how good is vonflare at laser tag [game over]

[Majiffy]

VCA without scumflips is fine but wagon placement alone is bad VCA you gotta look at the context of the votes as well.

[xyzzy]

votecount 2.02

3 players voting for Dunnstral (MariaR, Invisibility, Chara)
2 players voting for Chickadee (Titus, Alchemist21)
2 players voting for Alchemist21 (Cobblerfone, Irrelephant11)
1 player voting for Toranaga (Lavos)
1 player voting for MariaR (Dunnstral)

4 players not voting (Majiffy, Chickadee, Toranaga, Not_Mafia)

with 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-10-14 01:00:00).

mod notes:

[Toranaga]

brief skim through ISOs I'd vote alchemist over the alternatives

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Alchemist

I want that sweet sweet sketchy 3rd vote spot.

[Toranaga]

towny jokey self awareness from chickadee rn

[Majiffy]

I'll probably get in the mood to do work in this game before D2 deadline

[Cobblerfone]

UNVOTE: alch

Reason:
Chikadee’s voting post

I’m going to reread more in-depth

[Invisibility]

UNVOTE: alch

Reason:
Chikadee’s voting post

I’m going to reread more in-depth

hello i agree with the sentiment about chickade's post

[Toranaga]

I'm sure if cobbler is townreading chickadee's post, or scumreading alchemist's vote on chickadee, and I find myself agreeing with both so it's

[Toranaga]

*all good

[Chara]

considering he unvoted Alch, i'm pretty sure Cobbler meant the exact opposite.

[Cobblerfone]

Gamma
Alchemist
(I think one of them is scum, but maybe not both? Would lynch either honestly)
Dunn I suppose
Chamber, but no one else seems to be there

@chikadee: what made you say dunn here?

[Titus]

VCA without scumflips is fine but wagon placement alone is bad VCA you gotta look at the context of the votes as well.

Correct, if I felt it necessary to have an overarching theory but it's too early. Knowing Chickadee's alignment suggests how scum felt day 1. Then we can work outward.

[Lavos]

I flat out do not believe he didn't know about the setup. Like why would he replace into this and just not look at the setup at all? that's just a bad idea for so many reasons and it's not like it takes a long time to read the rules? I think it's also scummy that he says:

i didn't know the setup fully until i read the actual thread. got an idea from the first mod posts but that was all.

also Tor replaced Alisae, who was town. this is said with a vague memory of Toranaga's posting this game but i haven't seen anything wrong with it, i want to call him town. i've never seen scum Toranaga, but pushing wagons blatantly does make sense coming from him.

Maria, remind me if you were right on Dunnstral in Purgatory?

I think from the mod posts you can gather the point that if scum is lynched d1 town wins, or at least once you read the thread?

Toranaga replaced chamber I'm pretty sure.

Don't think Chara is scum with Toranaga or Cobblerfone after this post btw - I think if it was scum it would know who its scumbuddies were? and it doesn't seem like it's something intuitive to fake at all if that makes sense.

VOTE: Alchemist

I want that sweet sweet sketchy 3rd vote spot.

towny jokey self awareness from chickadee rn

VOTE: Dunnstral
good wagon.

[Invisibility]

actually nevermind

[Majiffy]

VCA without scumflips is fine but wagon placement alone is bad VCA you gotta look at the context of the votes as well.

Correct, if I felt it necessary to have an overarching theory but it's too early. Knowing Chickadee's alignment suggests how scum felt day 1. Then we can work outward.

That was aimed at irrelephant not you

[Irrelephant11]

VCA without scum flips isn't good VCA. and what would make Chick different from Majiffy in that regard?

...did you read my post?
Majiffy was first on the wagon and calling for players to sheep her
Chickadee was third on the wagon and sheeped majiffy with no previous scumread of gamma (and in fact he was one of her few states townreads)
VOTE: Chickadee

VCA without scumflips is fine but wagon placement alone is bad VCA you gotta look at the context of the votes as well.

Is this to me or chara? Because I feel like I'm talking useful vca and everyone is telling me to stop
Like obviously I can't just color in everyone's names on a single vc based on two green flips
But looking at where and when people voted is a great place to start

VCA without scumflips is fine but wagon placement alone is bad VCA you gotta look at the context of the votes as well.

Correct, if I felt it necessary to have an overarching theory but it's too early. Knowing Chickadee's alignment suggests how scum felt day 1. Then we can work outward.

What does this mean?

[Majiffy]

Irrelephant your VCA is bad

I pushed Chickadee into voting

Context is king

[Irrelephant11]

I'm aware of context! why am I being talked down to at every turn
I think she caved incredibly easily and didn't actually scumread gamma
Have YOU gone back to re-read the moment where she sheeped you?

& let's stop calling it vca then, I'm basically just looking at the EOD wagon and seeing which votes were bad. I haven't gone further than that into vca atm

[Chara]

i'm sorry if it seemed like i was talking down to you or anything, not my intention. and i'd misunderstood what you meant about Chick and Majiffy (i'd thought you were referring to the wagons on them, not their individual presences on Gamma's wagon).

[Chickadee]

Gamma
Alchemist
(I think one of them is scum, but maybe not both? Would lynch either honestly)
Dunn I suppose
Chamber, but no one else seems to be there

@chikadee: what made you say dunn here?

I didn't feel like Dunn was really game solving to the extent I usually see from him.

[Dunnstral]

Gamma
Alchemist
(I think one of them is scum, but maybe not both? Would lynch either honestly)
Dunn I suppose
Chamber, but no one else seems to be there

@chikadee: what made you say dunn here?

I didn't feel like Dunn was really game solving to the extent I usually see from him.

I mean, I've been pushing my read, I don't know what you're talking about

[Dunnstral]

Also if you're going to sandbag at least vote alchemist don't give bad reads on me

I've lurked as town multiple times before too, that advancing the gamestate line is so bad

[Chickadee]

Also if you're going to sandbag at least vote alchemist don't give bad reads on me

I've lurked as town multiple times before too, that advancing the gamestate line is so bad

I

am

voting Alchemist.

[Titus]

@irrelephant It means with Chickadee's flip we can assess likely scum motivation yesterday. If Chickadee scum, we can infer massive peeling yesterday. If Chickadee town, scum likely did not care which die (unless one was right).