wonder how it's opportunistic because there wasn't really a reason for me to make myself look bad by hammering if I'm scum here - I'm saying I think Gamma would have been lynched without my vote anyway

WIFOM. Also, if Gamma was going to be lynched anyway, and Gamma wasn't mafia, why not let the mafia hammer?

[Dunnstral]

WIFOM.

No, you can't reply "wifom" to that - it's just straight up not opportunistic

[Dunnstral]

Also, if Gamma was going to be lynched anyway, and Gamma wasn't mafia, why not let the mafia hammer?

Um, I didn't think Gamma was town

[Dunnstral]

Like that's kind of weird, did you catch up on the part where mafia lose if they're hammered day 1?

Your argument doesn't really make sense for what you think I would do as town - if he were mafia no other mafia would be voting him

[Toranaga]

So you meta read more than you actually read the setup?

Still don't like long-tiger.

I didn't read the setup at all...

I was boringly reading the threads when I saw alisae was being replaced. I skimmed alisae, figured it was probably town and asked for that spot. then I was told there was someone else to replace before alisae so I'd get that slot instead if I wanted to. I read that slot, figured it was also probably town and said I was ok with it.

when I replaced in, my only goal was to make sure we lynched someone and moved on, cause I think with the number of replacements and how big the thread already looked, d1 was never going to stop being a gameday where people just talked past each other and did whatever. I then pushed for one of the main wagons to get lynched so we could move on.

so no, I didn't read the set up, but I played to the best of my abilities so that this game could improve with my presence. if I knew we could kill the scum with a single lynch, I'd take my time to read the game before pushing things.

[MariaR]

ok ok you right.
I have defended scum dunn once

more importantly, you always jump at me when you're scum and I'm town

Yes Dunn because scum me is that predictable to do that over and over again!

[PenguinPower]

That's a nice post. I just really don't get why you would post without even reading the rules/setup, long-tiger.

Hope you read your role pm.

[Toranaga]

I would never think of reading the setup in this situation. there's no excuse, I'm just that reckless.

[Cobblerfone]

WIFOM.

No, you can't reply "wifom" to that - it's just straight up not opportunistic

Also, if Gamma was going to be lynched anyway, and Gamma wasn't mafia, why not let the mafia hammer?

Um, I didn't think Gamma was town

Like that's kind of weird, did you catch up on the part where mafia lose if they're hammered day 1?

Your argument doesn't really make sense for what you think I would do as town - if he were mafia no other mafia would be voting him

The WIFOM was in response to "there wasn't really a reason for me to make myself look bad by hammering if I'm scum here". I didn't catch that " - I'm saying I think Gamma would have been lynched without my vote anyway" was connected. My bad.

[xyzzy]

votecount 1.24

8 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Majiffy, Titus, Chickadee, Toranaga, Irrelephant11, PenguinPower, Invisibility, Dunnstral)
2 players voting for Chickadee (Cobblerfone, Not_Mafia)
2 players voting for Majiffy (MariaR, Gamma Emerald)
1 player voting for Alchemist21 (Lavos)
1 player voting for Cobblerfone (Alchemist21)

1 player not voting (Chara)

with 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

the day has ended.

mod notes:

Gamma Emerald

ELECTRON

²⁰ And lo, xyzzy and Equinox were shocked to discover that the grocery store had a parking lot, and they could've just driven there instead of planning to carry back sixteen liters of milk by hand.

you are a

townie

! you win once no members of the mafia are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

from

The Gospel of Toronto, As I Recall It

by xyzzy

Chapter 17

¹⁴

I think we should divide into two teams, with Maruchan and Chickadee on one team, and everyone else on the other team,

someone said. ¹⁵

That makes sense to me,

another replied.

The strongest players will have to work together against much larger numbers.

¹⁶

A full two thirds of the players will be on the other team, but they won't be as individually effective.

¹⁷ But Chickadee explained,

if we do that, the smaller team will have a clear advantage, because they'll be more effective at shooting their opponents and they'll have more targets to hit.

¹⁸ So the laser tag players agreed that that would be a very silly way to play laser tag.

it is now night 1! night 1 will last 48 hours or thereabouts.

[xyzzy]

hey, you see where I said 48 hours or thereabouts? it's gonna be a little bit more in the thereabouts side. busy all day today!

[xyzzy]

update: I was hoping to update the thread after I got home from this Magic: the Gathering tournament, but listen, I've never been more worn out in my life, I promise you I will update the thread tomorrow (morning if I wake up early, otherwise evening) but tonight I need to fall the fuck asleep. I love you all

[xyzzy]

from

The Gospel of Toronto, As I Recall It

by xyzzy

Chapter 17

¹ After this, the group agreed to face off against the teenagers, for their numbers were roughly equal. ² But the teenagers were awful to play against, and it was not a fun experience for anyone. ³ The teenagers made up new, arbitrary rules and tried to get the Mafiascum users to abide by them. ⁴

You have to go back to your base after we get you,

they said, ⁵ which was not one of the official rules. And lo, xyzzy fucking hated the teenagers. ⁶

Fuck,

they said to all who would listen,

I fucking hate these goddamn children.

PenguinPower died night 1!

PenguinPower

NINJA

²³

Whoever told you the fare is $3.50 was wrong,

Mina declared.

The fare is only $3.25.

you are a

townie

! you win once no members of the mafia are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

votecount 2.01

13 players not voting (Chara, Majiffy, Titus, Chickadee, Toranaga, Irrelephant11, Invisibility, Dunnstral, Cobblerfone, Not_Mafia, MariaR, Lavos, Alchemist21)

with 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-10-14 01:00:00).

mod notes: oh wow check out that 2-week deadline

[Toranaga]

since I fucked d1 I'm gonna do some real work today

hold me to it and kill me if I don't absolutely deliver

[Dunnstral]

since I fucked d1 I'm gonna do some real work today

hold me to it and kill me if I don't absolutely deliver

Do you think MariaR is town?