A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Jingle]

That sounds like mastina, tbh. When meatworld calls, she's a nonentity.

But seriously, though, why settle for two conftowns? The presumption from his post is that he believes lynching her will conftown two players. We have 22 alive, so presumably 5 scum. If mastina is scum 1, there are four other scums to lynch. If mastina is town, is scum really going to let her live to conftown 5 separate players? So we give her until 5 clears, and then if scum have magically don't shoot her, we pull the trigger there then. If scum kill her clears, it gives us reason to expect her clears are worth killing. If scum don't kill her clears, then if she flips town we have a bunch of clears. And if scum shoot her, we didn't waste a lynch on her. If she's scum, there are still other scum to lynch first. If she's leashed, it's literally a win/win.

Plus, we can just ignore sorting her because as long as she uses her ability everyday she's largely irrelevant to the thread and has a huge target painted on her back.

Mastina, when you get to this post sometime next year or whenever you're caught up, just gladiate the largest wagon whenever 1/2 deadline hits.

[Jingle]

tl;dr: It seems like a weird amount of concern over a slot with an expiration date.

[Varsoon]

Wait, mastina can clear 5+ town?
How even?

[RadiantCowbells]

A Story Revisited

Votecount 2.108:

Chickadee (7): Lady Angel, Mastina, Whemestar, KuroiXHF, Invisibility, jjh927, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Jingle, Porkens
Mastina (2): Nero Cain, Firebringer
Porkens (1): Vecna
Varsoon (1): Nosferatu
randomidget (1): Shiro
Lady Angel: (1): Skygazer
Whemestar (0):
Skygazer (0):
Jingle (0):
Firebringer (0):
Nosferatu (0):
Nero Cain (0):
The Meme Men (0):
jjh927 (0):
Vecna (0):
KuroiXHF (0):
Northsidegal (0):
Invisibility (0):
Nicorobin (0):

Not Voting: Sora, Chickadee, Northsidegal, randomidget, Nicorobin, Varsoon

With 20 alive it's 11 to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2018-10-15 17:00:00). The actual day end (flips) will probably occur some time after that.

Searching for a replacement for Nosferatu and Randomidget.

[Jingle]

Claimed public daycop, one use per day.

And people wanna lynch her to prove after two uses.

[Jingle]

People in this case being at least Vecna, possibly additional peeps, but the lack of "That's the most stupidest idea I've ever heard"s means at least something, I think.

[Varsoon]

That role doesn't exist.
Why did you say she should gladiate if she's a cop?

[Jingle]

Loyal gladiator that we can choose to no lynch with.

[Jingle]

The function is a public day cop.

[Firebringer]

yeah mastina role is a lot of bs

[Jingle]

?

[Varsoon]

Loyal gladiator that we can choose to no lynch with.

This seems like a trap.

yeah mastina role is a lot of bs

Yeah I think either
1. Mastina doesn't understand the role
2. Mastina has not divulged the entirety of the role
3. Scum have something to stop this role if it is as-described and a town role
4. Mastina's scum and lying about the role.

Leaning real hard on 2/3 because if Mastina is scum why even claim it?

[Jingle]

Okay, yeah, I went back and checked. Gladiate functionality is proven.

So lets look at the pros and cons of assuming mastina's role is true.

Pros:
If true, no mislynches.
If true, no ridonkulous town power roles need to claim and out to scum.
If true, possibility of project: overwhelming townblock.
If true, scum has to leash their scumkill to town's whims in order to stop the clear train.
If false, mastina doesn't endgame regardless.
If false, only dangerous to town in case of Overwhelming scum power. Mastina is not town, so would not contribute to town power levels. Therefore, there would be an equal balance of town power to fuck with scum's day.

Cons:
If false, mastina doesn't die soon.
If false, no clears.
If false, we no lynch consecutively for no reason.

CAn anyone else think of a single pro or con I missed, because to me it looks like an easy decision to try for a bunch of clears here.

[Jingle]

1. Mastina doesn't understand the role
2. Mastina has not divulged the entirety of the role
3. Scum have something to stop this role if it is as-described and a town role
4. Mastina's scum and lying about the role.

1 is unlikely.
2 is likely, but not necessarily a bad thing.
3 is possible(probable?), but there's a very limited pool of mechanics I'd use to balance it out and we can start looking to play around those. (To my mind, Godfather, miller, cult stand out. I'm probably missing something.)
4 is very unlikely imo. That seems so far out of mastina's character that I have no idea how to reconcile it. Additionally, it's caught by any negative investigation result on any of her clears, which if she's scum is incredibly likely given the whole: absence of town power bit. I could maybe see the gambit being a Godfather-gladiator, but the fix there is to investigate clears that survive a suspiciously long time, not lynch the potential uberrole.

[Varsoon]

Yeah that's what I'm saying
It's probably real likely to be 2 or 3
Either way that's all literally nothing to worry about when we should just be focusing on the game of mafia before the game of mastina

[Varsoon]

So real talk should I read all 107 pages?

[Firebringer]

i havent read it

[Jingle]

I'm going to at some point, but it might be well after the game is over. I've already read some of it, but when I did so I wasn't really interested in most players or solving the game.

Oh, also, GTMH, NR slot is town.

[mastina]

Alright, problem fixed and I'm home from work, so posting shortly!

[northsidegal]

i think i need to go over some of my townreads and cut out the weaker ones / the ones i was just sheeping other people on

[mastina]

@Mastina, I really do hope you feel better, but for your own sake, as well as for the game, please replace out. Take the time you need to get better, and be gentle with yourself.

Sorry, but my strongest scumread asking me to replace out is incentive to stay in the game as far as I'm concerned.

Also as a sidenote: A townrole that is basically a cop, that cannot be roleblocked.....would be really really op if we have any type of saving role that can keep Mastina alive. Its itching me the wrong way

You already have mod-confirmed proof that RadiantCowbells did not intend for my role to be used this way. He designed it as a clearly troll-role, given to someone who submitted a clearly troll pick, giving me what I deserved/asked for. He honestly, genuinely, legitimately didn't expect it to actually have utility.

That having been said. There are any number of methods which could counter my role. We already know this game is heavy on vote-relating abilities. NicoRobin's a limited triple-voter. Rylai and Lina claimed a conditional doublevote IN ADDITION TO their winning-any-gladiate ability. Kuroi said he'd survive the lynch. jjh has claimed a voting-related ability. I think that I'm missing some, too; you get the idea.

Even if none of those are scum (which is possible, though I am townreading all of them), those go to demonstrate that there can be scum with voting-related abilities. An easy go-to example would be a scum executor. Less-likely, a scum role which disables the no-lynch/forces a plurality lynch. Probably more, but you get the idea.

D2, when most players have not roleclaimed, is not the day to judge a role and said, "I hate it, don't think it's real".

Save that for like D5, after most players have roleclaimed.

Im really hating on this mastina ability by now. So freaking annoying that noone really has to take any ownership of any of their votes.

Not so.

I've made it clear I will only gladiate the player with the most votes, and unless L-1 with intent to lynch and consent of the town to do so, at deadline no less. Because of that, votes still hold meaning. Vanity voters/no voters are avoiding responsibility and people on wagons are still accountable because they are effectively deciding the (no-)lynch.

first of all you made arguments for why i was scum based on my posting than contradict yourself by saying my predecessor is who you were reading.

Who said anything about them being mutually exclusive? They're both true.

Maid Cafe was scum, and I was scumreading them.

You are scum, and I am scumreading you.

I can't read you, but that doesn't change the fact I developed a scumread on you, independent of the scumread I had on Maid Cafe.

VOTE: firebringer this is pure bullshitting scum trying to buddy town

Yep! Pretty much.

So why aren't we lynching Chickadee today, or at least gladiating her?

A good question!

You may note where my vote is.

[northsidegal]

my reads are aligning

strongly

with nsg's tbh

hey nsg any reason you havent laid down a vote?

been more focused on getting townreads and trying to PoE than getting scumreads, i suppose. i mean, there are people who i've looked at and think "hm this person doesn't seem town" e.g. nosferatu, maybe lady angel (that's one i need to reread), but there's nobody who(m) i've looked at and strongly scumread yet really.

is it silly that part of the reason i'm townreading porkens is for the choose your own adventure thing

honestly? i don't think so.

nsg how come Y O U are S C U M R E A D ing nos & lady angel


-LH, Frozen Angel

-shrug-

nos doesn't seem like town nos to me. can't really remember specifically why i was scumreading lady angel, i think it might've been a leftover artifact of when i was trying to solve this game before actually being in it.

[northsidegal]

readslist where i stop just crossing my fingers and hoping that mastina is town and i can trust her on some of her strong reads (still assumes that kuroi is town, however)

Spoiler:

{Sky, Porkens, jjh, Whemestar, Firebringer, KuroiXHF, Vecna}
{Mememen, Nicorobin, Chickadee, Titus, Invisibility, randomidget, GE, Ginngie, Nero Cain, Mastina}
{Nosferatu, Lady Angel}

tells something of a more grim tale, doesn't it?

[mastina]

Votecount.

Lies.

If I'm gonna do shit people need to react to my shit so I can have more shit to do

I work the same way btw. Reason I call for engagement. People engage me, I talk; they don't, I tend to not.

but it's assuming that Mastina was even considered to be a kill last night.

Given that everyone was loudly broadcasting.
"Protectives, be on mastina last night".
Yeah, uh.
No shit I didn't die last night?

You'd frankly had more reason to be concerned if I DID die last night.

Use that ability of yours on Porkens

I would prefer to use my ability to get a guilty on scum rather than an innocent on town. You want Porkens clear, sure, okay, I'll clear Porkens, but not unless he's the lead wagon near deadline. (With deadline frozen, that's "not any time soon".) Or at L-1 with intent to hammer, but good luck getting that kind of support given there's enough people who have the experience to know he's town, so.

You're a claimed spot with a day ability, and it's kind of holding the game hostage.

A fine narrative, except given my stated intention on how I'll use it (only gladiating the lead lynch, near deadline or at L-1 with intent to hammer and consent) along with people even toying with the idea of "fuck that ability, let's just lynch without it", quite self-evidently not the case.

Skygazer vs. NSG is lurker vs lurker goodness. Lets see who can lurk the best.

It's also town vs. town goodness.

[THE MEME MEN]

Mastina can you expand on nsg townread? I'm not strongly scumreading nsg independently, but Nancy Drew predecessor did not seem to be doing Nancy Drew townie things so I was thinking that slot might be scum.

Also can you summarize why your vote is on scum?

-RH