Boundaries of Reality - [Game Over]

[Wisdom]

do it then

[Nancy Drew 39]

btw sakura if you're town you're going to have to prove it

like yeah i misread you before when you actually were town but i still feel burned. like. just talk to me

proving im town is easy, and you dont even need to talk with me!

...what?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
That miller claim is super shaky and more looks like you jumped on it for town points than an actual miller claim.

LA, why vote for GE while responding to a Sakura quote and as a first post, no less?

[Nancy Drew 39]

do it then

Yeah, her reasoning doesn’t even make any sense. How does anyone get “town points” by making an unverified claim - one that can obviously only be verified post-flip?

VOTE: Lady Angel

[Kokichi Oma]

I have a feeling this game will be so funny every EoD

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have a feeling this game will be so funny every EoD

Likely, at least 2 of them, if I’m right about there being 1 town and 1 scum desperado in the setup.

[Varsoon]

A). Outing or eliminating any speculation of there being an alignment cop in the setup. I am trying to ascertain what possible scum motivation there would be to fakeclaim miller if there’s no ac in the setup. You don’t think that might be useful?

B). You really need to familiarize yourself with FG Alice/Deemo setups, to make proper sense of my posts in this game so far.

C) I’m not saying ignore my play but it’s foolish to sr me for things that others can vouch is totally NAI for me. Why? They can provide you links to other games, where I played similarly and you can ascertain that for yourself.

D) Why is Marquis your #1 scumread and no, I’m not opposed to that wagon.

E). You never answered my question about why vote me since

I was never on Dunnstral wagon

?

F) Yes, not only is it NAI but Townie of me to “blow up” (which I don’t even think I’m doing btw) over votes on me, as anyone who will tell you. And knowing I’m receiving those votes, not only despite being town but for actually trying to fgure out the game, is really frustrating. I don’t care, if you agree with this or not.

E) When did I do that? All I recall saying was that Kokichi was my top townread for his NAI post. I’m not even voting you. I’m trying to honestly decide if it’s suspicious of you to vote me, over someone on the Dunn wagon or not.

G). If you’re really suspicious of that wagon, then it makes no sense for you to squander your vote on me.

H). Wtf does making a bad vote have jack to do with who you townread?

I) Why is she your strongest townread anyway? While I’m not currently sr her, she is certainly not amongst my top townreads, since she like you is ignoring good advice from players who have familiarity with my play. At the very best, she is not good town for doing that and once again. I don’t really care if either you or her agree with this or not.

I) I’m sorry you don’t appreciate my attitude but since I know I’m right here, I’m not changing it.

J). I am a very unorthodox player. There are very obvious town-based motivations for what I’m trying to do here. If you both familiarize yourself with FG Alice/Deemo games and try to not be closed minded about me, it will become blatantly obvious to you real fast.

A.) I'm saying that it came off, to me, as you trying to ascertain if there was an AC in the setup in order to inform a kill--I do not think the presence of an AC or not would affect AT ALL the likelihood of scum faking miller, ESPECIALLY given the situation it seems we have with multiple millers present and the mod-meta of likely informing scum of this miller situation/even there being a scum miller, which is why I asked if you had mod/game meta knowledge because the fact YOU KNOW there's likely multiple miller roles AND scum probably knows this means that town-you should know presence of an AC would have little bearing on scum faking as miller.

B.) I've been looking more into it and your positions make more sense coming from town with that knowledge, especially knowing that you are a more setup-oriented player, but I can't really reconcile point A right now.

C.) It doesn't matter if other people can vouch that behavior is NAI or link to a thousand games that prove it--I feel that your play, in this game, is more likely to come from scum than it is from town, and I'm going to grill you until I can come to a transparent read on your slot because I am having difficulty knowing for sure right now.

D.) Marquis isn't my #1 scumread--I don't have anything nearly close to a nuanced list of reads that I could put in order yet. I have people that I suspect and Marquis is among them due to adding quickly to an RVS wagon and staying on it without expressing why or doing much to actually seem to sort out Dunn's alignment. All of that, along with Marquis trying to corral more votes from specific people (me included), doesn't feel like town play to me.

I'd really like Marquis to address this.

E.) Doesn't all of this answer your question? My suspicions about you were immediate and you were here to respond so I voted for you. My reasons for voting you have little to nothing to do with the Dunn wagon.

F.) You came into this game pre-occupied with talking about millers and desperados and likelihood of roles as of your third post and have been very fixated on that. It really isn't until just this last page that you've been focusing more on this game rather than this setup.

G.) I'm not 'squandering' my vote. It's not like it's used up by sitting on you. If anything, talking to you has helped me figure out a lot about how you generally approach games and (hopefully) will help me sort you. I do not know if you would respond to me with the same degree of urgency if I had not voted for you and I'm keeping my vote on you until it needs to go on someone else or you clear my suspicions of you.

H.) Solidarity.

I.) brb laughing forever at you thinking it's 'good town' play to 'take advice' from people to not be suspicious of your suspicious play. D.Va town-tilted to me early and has been playing in a very forthright way, imo, which is far less likely to come from scum who think there's a bunch of Desperados out there waiting to bust a cap in their ass.

J.) Here's my problem. I think that you, as scum, would 100% see this setup and think the way you are playing is 'very town motivated' and you justifying your play as such makes my skin crawl.

Scum desperado will almost certainly shoot town miller. Town desperado shoots their strongest scumread, since they expect scum to NK them anyway.

Why does a scum desperado here shoot a town miller?
Can you walk me through this?
It does not make sense to me unless you think scum desperado is a functionally different role than town desperado and you're not saying that.

Varsoon has no familiarity with any game of mine, where I’ve been scumread. I was never sr in Undertale, Rocky Horror or Labrynth. The player he’s sheeping on me has 0 familiarity with me, period.

How is this a defense, though?
So what if I have no familiarity there?
I'm judging you based on what I'm seeing you do in this game.
In this game, you've been playing in a way that seems suspicious to me.
Don't write off my vote as a mere sheep either.

In Forgotten Hourglass they’re was a scum poisoneer who could poison people during the day. Have you never been in a game before with this type of mechanic?

I have never been in a game where scum has had the ability to end the day with a kill on town.
I've been in and designed games where scum get extra kills, but I feel scum is more likely to have a miller role than a desperado role in this setup. This is coming from my perspective as a mod/game designer, though, and not as someone very informed on FG's Alice games and design ethos. Why are you so sure that scum has a desperado instead?

[Wisdom]

oh look walls im not reading

[Gamma Emerald]

But would scum likely fakeclaim miller on D1?

This is the part I didn't like -- I mean, isn't the answer yes? They looked at the sample role PM, people started claiming miller. Why does scum not claim miller here? You think all of them are real?

I mostly dislike that you were commenting a lot on setup but not evaluating the claims themselves, instead categorically accepting them as a clump at the time. I also dislike the meta defense of you, your own self-meta, and your criticism of Varsoon.

But I do like your attitude, you seem like a cool cat. Did you roll scum Nancy?

Why does likeable attitude = scum?

[Varsoon]

Sorry about that. It's mostly for Nancy.
TL;DR: I don't know if this is town Nancy or Nancy playing what she believes is town Nancy but she's leaning heavily on this being meta-NAI and town while also seeming to have info we don't and presenting game approach that isn't logical given the data sets she should have, if town.
Also Marquis never informed his Dunn push and is now pushing me 'cus I called that out

[Gamma Emerald]

btw sakura if you're town you're going to have to prove it

like yeah i misread you before when you actually were town but i still feel burned. like. just talk to me

proving im town is easy, and you dont even need to talk with me!

...what?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
That miller claim is super shaky and more looks like you jumped on it for town points than an actual miller claim.

LA, why vote for GE while responding to a Sakura quote and as a first post, no less?

Sorry about that. It's mostly for Nancy.
TL;DR: I don't know if this is town Nancy or Nancy playing what she believes is town Nancy but she's leaning heavily on this being meta-NAI and town while also seeming to have info we don't and presenting game approach that isn't logical given the data sets she should have, if town.
Also Marquis never informed his Dunn push and is now pushing me 'cus I called that out

Idk that might just be how they play? This is off one game of meta though

[Varsoon]

What I'm saying is I'm having problems regardless of playstyle
And also Nancy leaning really on the 'that is just how I play get over it' justification makes me more suspicious, really.

Also nix my question about why scum desperados would want to shoot millers, I looked back and yeah that's the only way that a scum desperado would be able to shoot and get a kill without dying themselves. I'd thought the desperados die if they hit a miller. This also eases a little of what I suspected on Nancy, since I though Nancy was interpreting desperado differently for scum than town but I realize I just didn't know how the role works.

[Untrod Tripod]

And also Nancy leaning really on the 'that is just how I play get over it' justification makes me more suspicious, really.

what if we just lynch it because that means we won't have to read her posts anymore

vote Nancy

[Kokichi Oma]

I think this is Nancy's town game

[Kokichi Oma]

I'm so disappointed. I wanted to be scum for once in a FakeGod game but wherever are

[Kokichi Oma]

If you're a desperado. I say hip fire gamma since his Miller claim was not early or first post

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
not feeling it.

[Gamma Emerald]

If you're a desperado. I say hip fire gamma since his Miller claim was not early or first post

Oh fuck that noiseVOTE: Kokichi

[Marquis]

nos town - I agree with p much everything they've said
varsoon nulltown - I think he's overly fixating on me in a way that seems more emotional town than scum. scum would probably avoid coming off that way

also gonna add koki nulltown

[Marquis]

VOTE: Nancy
yeah I can do this

[Wisdom]

ut prolly another scum?

nancy votes are terribad

[Wisdom]

If you're a desperado. I say hip fire gamma since his Miller claim was not early or first post

why would you encourage desperados to hit millers

[Wisdom]

scum desp is going to be looking for an excuse to do it

[Wisdom]

marquis i want to think youre town

stop voting obvtown and vote lady with me

[Lady Angel]

[quote="In post 151, Nancy Drew 39"][/quote]
I would've made it more than one post, but then I'd have had a post with just "...what?" in it and that probably would've been an even worse first post.

Kokichi asking players to desperado millers when the desperado role kills millers like scum is a little ridiculous on day one. Wouldn't it be better to wait and reduce the number of possible misfires first?

[Wisdom]

Lady continues parroting and proving shes scum