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[Lamees]

I agree with the take on dojaj and I won't be unvoting him as of right now. I have townreads on FF, lamees, and jones. Everyone else is null.

To clarify this, you agree with the fact that Dojaj may be scum, however you do not actively SR him, correct?

How come you appear to be doing a lot of scum hunting, but your vote went quickly onto a wagon? Are you actually scum hunting or just appearing to be scum hunting?

[Lamees]

@acrimoniusalpaca, your posts are just you jumping onto or agreeing with other ideas. What are your own reads so far?

[Korina]

I'm scumhunting, however, wagoning someone early on into the game is a good way to generate reads. People end up acting differently when they're under pressure.

I'm also trying to figure out what xx is getting at in general.
I find it odd that he's saying that he thinks Dojaj is scum, yet doesn't SR him.

[Lamees]

xx has a vote on dojaj, so I assume he scum reads dojaj. What makes you think he isnt scum readin dojaj?

[Korina]

I agree with the take on dojaj and I won't be unvoting him as of right now.

I have townreads on FF, lamees, and jones. Everyone else is null.

@Lamees

[Formerfish]

How can you even say pushing an inactive in a newbie game is a bad idea, then at the same time say scum has more incentive to be active? Contradicting.

It is not contradicting. Scum has to appear to be more town than other people, so therefore are usually more active early on when its just bs flying back and forth.

Confused town or newbie town people tend to clam up because they dont know what to say or dont want to say the wrong thing so they say nothing a lot of the time.

I would like to know what you see as contradictory there.

[Formerfish]

I’m just a noob don’t get too excited x) I actually agree that I seem scummy cuz I’m bad at this but I really am pure noob

See thing is we here are scum hunters. If you look like scum then we will case you and you will hang. Next game you wont do that again and you will learn from your mistakes.

Why do you think you look scummy here?

Because I don’t really know what to say and I’m inconsistent which I can see. I still won’t unvote Jones yet because his posts are super long and I always think extra effort or precision is suspicious makes you stand out rather than blend in

Just post man, talk to some of the more experienced players and see where our heads are at. If you have a shared read explore that. If you get read as scummy you can evaluate if the push is from town or scum and sort people that way.

And stop assuming that long posts means LAMIST posts. You have to look at the content itself, not just the length.

[Formerfish]

Why you ignoring me dojaj? Dont wanna dance with me?

It looks to me like Korina was pushing dojaj, not you in that post you quoted...? So why ask why dojaj is ignoring

you

, not Korina?

Because I was quoting a post where dojaj responded to a post that was after mine to him. Why are you interested in this?

[LCpl Jones]

@Lamees a vote doesn't necessarily mean XX scumreads dojaj surely? I'm interested in why he doesn't specifically scumread him, but I don't see any reason why XX shouldn't vote to apply pressure. Dojaj's reaction can then be used to see if reads need adjusting.

Speaking of reads ...
So far I'm reading dojaj as scum.

With him, I could see XX's actions as bussing him combined with apparent reluctance to scumread him. I don't see any other interactions out of the usual with dojaj. That makes me think maybe one of the lower activity players could be scum with dojaj (all this is quite apart from my actual reads, I'm only thinking about who could be with dojaj if he is in fact scum)

For town reads, I don't really have any firm reads, but on "gut" feeling, I'd put Acrimonious, Former Fish and possibly XX in there. That might surprise you given what I posted earlier -but as I said, I could see him as potentially being scum with dojaj, HOWEVER I don't think that is the case.

For null reads I'd put everyone else except for kalridge and flavor who haven't really posted that much. I'll reserve reads till they get into the game.


@flavor @kalridge any update on when you can get into the game?


There... I think that's all I have to say for now, so goodnight

[LCpl Jones]

Why you ignoring me dojaj? Dont wanna dance with me?

It looks to me like Korina was pushing dojaj, not you in that post you quoted...? So why ask why dojaj is ignoring

you

, not Korina?

Because I was quoting a post where dojaj responded to a post that was after mine to him. Why are you interested in this?

I was wondering why you were asking him that and quoting something seemingly unrelated, for my own curiosity. I missed your other post - sorry.

[Formerfish]

Spoiler:

I understand you're joking, but something tells me they're scummy.
Is this your normal playstyle?

Were ypuvreally just suspicious of korina or are you distracting everyone else from the possibility of you being scummy

Do you think that xx is actually scum here Dojaj?

I understand you're joking, but something tells me they're scummy.
Is this your normal playstyle?

Were ypuvreally just suspicious of korina or are you distracting everyone else from the possibility of you being scummy

I was suspicious of him, because the tone of his posts didn't seem natural at first.

True hmmmm

Care to share what you make of that post?

... I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that but ok, fair enough. Maybe you mean that I'm a bit "verbose" for lack of a better word? That's my normal playstyle, always has been.

Also, I don't like that you immediiately jump from attacking XX on his Korina push then to me then you agree with XX about Korina. That seems a bit inconsistent, kind of like you're flailing around a bit trying to push a few different people and see what happens. But... that's more of a towntell to me imo in this stage since that's the only way to get info this early.

Do you care to explain why that's townie to you?
I don't really see it as townie, however, I'm struggling to get into words why I exactly find it scummy

I understand you're joking, but something tells me they're scummy.
Is this your normal playstyle?

Were ypuvreally just suspicious of korina or are you distracting everyone else from the possibility of you being scummy

This also seems like a likely situation.

Why do you think that it's a likely situation?
What posts from dojaj lead you to thinking that xx is scum?

... I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that but ok, fair enough. Maybe you mean that I'm a bit "verbose" for lack of a better word? That's my normal playstyle, always has been.

Also, I don't like that you immediiately jump from attacking XX on his Korina push then to me then you agree with XX about Korina. That seems a bit inconsistent, kind of like you're flailing around a bit trying to push a few different people and see what happens. But... that's more of a towntell to me imo in this stage since that's the only way to get info this early.

Hmmmmm

Once again, what do you make of this post? "Hmmmmm" doesn't really help us out in trying to determine what you're thinking.

Idk guys I really still can’t tell anyone’s intentions I’m wondering if it’s Jones regular play or f my initial method of him being super nice is a revrse psychology method hmmm who knows. And the contradiction is cuz I understood his point of view. I just tend to be diplomatic anyways I still feel suspicious about jones so I’ll wait it out a day or two more

Why you ignoring me dojaj? Dont wanna dance with me?

Sorry I didn’t notice you quoted me anywhere except the last one I replied to? Did you??

I understand you're joking, but something tells me they're scummy.
Is this your normal playstyle?

Were ypuvreally just suspicious of korina or are you distracting everyone else from the possibility of you being scummy

Has xx come off as scum to you so far?

VOTE: LCpl Jones

This seems a bit out of the blue. Is there any reason for this or "just" RVS?

It’s not random at all I read all your posts and cake to the conclusion that you’re overly social

So you are saying that your vote is a serious one and your reasoning for your serious vote is that someone is too chatty in the first 4-5 pages? Thats weak sauce bro. Im not even a huge fan of the guy being voted, but for reasoning like that Im going to speak to it.

You never responded to those that I saw.

Fixed broken BBcode --P

[Formerfish]

The only people I really kinda got anything TR-able from was FF[...]

Awww.... thats so sweet of you! Youve been throwing off some pretty townie vibes to me as well. I think that we might have very similar playstyles and what ive seen from you so far has you in step with my town game.

[Formerfish]

Why you ignoring me dojaj? Dont wanna dance with me?

It looks to me like Korina was pushing dojaj, not you in that post you quoted...? So why ask why dojaj is ignoring

you

, not Korina?

Because I was quoting a post where dojaj responded to a post that was after mine to him. Why are you interested in this?

Its cool, I would like to point out though that you are the second person to kinda stick their nose in my attempts to sort people here. As a general rule its nice for the person being addressed to have an opportunity to speak first towards something. Repeated attempts to derail someones sorting can be questionably AI.
I was wondering why you were asking him that and quoting something seemingly unrelated, for my own curiosity. I missed your other post - sorry.

[Formerfish]

Why you ignoring me dojaj? Dont wanna dance with me?

It looks to me like Korina was pushing dojaj, not you in that post you quoted...? So why ask why dojaj is ignoring

you

, not Korina?

Because I was quoting a post where dojaj responded to a post that was after mine to him. Why are you interested in this?

I was wondering why you were asking him that and quoting something seemingly unrelated, for my own curiosity. I missed your other post - sorry.

Its cool, I would like to point out though that you are the second person to kinda stick their nose in my attempts to sort people here. As a general rule its nice for the person being addressed to have an opportunity to speak first towards something. Repeated attempts to derail someones sorting can be questionably AI.

I dunno how i fucked that up. I cant fix it.

[Lamees]

How can you even say pushing an inactive in a newbie game is a bad idea, then at the same time say scum has more incentive to be active? Contradicting.

It is not contradicting. Scum has to appear to be more town than other people, so therefore are usually more active early on when its just bs flying back and forth.

Confused town or newbie town people tend to clam up because they dont know what to say or dont want to say the wrong thing so they say nothing a lot of the time.

I would like to know what you see as contradictory there.

You frowning upon voting inactive newbies, gives inactive newbie mafias incentive to be inactive, which is contradictory to your claim of them having incentive to be active.

You say they have to fit in, that gives no reason at all for them to be active lol. Fitting in I is different for every game, combine that with everyone has different playstyles and different experience, you have actually no reason at all calling my vote a bad townie move, and then go even further and say the next person who joined the wagon is a bad scum move.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.05

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

kaldridge1025

(3): Lamees, acrimoniusalpaca, Korina

dojaj

(2): xx2008, LCpl Jones

Formerfish

(1): Flavor Leaf

Flavor Leaf

(1): Formerfish

LCpl Jones

(1): dojaj

Not Voting

(1): kaldridge1025

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-10-05 07:45:00).

Mod notes:

Keep it fun!

[Lamees]

The only people I really kinda got anything TR-able from was FF[...]

Awww.... thats so sweet of you! Youve been throwing off some pretty townie vibes to me as well. I think that we might have very similar playstyles and what ive seen from you so far has you in step with my town game.

This could be considered lamist btw

[Formerfish]

You frowning upon voting inactive newbies, gives inactive newbie mafias incentive to be inactive, which is contradictory to your claim of them having incentive to be active.

You say they have to fit in, that gives no reason at all for them to be active lol. Fitting in I is different for every game, combine that with everyone has different playstyles and different experience, you have actually no reason at all calling my vote a bad townie move, and then go even further and say the next person who joined the wagon is a bad scum move.

I hate this post from you. I can't figure out exactly why, but it's along the lines of ignoring part of what I said to make your point seem more powerful.

On page 6 of a newbie we shouldn't be pushing inactive people as scum. It's too early to even get a real look at people's playstyles and you are wanting praise lauded over you for...

As I said, activity isn't an indication of alignment, unless it is and we will know it then. If kald continued playing the way later in day 1 without another viable option, or if on day 2 he played the same way.

Pushing someone who hasn't been very active is a lazy move, it takes no thought or effort to push. It also has the added benefit for scum that if kald doesn't reply right away you take that as confirmation that he is scum! I mean shit, at this point it seems like you are engaging in a little confirmation bias.

And I can call any move I want anything I want to call it. If I wanna say a push is bad then I am going to say it. I could be wrong, and I'll admit that, but also trust that maybe, just maybe, I know what I am doing and will have a better grasp on things come later stages of the game here.

Here's my reasoning for thinking the way I am. Your push was bad. Your reasoning was bad. Your justification was bad. I can see town you making the push because there ain't much else going on. The person who voted after you, paca:

Agreeing with Lamees, I feel that it is in Town's benefit to lynch silent lurking players. If they are town, they are not doing any good for the town. If they are mafia, then it is good for the town. So I'm voting
UNVOTE: Flavour Leaf
VOTE: kalridge1025

I feel this also makes RVS less R.

Did so because of what you said. (It's also kinda funny to point out that in post 90 you vote kald. In 93 he gets prodded, and posts in 94. You use this as evidence that he is scum, but I get push notifications when I get pms, but I dont subscribe to threads I'm in for notifications. So if he got prodded it is quite likely that he got an email telling him he'd been prodded and came into the game to post. Then you Unvote kald in 108 only to vote him again in 118, a whole 10 posts going from Wednesday night to Thursday afternoon. How dare kald not post at night when most people are sleeping. I see the scum in him now). Paca seeing your bad town push as scum is going to try and hop on that wagon as discreetly as possible. Of the two of you I hate your votes equally, but I think you are more likely town in the case and paca more likely scum. Although after seeing you further explain your vote I'm wondering if right about you.

[Formerfish]

The only people I really kinda got anything TR-able from was FF[...]

Awww.... thats so sweet of you! Youve been throwing off some pretty townie vibes to me as well. I think that we might have very similar playstyles and what ive seen from you so far has you in step with my town game.

This could be considered lamist btw

Anything can be considered LAMIST if you want to spin it that way. I don't see how talking to someone about their reads is LAMIST though, or was it when I talked about my read on him? I would like you to explain why you feel that way and how that idea works within the context of this game and my alignment.

[Formerfish]

Boon, get out here and play goddamnit. You're an IC and are setting a bad example for the newbies. Also, I feel like you are hiding from me. Are you hiding boon?

[Lamees]

I feel the exact same way, as if my posts aren't being read properly, don't know if this is intentional from your side or not. Also I get OMGUS vibes from you. Your ego getting in the way? I question you and all of a sudden I'm scum lol. Should we all town read you then?

You want to talk about scum moves hopping onto my wagon, you mention alpaca did that, but korina did it too. No reaction from you to korina's vote? Is it because korina town read you so you're ok with his vote on kald?

Your justification of kald is also getting more and more absurd the more you try to defend. If the first prod sent and email and got a quick response, the second prod didnt send an email?

You are free to your opinion, so call the inactive wagon bad, but my opinion is: whatever it is you are doing, is worse, it's basically trying to flex and show off, even going as far as to say people are scared of you lol.

I indeed read you as scum now. Having kaldridge in late game will only benefit scum. If kaldridge is scum it makes sense for scum to defend them, if kaldridge is town, you get to waste a lynch in the more important stages of the game on them. So good, continue to defend.

[xx2008]

I do have a scumread on dojaj. I already voted against him, which was during RVS. I didn't change my vote, that's all.
Dojaj hasn't responded to peoples questions and posts about him. He's only dodging then by posting but not answering the question. He's done this several times now. I believe this is scum, because scum might use this way to avoid leaking information.
I don't want to scumread the inactive players just yet, because I know people may simply not have time to play as of right now, while it is still the early stages of the game. However, someone who posts only to avoid prods and doesn't help at all during the whole entire game is likely to be scum trying to avoid getting attention. It's potentially how a scum would hide throughout the game, while letting town players slowly lynch each other. If town players don't get suspicious of people who don't contribute, they're possibly letting scum hide and slowly win the game.

[dojaj]

I do have a scumread on dojaj. I already voted against him, which was during RVS. I didn't change my vote, that's all.
Dojaj hasn't responded to peoples questions and posts about him. He's only dodging then by posting but not answering the question. He's done this several times now. I believe this is scum, because scum might use this way to avoid leaking information.
I don't want to scumread the inactive players just yet, because I know people may simply not have time to play as of right now, while it is still the early stages of the game. However, someone who posts only to avoid prods and doesn't help at all during the whole entire game is likely to be scum trying to avoid getting attention. It's potentially how a scum would hide throughout the game, while letting town players slowly lynch each other. If town players don't get suspicious of people who don't contribute, they're possibly letting scum hide and slowly win the game.

This sounds like an excuse but all the questions and posts are too long and English being my second language it just overwhelmed me and I’m like meh if I say I don’t get it I’ll seem more suspicious. What’s your question state it clearly that’s all I ask cuz everyone is writing super looooong paragraphs my brain crashed I thought this was the boobs game

[dojaj]

Noobs*** not boobs typo

[Plotinus]

acrimoniousalpaca¹ has been prodded. They have (expired on 2018-10-01 09:44:00) to post before I start looking for a replacement. kaldridge1025 has not responded to their prod and is being replaced. If they return before I find somebody, they can stay.