Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Skygazer]

i mean i was online to see the prod pm so

[ruru]

votecount

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Flicker (6):	northsidegal (153),	Chickadee (1241),	Reasonably Rational (1459),	CheekyTeeky (1460),	Chara (1462),	Elsa Jay (1465),
NicoRobin (2):	Malakittens (1191),	TPFKAP (1274),
TPFKAP (2):	BuJaber (1258),	Thor665 (1275),
Thor665 (2):	Jingle (1295),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (1329),
Reasonably Rational (1):	NicoRobin (473),
Elsa Jay (1):	Toogeloo (729),
BuJaber (1):	Skygazer (881),
Chara (1):	Flicker (1425),
Not voting (1):	Gamma Emerald,

(expired on 2018-10-16 02:00:00) remain.

[Gamma Emerald]

nsg being prodded makes me want to vote nsg tbh

sorry work has been hectic

This is literally the definition of "speak their name, they shall come".

Your timing is impeccible. Literally a Minute after a prod.

Yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Skygazer

[Elsa Jay]

Have you fully caught up then, Gamma?

I dont blame you if you skiped a few pages. Also, plz don't derail this wagon, we need a lynch/claim from flicker. Vote them with us to get 7 for now. Nobody move it to L-1 tho since Thor mentioned wanting to hammer shit. With your vote it's effectively L-1.

Sky will be a secondary choice tho if you so desire.

[CheekyTeeky]

Not sure if Tor or NSG is scummier should Flicker flip town.

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven’t read but it’s going to be gruellingly slow at this point so I’ll read later

[Elsa Jay]

Not sure if Tor or NSG is scummier should Flicker flip town.

Plz. 1 scum at a time.

Get Flicker to 7 votes, not 8 since Thor wants to hammer. A 3p leading the town isnt the best thing. Cheeky, convince them all the stuff I said was your idea.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Not sure if Tor or NSG is scummier should Flicker flip town.

I think she is towny :shrug:

[CheekyTeeky]

Not sure if Tor or NSG is scummier should Flicker flip town.

I think she is towny :shrug:

I felt that too, but are you certain? Could you please relook?

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Not sure if Tor or NSG is scummier should Flicker flip town.

I think she is towny :shrug:

I felt that too, but are you certain? Could you please relook?

sure np

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

I read 1 post by flicker and it's towny af

why is this the wagon

-tor

[CheekyTeeky]

Which post? The first one?

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Which post? The first one?

the last one actually

the one where she votes chara

[BuJaber]

Lol Tor why are teasing us so much.. just speak your bloody mind already

VOTE: flicker
7 it is. Claim please and let's see if this wagon is full of hot air.

I think d1 lynch should be one of {flicker, TFP, Nico}

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

I see flicker talking about herself a lot and reacting to things naturally which I assume is someone's town game. she could be scum and just playing really well, but I don't see it and I don't think nsg's case on her was compelling.

-tor

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Flicker is obviously wrong about me but not sure if that's AI. However her early reads are kinda weird to me. But she used the cop out of saying it's anywhere from 1-100% strength which makes it nice and non-commital. Like what are you townreading Chick for already? Tw? Toogle?

- I liked Chick's question for me and her response, as well as her read on the RR wagon.
- TW's in my null/conflicted pile (I want him to be town, I like his defense of me/push on NSG, but could it be pocketing?).
- Toogle I already talked about, in 95 and 179, and nothing after that has made me question that read.

Pedit:

- NSG's scumread on me in 247 felt like self-conscious/overly analyzing town, rather than scum. The character of it felt pretty different from everyone else's reads at the time, when I feel like scum would be more likely to go with the casual flow that was already happening. I could see this as possibly scummy if she felt backed into a corner, but she volunteered the info in response to a relatively neutral comment, which seems way too awkward to be scum, even if she's bad at/doesn't like playing as scum.

What do you think about TPFKAP's presence?

TPFKAP's (lack of presence) wasn't great, either, but I'll give her a pass for now and assume she's being genuine in having shown up late.

By contrast, Nico's posting bothers me because she was clearly present at the start of the game, had at least a little sense of what was going on, and then disappeared. Honestly, I half-hoped adding my vote to the pile would Beetlejuice her and reveal that she's been lurking and deliberately holding back (in a way that would definitely be scummy). I guess it's possible she's busy or overwhelmed with the volume of the game so far, but right now her ISO just seems really off. I'd also support a policy lynch for lurking, no matter what reasons she may have.

Did you catch up on the whole thread?

Was this directed at me? If so, yes - I only post when I'm completely caught up.

I'm okay with hearing your self meta(not even utilized as a defense mechanism, but in general), because I don't know you and how you perceive your town/scum behavior is helpful to me in setting expectations.

-Cerb

I'll quote from my most recent Newbie game, where the IC asked a question that dovetails with this:

3) Do you prefer hunting mafia or manipulating town, and why?

I've only rolled scum once (in Micro 805.1), but I wouldn't say I really got the opportunity to

play

as scum, so I don't know which I prefer. Playing as town for me is as exciting as it is stressful, but the excitement tends to peak early (like, day 1) and the stress tends to just build after that. Sometimes, that stress sort of paralyzes me and blocks me from posting (I'm very conflict-averse, which is a trait I'm hoping Mafia can help me overcome), and theoretically playing as scum would be easier in that respect.

To expand on that, I've been thinking about why I seem to be so consistently scum read, and I think it's because my neuroticism bleeds through everything I post, and people pick up on that as "overly careful = scummy." I don't know if I'd be even more careful/neurotic as scum, or if I'd swing toward the opposite direction and be more relaxed, but hopefully eventually I'll find out. I know in the game I played off-site where I was recruited as scum, I basically dumped all my anxiety in the scum PT, which definitely changed my attitude in-thread (I got quieter and quieter as that game went on, too, IIRC).

Another thing that I think is making my meta different this game, is that playing off-site, where people were more friendly with each other, made me sort of look at the game and playerlist differently, from a collection of potential suspects (which I think is why I came in hotter my previous games, and what I think NSG has seen I'm lacking and dubbed a "minor scumtell") to a group of potential allies. This is also the first game where I'm really familiar with anyone, much less multiple people, which has also shifted my approach this game. And modding has shifted my perspective, too.

Considering that TPFKAP *literally Beetlejuiced* and also looks like an actual active lurk why are you not voting him and instead voting a slot you appear to agree looks like a likely flake out?

1) Where did TFPKAP Beetlejuice into the thread? I haven't interpreted any of her appearances like that.
2) I also wouldn't characterize her as an active lurker, at least not yet. Even if it was a case of active lurker vs non-active lurker, there's still slightly more in TFPKAP's ISO I like (post 738 and a general gut feeling).
3) I don't agree Nico's a likely flake out, just that it's a possibility.

While I definitely think Flicker’s vote on Chara and especially the reasoning for it is bad, I have to agree with my partner. I honestly think this slot’s flipping town.

~ Nancy

[CheekyTeeky]

If flicker is town, then who is scum on this wagon?

[Jingle]

1492 is hilarious.

[CheekyTeeky]

Is it your sole purpose to troll me this game Jingle?

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

If flicker is town, then who is scum on this wagon?

I don’t know. My strongest scumreads are offwagon. *shrug*

~N

[Chara]

Lol Tor why are teasing us so much.. just speak your bloody mind already

VOTE: flicker
7 it is. Claim please and let's see if this wagon is full of hot air.

I think d1 lynch should be one of {flicker, TFP, Nico}

what happened to the scumread on me?

[Thor665]

Thor wants to hammer.

When did I say that?

If flicker is town, then who is scum on this wagon?

I don’t know. My strongest scumreads are offwagon. *shrug*

~N

It's like there was the possibility of insight, and then it was stamped upon brutally.
Tor continues to be trash and continues to avoid me.
Him white knighting this wagon makes me think he's statistically more likely to be right about the potential alignment flip. This is based on me thinking he's primary groupscum, natch.

[Elsa Jay]

1 day and 20 pages?

Yeah - I'm skipping all of that.
Off of Page 1 I liked Elsa and Toranaga.

Is anyone in quickMjolnir range yet?

That and your second post made me slightly cautious. Just saying.

So your saying Tora is scum defending town here? Nani?!

[CheekyTeeky]

I keep misreading Thor's aggressive tone as scummy I think. Rereading his ISO, his aggression seems directed towards genuine sorting, and it's done in such a way that it's likely to ruffle too many feathers if he were scum.

I did agree with Jingle on the point that Thor does like his vanity wagons as scum, however ime he tends to tunnel hard when doing so. Here he's provided pretty fluid reads (e.g. his progression on Tor going from liking to "trash"), along with a number of scum/town reads, which makes me feel this style is quite different from what I remember of his scum game.

I'm really vibing with his read on Toranaga. I know Chara is pretty iffy about the NDS slot too so I wouldn't be sad if someone shot it :/ ok maybe a little sad but that's what you get for being scum.