Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[northsidegal]

I think i was townreading skygazer before and i think that was a mistake. That's not any sort of comment on McMenno's play, just some self-reflection which should hopefully be useful to look back on.

[northsidegal]

oh

i think nancy drew / tor are probably scum.

that's a bridge that i'll cross when i get there, i guess (which is to say, probably not today).

[northsidegal]

anyways
VOTE: tpfkap

[northsidegal]

oops, meant to do this in one of my earlier posts. just bookmarking this quote, quite mysteriously.

Spoiler:

If you beleive it Tor, we'd like to confirm it's true. Your vote now lets her prove herself as Priest with the non Self-Hammer.

Vote her to confirm her. Any unvotes on her is scum who dont want her to prove her role.

Seriously, who makes up priest? I hadn’t even heard of that role before her claim?

Not opposed but doubt she’s lying about that.

~N

[ruru]

votecount

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

TPFKAP (7):	Thor665 (1275),	Flicker (1502),	Gamma Emerald (1595),	Elsa Jay (1749),	CheekyTeeky (1787),	BuJaber (1807),	northsidegal (1827),
BuJaber (5):	McMenno (881),	Jingle (1594),	Toogeloo (1598),	Chickadee (1607),	Chara (1757),
NicoRobin (2):	Malakittens (1191),	TPFKAP (1274),
Reasonably Rational (1):	NicoRobin (473),
Flicker (1):	Reasonably Rational (1459),
Malakittens (1):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (1651),
Not voting (0):

(expired on 2018-10-16 02:00:00) remain.

[northsidegal]

any random group of four is going to have scum more likely than not unless you believe there to be less than four scum so I don't think it's a very meaningful statement anyway

Thanks for reducing all my work to a 'random group of four'.

I'm just saying that saying that "this group of four probably has scum in it" is about as useful as rolling dice. you said you think toog and chara are scum. do you think cheeky and elsa are not scum?

also, you said that "If you guys still refuse to see how RC/Chara slot is questionable at best, let's lynch Toog instead. Consider my vote on both" and then you vote chara instead. why?

Reading through McMenno's ISO actually strengthens my townread on bujaber. even lacking a lot of the context of this conversation it heavily reminds me of games before where i've seen bujaber go for this kind of group-based sorting and have people tear it down / question it / consider it ridiculous. i can't remember a single time it's happened where he's been scum.

pedit: hi ruru

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

I got distracted by PORKENS and Thor just now. Let me reread that...

Yeah, all excellent points for BuJabers demise. I'll vote later as like the hammer or something if it gets to that. But can you get everyone to click that spoiler tag and actually read it? Convincing all these personalities to agree with each other when most of them want each other dead will be hard.

SCUM SCUM SCUM

Scum is the combined anti town element.
Mafia is a team.

That's one way to say it, but I meant the team's actual name in the flavor. And aren't Scum/Mafia/Werewolf usually used interchangeably when they apply?

Does anyone know the name of the flavor of 'Mafia' we're dealing with?

SCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

WHY? WHY? WHY?
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFpx0vxkn8s

Okay, I approve of your political views and . . . ?



He already claimed neutral doc. Are you accusing him of lying about that?

~Nancy

[northsidegal]

by the way, (to continue my rampage of catch-up spamposting), that read has nothing to do with McMenno specifically and says nothing about my opinion on him.

i don't really remember if the people arguing

with

bujaber about those things were usually town - i think they were too, but i'm not sure and i wouldn't consider it as reliable as my first thought in any way. just wanted to clarify that

[Flicker]

Since TPFKAP is getting close to L-1, and I can't prove my role if I'm on the wagon before the hammer, I'll unvote for now.

UNVOTE:

I'm willing to switch votes with someone else to get the lynch through after that, though, so consider TPFKAP to functionally still be at L-2.

[Jingle]

When the RR votes were piling on I was flip flopping on RR, townreading him for reasons, scumreading him for others, trying to sort him through other ways like watching their interactions with others and engaging him myself. I was considering lynching them for the flip and to have a wagon we can lynch one of in d2 as votes piling on that quickly indicated scum on the wagon. Whether it was for bussing or to lynch a townie. But I wasn't sure if I really scumread them.

Except he wasn't. He was scumreading RR. Or rather, he expressed no townread or reasoning for a townread of RR prior to 605, where he has a read full of Nothing. 488 is when he expresses tacit approval of the wagon while not voting it.

1. Okay that point is clearer now. The difference being I was strongly suspecting the fight was TvS even before they started fighting. So the fight inflating the thread would by definition be caused by scum. Which is my original point about the inflation. Inflation doesn't happen because scum post nonsense by themselves. Inflation happens because scum continue or start converations about things that are not game-related.

Things like whether to policy lynch or how Tora vs RC you're an asshole rabble rabble rabble. Which, again, Buj was more than happy to let continue.

I didn't pick the names randomly.. I picked the names based on the fact that I find it extremely unlikely that 4 townies had the same read on a player being wagoned, then had the same change of heart, then had the same read on another player being wagoned, then had the same change of heart.

It is unlikely that 4 townies read RR as scummy and backed down and then later read Flicker as scummy and then backed down. Coincidentally, Buj thought RR's behavior was scummy, but decided he was town. And also Buj thought Flicker's behavior was scummy, but decided she was town.

And I'm curious.. if I had voted both of them.. do you honestly expect me to put myself in my own scum pool?

Nope no problems here. "Just because I match the profile of my scumpool, doesn't mean I should be in my scum pool." Is totally the issue. It's not "I match the profile of my scumpool, and thus there's something seriously wrong with my train of thought." You know, the town reaction to have to the realization that your scumpool is literally players behaving very similarly to yourself. The reaction Buj totally didn't have.

[Jingle]

VOTE: TPFKAP

Proxying for Flicker.

Flicker, would you be as kind to proxy for me on the other wagon?

[Flicker]

VOTE: BuJaber

Good idea, Jingle.

[CheekyTeeky]

RR, NDS choose a wagon please

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh you too Mala & nico.

[Elsa Jay]

Nico? You mean the ghost that whispers sweet greetings every 2 days?

[Chara]

i'm so tired.
BuJaber keeps feeling town to me in his posts. it's his stances i haven't liked.
i might go look at that more tomorrow.
also 1830 has kind of got my attention.

[Reasonably Rational]

i'm so tired.
BuJaber keeps feeling town to me in his posts. it's his stances i haven't liked.
i might go look at that more tomorrow.
also 1830 has kind of got my attention.

QFT.
-Cerb

[Chara]

NicoRobin
TPFKAP
Thor665
Malakittens
Gamma Emerald
northsidegal

players i doubt are scum: Rational, Chickadee, Jingle, McMenno, Flicker

paranoia pile: Toogeloo, Cheeky, BuJaber?, Nancy Drew Shogunate

special tier: Elsa Jay

it would be nice if all or most of the scum were in the pile that's left.

[Chara]

actually there is really no reason Jingle couldn't be scum, but he gets to be there because charisma and i'm too tired to think more about it. maybe in 2 game days or so.
Gamma's being boring, which in my experience means he's a) bored, or b) not town.

[northsidegal]

i think you should be townreading cheeky and would be interested to hear why you're townreading thor, chickadee and flicker

[CheekyTeeky]

Uh Chara wtf??

[CheekyTeeky]

I guess you haven't seen my scumgame and you did SR me in TM when I was obv town so idk.

[Chara]

why would town Bujaber have that reaction? he's not actually reading himself. that sort of lack of self-awareness is something i find towny, personally.

pedit: i'm not townreading Thor, and i am townreading Cheeky, just with paranoia.
townreading Flicker because in hindsight the wagon and the way Flicker claimed point to town. i guess it isn't one of my stronger reads but none of them this game are exceptionally strong.
Chick's just towny. i don't have much else to add.

pedit: the paranoia thing are players i don't want to lynch. tbe list at the top is "would lynch". should've made that clearer.

[Chara]

I guess you haven't seen my scumgame and you did SR me in TM when I was obv town so idk.

what's TM? don't recognize that acronym.

[Chara]

actually that post isn't clear at all, is it. i am very tired.
i took the playerlist and removed towny names. what's left are the not towny names at the top.