Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Reasonably Rational]

Replacement doesnt equal not scum, but okay.

I'll chill on the RC thing for now.

So, looking at the votes, more of my townleans are on the Malakittens wagon then the Jaber one, so it seems like a better place to look into as I re-read their posts.

VOTE: Malakitten

P.S: wherever Toogeloo went off too, I still sont like his (or TW) idea to hang me, especially since he doesnt have a reason or good credibility yet to make such a push. Just keep him in mind as well.

RC simply doesn't replace out as scum. I mean ... he has once that I'm aware of, but that's a very lonely exception. RC replacing out of a game, especially for the reason he did here, basically puts the slot at near IC status. That's why I told him that replacing out that way was basically dropping a town tell. Since he's done it one time as scum it doesn't fit the absolute definition but it's about as close as it can get.

So yeah ... that slot goes back on the shelf for sorting, at worst. But I was already pretty sure RC was town. That ISO is so precisely RC-town that it's like it's broadcasting on all frequencies.

~Drixx

[Reasonably Rational]

Flavor question: (I can look it up but it might be better to have it publicly in here) who are Serenity's allies? What is the hierarchy of Serenity? What about their allies?

RR said they would answer this, but they haven't yet (and neither has anybody else), so I'll take a stab at it.

For the vast majority of

Firefly

and

Serenity

, the crew of the ship are:
- Mal, the captain, a once-principled solider who lost a war and became cynical (but is still fairly principled)
- Zoë, the first mate, served with Mal in that same war
- Wash, the pilot and Zoe's husband, sometimes serves as comic relief
- Kaylee, the mechanic, very sunny personality
- Jayne, hired muscle, not the brightest crayon in the bunch
- Inara, basically a high-class prostitute, not-really-but-sort-of part of the crew (also has a will they/won't they with Mal)
- Simon, doctor from a privileged background, gives it up to rescue his sister (starts off as just a passenger)
- River, Simon's sister and (literally) tortured teen (starts off as just a passenger)
- Book, a preacher who's more than meets the eye (starts off as just a passenger)

Serenity's allies are... *crickets chirp*. IIRC, they don't really have any, at least straightforward ones. They tend toward business relationships or brief alliances, rather than steady ones.

They're definitely against the Alliance, though, which is the government and the side they lost the war to (it was a civil war). They also make a

bunch

of enemies, big and small.

Also, now that I've thought about it, there is at least one memorable bad doctor, so it's possible for there to be a scum doctor. I still think it's more likely for Elsa to be Simon, though. (The bad doctor's from the movie, which I tend to forget about/ignore, but it is listed first, so maybe the game is based more around it? IDK.)

Interesting post. Has it been a long time since you watched the series and movie? You make a note about bad doctor and listed first which makes it feel like you put this post together from a wiki or something. But if you did that, then you wouldn't have missed a lot of the repeating good/neutral/bad guys and the HUGE ally from the movie.

~Drixx

[Reasonably Rational]

Worst, I never got a flavor and I'm a Neutral. Pretty damn sure scum dont either.

The flavor is revealed only on the flip. Period.

Our role PM says my full flavor will be revealed upon flip. It then goes on to provide a rationale for our role and a description of it that left us narrowed down to two possible characters from the series/movie that could possibly be our role. So I guess the really critical question is how much the roles are tied to the flavor.

~Drixx

[Chickadee]

I think the roles are very tied to flavor, though I have no solid proof of that at the moment.

[ruru]

votecount

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Flicker (3):	northsidegal (153),	the worst (1050),	BuJaber (1079),
BuJaber (3):	Flicker (497),	Skygazer (881),	CheekyTeeky (1083),
Reasonably Rational (2):	NicoRobin (473),	Thor665 (544),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Chara (776),	Reasonably Rational (786),
Malakittens (2):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (947),	Elsa Jay (1007),
Elsa Jay (1):	Toogeloo (729),
Not voting (4):	TPFKAP,	randomidget,	Malakittens (90),	Chickadee (1120),

(expired on 2018-10-16 02:00:00) remain.

[BuJaber]

I think the roles are very tied to flavor, though I have no solid proof of that at the moment.

A50 pretty much confirmed this

[BuJaber]

@A50

would you define the flavour of this game as contributory towards alignment?

Why do you think the flavour was [

redacted

]?

will scum be given fakeclaims / knowledge of flavours which are or are not in the game?

You mean, like.. "You may claim

[full flavour will be revealed upon your flip or at the end of the game]

?".

[Elsa Jay]

snip

I’d rather not answer for him but he thinks RR is town and a good player. You will have to ask him why he thinks that.

I’m still getting caught up.

I think that EJ is the towniest 3P ever. lol

Keeping this quote forever in the back of my head to use when someone (Toogeloo) decides to try and hang me because "They're still a Neutral" without looking for scum.

I love Nancy already.

[Reasonably Rational]

<3333

flavour reminds me of Protomen. or should i say lack of.

Can you elaborate on this? Is it just the lack of knowing exactly who you are that makes it feel that way or is there something else?

Also ... Hi!

~Drixx

[Reasonably Rational]

I've argued to the point of replacing out twice. I'm starting to realize the signs of a dead end argument.

Then how can you not see from a townRC pov??

I wasn't town both those times.

Scum also replace out in frustration.

It would be very unusual for RC to replace out as scum at all, let alone replace out so someone else involved in a personal beef with him could stay in. Just ... way out of character for RC.

As in I was town once and scum once. Replacing out should not be the basis for a read. You might guess at and try to explain it but ultimately if you don't have other reasons to townread or scumread the player replacing out then you shouldn't read them based on the replace out.

There was already plenty of reason to have RC in the town pile. The replace out just kind of feels like a town tell.

~D

[CheekyTeeky]

coming around to bujaber being town

@cheeky, why are you so strongly townreading RR?

Similar logic to your townread on Mala - RR and RC townread each other and are familiar with each other lol.

Actually it's mainly their response to me poking them earlier. I don't think scum get baited as easily as town when I'm being a derp.

[Reasonably Rational]

coming around to bujaber being town

@cheeky, why are you so strongly townreading RR?

Similar logic to your townread on Mala - RR and RC townread each other and are familiar with each other lol.

Actually it's mainly their response to me poking them earlier. I don't think scum get baited as easily as town when I'm being a derp.

Not to diminish the strength of your townread here, but RC was not townreading us. They just weren't scumreading us, and didn't think locktowning us was a good idea.

-Cerb

[CheekyTeeky]

Also don't be fooled by BuJaber - he can wall just fine as scum if you look at Clownspiracy. What differentiates his town/scum meta is the quality of his thoughts/tone. Both are meh this game.

Pedit he thought you guys weren't scum and told me locktowning Thor was a bad idea.

[CheekyTeeky]

I hate push backs against townreads :/ it makes me think I was wrong almost every time.

[Reasonably Rational]

Bro Thor is not obvtown in relation to the claim

RR fine I'm not like really scumreading them but I think locktowning them is dumb af.

Toranaga like whatever I don't trust your read there but fine I'll give it was rest.

But Thor has massive scum equity here

CheekyTeeky, I feel you on that. But like...you know what's the bane of the way I play the game? People playing with fundamentally incorrect assumptions about the game state. I make decisions based on the information available in the thread and my evaluations of how people reacted to that information. If I see someone has the *wrong* information about something, I'm going to correct them on it. *shrug*

-Cerb

[Skygazer]

hi tw pls respond

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh ok I miss-remembered.

[CheekyTeeky]

@Tor thoughts on RR and Thor?

[Elsa Jay]

Also don't be fooled by BuJaber - he can wall just fine as scum if you look at Clownspiracy. What differentiates his town/scum meta is the quality of his thoughts/tone. Both are meh this game.

Pedit he thought you guys weren't scum and told me locktowning Thor was a bad idea.

Fun fact: Jaber was one of my first opponents on Mafiascum in Newbie 1835 (he had a Shadow Icon, I remember).Yet this is the first time ive played him since then, and CLEARLY both of our styles have differentiated from then. But I like the nostalgia of going against someone I went against as a noob.

I also realized that 3 of the people in that game never played another round of mafia ever again. Sad face.

[Chara]

this game is moving fast. i knew that on replacing in and yet somehow i'm still surprised by it. i'll read tonight.

[TPFKAP]

IS THIS GAME WORTH READING?

That depends, are you scum?

no

[Thor665]

IS THIS GAME WORTH READING?

That depends, are you scum?

no

Then it's a simple question of how do you scumhunt and I am left wondering why ypou need other people to explain if your scumhunting benefits from back reading or active gameplay to you.
Do you not understand your town play, or is this a reaction test (wherein I think the only reaction you're going to get is indifference or people who love back reading demanding you do so)

To me this all feels like a way for you to post and do nothing.
I'mma call you scum over it.
Prove me wrong?

[the worst]

I think you're being overly sheepy.

citation needed

[the worst]

IS THIS GAME WORTH READING?

few pages are worth skipping
most of it has been spicy enough

[the worst]

this game is moving fast. i knew that on replacing in and yet somehow i'm still surprised by it. i'll read tonight.

the pace has definitely slowed down since your rep in.
looking forward to your catch up!