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[dojaj]

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[Plotinus]

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

dojaj

(4): xx2008, LCpl Jones, Formerfish, Korina

Braekess950

(2): Lamees, acrimoniusalpaca

Formerfish

(1): dojaj

xx2008

(1): Braekess950

Lamees

(1): Flavor Leaf

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-10-05 07:45:00).

Mod notes:

Keep it fun!

Korina is V/LA until Monday night

[LCpl Jones]

V/LA all day today @mod, sorry for being so short notice, unplanned

V/LA noted --P

[LCpl Jones]

Soooooo you’re saying you aren’t sure what I am yet wanted everyone to vote against me?? When everyone was agreeing to kaldridhe
Someone is suspicious right now
Lol
VOTE: formerfish

One post here before I go - in forum mafia we only see people's reactions if they want people to see them. Its not like we have a webcam to watch you to see your face and analyze if you are lying like in real mafia

So basically, its good to use your vote in forum mafia and practically the only way to get information especially this early.
Thus a vote isn't necessarily saying 'this person is scum' - people should vote for the person they find the scummiest if you notice the difference?


Also, on another note, I'm surprised nobody brought up no lynch day 1 yet

[Lamees]

My thoughts on the dojaj - formerfish exchange.

It starts with dojaj switching to a wagon that has a subbed player, putting the player at L-1.

This move appears to have set off formerfish's scum alarm, and he casts his not random vote, I see the thought process behind this and I am contemplating my vote switch to dojaj. But then he says things like all town votes should get off the sub wagon immediately, this doesn't sit well with me, it's as if he is trying to defend the sub wagon yet again, but low key threatening scum status to anyone who doesn't. After I say I am going to keep my vote on the sub wagon for now, he then directly tells me I should switch to dojaj.

Flavor leaf has pointed out that 1 more vote would have put dojaj at L-1. It gets me thinking that if i put dojaj at L-1 that korina might have come in to hammer.

Flavor leaf I strong read town, for delaying the hammer, I cant see any benefits for scum to not hammer there.

I am still willing to hammer dojaj, but first want more info on why flavor leaf thinks dojaj isnt the day 1 lynch.

[Formerfish]

Flavor leaf I strong read town, for delaying the hammer, I cant see any benefits for scum to not hammer there.

You can't think of any reason why scum wouldn't hammer? Like not even one scenario where there is even a plausible reason for him to do that?

[Lamees]

Flavor leaf I strong read town, for delaying the hammer, I cant see any benefits for scum to not hammer there.

You can't think of any reason why scum wouldn't hammer? Like not even one scenario where there is even a plausible reason for him to do that?

In this case, there really is no benefit. If he were scum, that means he has 3 or 4 townies on dojaj, which are very much scum reading dojaj and even inviting players to hammer. Why delay it? Or even go as far to oppose the wagon.

Your response to him was weak though.

[Korina]

My thoughts on the dojaj - formerfish exchange.

It starts with dojaj switching to a wagon that has a subbed player, putting the player at L-1.

This move appears to have set off formerfish's scum alarm, and he casts his not random vote, I see the thought process behind this and I am contemplating my vote switch to dojaj. But then he says things like all town votes should get off the sub wagon immediately, this doesn't sit well with me, it's as if he is trying to defend the sub wagon yet again, but low key threatening scum status to anyone who doesn't. After I say I am going to keep my vote on the sub wagon for now, he then directly tells me I should switch to dojaj.

Flavor leaf has pointed out that 1 more vote would have put dojaj at L-1. It gets me thinking that if i put dojaj at L-1 that korina might have come in to hammer.

Flavor leaf I strong read town, for delaying the hammer, I cant see any benefits for scum to not hammer there.

I am still willing to hammer dojaj, but first want more info on why flavor leaf thinks dojaj isnt the day 1 lynch.

If I were to hammer, it'd have been accidental, like I said.
This game has proven that I cannot count in general.

If Dojaj was at L-1, I wouldn't have voted but rather said "Intent to hammer Dojaj".
So, sure, I would've hammered dojaj, but not at that exact moment. I'd rather get everyone else to say their closing remarks before going for hammer.

Also, if Dojaj isn't scum, and we put him at L-1, scum will want to hammer that as soon as they feasibly can.
Why? Because that cuts daylight short.

Going back to my point of "Scum don't want town to maximize discussion time", it follows the same point.
If you hammer someone early, that means Town doesn't have that time in the first place.

As for Flavor delaying the hammer, if you're talking about him saying about intent to hammer, that's something he's covering as the SE, (I think).

[Formerfish]

Flavor leaf I strong read town, for delaying the hammer, I cant see any benefits for scum to not hammer there.

You can't think of any reason why scum wouldn't hammer? Like not even one scenario where there is even a plausible reason for him to do that?

In this case, there really is no benefit. If he were scum, that means he has 3 or 4 townies on dojaj, which are very much scum reading dojaj and even inviting players to hammer. Why delay it? Or even go as far to oppose the wagon.

I can think of two situations just off the top of my head that could throw a wrench in your idea:

1. FL and Kald slot are both scum.
2. FL is scum and is going for town points by not hammering.

Hell, maybe Leaf figured that with as much as other people were pushing kald he didnt need to jump on. And if the wagon was made up of all town members there is even more reason for him to not get on it. If the lynch went through and it was a mislynch then we would probably start looking at the people who were on the wagon. If Leaf could stay off of it and have it still go through as scum he would be in a great position starting day 2.

Your response to him was weak though.

So me saying that I was unimpressed with his post and that I expect more from him not only as a player but as an IC as well is weak? What is different between what I said to him about his post and what you just said to me about my response to his post?

[Formerfish]

Kor, what is your read on Lam so far? I keep going back and forth on her.

On one hand I can see where she is coming from, because Ive made those bad pushes as new town and I get it. On the other hand I feel like she is being intentionally abrasive to try and get a rise out of me (this happens in a lot of my games for some reason...). Like I just feel as if there is a lot of shade being thrown in her posts without a lot of substance to back and of it up.

[Lamees]

Look, I don't mean to offend. But "is that all" type of responses dont mean anything or do anything.

I never expected you to be the one complaining about shade throwing since you outright called me out saying I am bad. Then when I show where you are bad, you get all emotional and start going to korina for backup, you're prone to omgus, call outplayers, players respond in a way you dont like, try to get everyone to scum read the player. Whatevs.

If you were to read me as scum, I really dont care. Flavor did it. I didnt throw shade? You didnt call me scum though, you tried to one up me or something.

[Formerfish]

And Lam, you get that Boon and I have history right? And that I expect certain things out of his town game? So when I posted this:

Boon, get out here and play goddamnit. You're an IC and are setting a bad example for the newbies. Also, I feel like you are hiding from me. Are you hiding boon?

We were about 7 pages into the game and all Leaf had done was talk about rvs and vote me as a hello. He even says as much:

If anything I’ve basically lurked our for a day, and just commented on semantics.

when \he is questioning your town read on him.

He comes back a day later with 188 and throws down a tr on Kor and me, but is very wishy washy. Amends his post in 189 to add xx, and then again in 191 to add Jones and vote you. 202 was apologizing for misgendering somones, and then 203 was more semantics.

There is a lot of stuff going on in this game and Leaf has commented on almost none of it, and the comments he has made are like one liners thrown into his posts mostly at the end.

This is not a town game im seeing in boon. So how exactly is my response weak to you? Could it be that maybe you just dont understand what I am doing?

[Formerfish]

Look, I don't mean to offend. But "is that all" type of responses dont mean anything or do anything.

I disagree, I think it depends on the context but there is a difference between dojaj saying "hmmm..." and me expressing disappointment in a specific persons engagement and contribution to the game so far. Which is what I was doing with Leaf. In fact

@Leaf step it up man or you'll leave me no choice but to eventually lynch you.

I never expected you to be the one complaining about shade throwing since you outright called me out saying I am bad. Then when I show where you are bad, you get all emotional and start going to korina for backup, you're prone to omgus, call outplayers, [...]

Shade is very different from calling someone straight out, you know that right? And where did you show me I was bad and I "got emotional?" I would love to see the posts you are making this basis from. "Prone to omgus"- I know my alignment. If someone is trying to push me as scum I have to figure out if they are misguided town, or if they are scum pushing me for a mislynch to try and out a strong player. I got into it with Kor and have him down as town. I have gotten into it with you and have you as a town lean with a reservation for the fact that you cant let me go and worry about anyone else it seems. Tunneled much?

players

respond in a way you dont like, try to get everyone to scum read the player

. Whatevs.

Yeah, welcome to the game. You know that is exactly what we are doing here, trying to lynch scum based off feelings and interactions. I am not going to apologize for pushing a scum read. Why do you have an issue with that?

If you were to read me as scum, I really dont care. Flavor did it. I didnt throw shade? You didnt call me scum though, you tried to one up me or something.

Tried to one up you? What are you seriously even talking about right now?

[Formerfish]

going to korina for backu

I wanna address this separately because I think it needs it. Im not sure what you are trying to imply with this point, so I will need you to explain why this matters at all, first off, and secondly why you worded it the way you did.

I have a town read on Kor and have seen a few posts where his thought process mimics mine. That is hard for scum to do accurately and helps solidify my read on him. I am reaching out to him to talk about our reads and what is going on in the game as a way to try and push us forward.

Somehow you portray it as a negative that I am seeking others to work with. This is what I do. I dick around day 1 and I get reads. I sort people into piles of town, null and scum. I work with the people I have down as town to help lynch the scumbags and finish sorting the nulls. I work within a townblock and attempt to lynch in a pool narrowed down by PoE.

How do you find scum?

[Lamees]

I am not tunneling at all lol. Another baseless claim thrown in there to try to make me look bad.

You are the one that keeps asking me questions, quoting every single post I make. If I ignore I am probably gonna get called scared or dodging you, if I respond I am tunneling you. Wow, this has to got to be some weird ass catch 22.

[Formerfish]

I am not tunneling at all lol. Another baseless claim thrown in there to try to make me look bad.

We are going to have to agree to disagree here. For me it looks like since post 164 you have been focused mostly on me. Like posts 164, 166, 170, 208, 211, 230, 256, and 260.

You do talk about dojaj in 223, and 254 but somehow you also threw shade at me in both of those posts as well.

You had 3 posts that were fluff too...

So out of 13 posts you made since 164 8 have been about me directly, and another 2 have me tangentially involved. 10 posts total out of 13 seems a bit tunnely to me.

[dojaj]

Look, I don't mean to offend. But "is that all" type of responses dont mean anything or do anything.

I disagree, I think it depends on the context but there is a difference between dojaj saying "hmmm..." and me expressing disappointment in a specific persons engagement and contribution to the game so far. Which is what I was doing with Leaf. In fact

@Leaf step it up man or you'll leave me no choice but to eventually lynch you.

I never expected you to be the one complaining about shade throwing since you outright called me out saying I am bad. Then when I show where you are bad, you get all emotional and start going to korina for backup, you're prone to omgus, call outplayers, [...]

Shade is very different from calling someone straight out, you know that right? And where did you show me I was bad and I "got emotional?" I would love to see the posts you are making this basis from. "Prone to omgus"- I know my alignment. If someone is trying to push me as scum I have to figure out if they are misguided town, or if they are scum pushing me for a mislynch to try and out a strong player. I got into it with Kor and have him down as town. I have gotten into it with you and have you as a town lean with a reservation for the fact that you cant let me go and worry about anyone else it seems. Tunneled much?

players

respond in a way you dont like, try to get everyone to scum read the player

. Whatevs.

Yeah, welcome to the game. You know that is exactly what we are doing here, trying to lynch scum based off feelings and interactions. I am not going to apologize for pushing a scum read. Why do you have an issue with that?

If you were to read me as scum, I really dont care. Flavor did it. I didnt throw shade? You didnt call me scum though, you tried to one up me or something.

Tried to one up you? What are you seriously even talking about right now?

Yeah shade is very different yet you shaded me before. Tsk tsk disappointing
Hhmmmmm

[dojaj]

Where are the inactive players

[Lamees]

That's the final straw, I am taking questions from other players. Formerfish has been quoting everyone of my posts, pushing for a response. I entertained his ego for too long. For him to play victim and say I am tunneling him. My lord.

If there is anyone besides ff who would like to investigate me, feel free to. (Please dont cry though).

Preview edit: they were about you because you keep quoting and asking me...

[Formerfish]

If I ask you a question I am not going to accuse you of tunneling me. If you dont answer I will take that as something though. I am asking you to expand on your ideas and to explain yourself so that I can finally sort you.

It is not a catch 22.

pedit- dojaj, i think you are scum, thats not shade. Shade is when you neg someone without ever calling them scum. Scum does it to slowly chink away at someones armor until they find a crack to wiggle themselves into, and that happens when someone else (hopefully a town member) starts to scum read someone based of the shade the scum has been throwing, making it seem like it was the townies idea for the read and not the scumbags.

[Formerfish]

That's the final straw, I am taking questions from other players. Formerfish has been quoting everyone of my posts, pushing for a response. I entertained his ego for too long. For him to play victim and say I am tunneling him. My lord.

If there is anyone besides ff who would like to investigate me, feel free to. (Please dont cry though).

Preview edit: they were about you because you keep quoting and asking me...

Do you disagree with the facts about the posts since 164? Or are you going to just go for some AtE here?

[Formerfish]

Preview edit: they were about you because you keep quoting and asking me...

Its not that they were about me, its that they have only been about me. You have 2 posts in that time frame where you mention another player and still took shots at me in those posts.

[Formerfish]

Also joined 2013 hm since it’s a newbie game don’t judge me too hard for being all over the place and lost. Goodness gracious. So intense. It’s just a game have fun bro.
So what if I mess up my diet game it’s my first ever game.
And yes I should read Kroeber it’s just a lot going on.

Lol Lamees kept her vote on kaldridge even after they’ve been replaced and I quickly unvoted once I realized what could’ve happened I know

. Chill. Fixed my mistake sweetie

This looks like an attempt to just throw shade on anyone to clear yourself. Your vote on kaldridge was you trying to avoid being the highest wagon wasnt it? SUPER SCUMMY.

You say I kept my vote, any guesses where I would change my vote to?

The only reason I am keeping my vote is because I want to see more from the new substitute, and

now I feel FFish is pushing and defending kaldridges slot a bit too much

, so I would like to keep it there for a bit more. But you keep acting scummy. It could just be noob town desperately not wanting to be the first day lynch.

[Formerfish]

My thoughts on the dojaj - formerfish exchange.

It starts with dojaj switching to a wagon that has a subbed player, putting the player at L-1.

This move appears to have set off formerfish's scum alarm, and he casts his not random vote, I see the thought process behind this and I am contemplating my vote switch to dojaj.

But then he says things like all town votes should get off the sub wagon immediately, this doesn't sit well with me, it's as if he is trying to defend the sub wagon yet again, but low key threatening scum status to anyone who doesn't. After I say I am going to keep my vote on the sub wagon for now, he then directly tells me I should switch to dojaj.

Flavor leaf has pointed out that 1 more vote would have put dojaj at L-1. It gets me thinking that if i put dojaj at L-1 that korina might have come in to hammer.

Flavor leaf I strong read town, for delaying the hammer, I cant see any benefits for scum to not hammer there.

I am still willing to hammer dojaj, but first want more info on why flavor leaf thinks dojaj isnt the day 1 lynch.

[Lamees]

Where are the inactive players

I actually had a question for acrimoniusalpaca, I wanted to his reads.