A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Chickadee]

My internet is out at home. Semi-temporary VLA. I’m trying to get it sorted out tomorrow.

[Aristophanes]

Ohey deedles is here! =D

Good luck with the i ternet shtuff!

[Jingle]

how about you actually read d1 instead of just my iso if youre gonna cherrypick some nonsense to suit whatever aganda youre pusbing here jingle?

first of all, i was at risk of dying, and was at like l2 or whatever. I wouldve been the lynch for certain if i hadnt done what i did. anyone that has ever played mafia would know how that situation wouldve played out if i continue doing what i did.

And as ive stated before, I indeed did not feel like doing readslist and going through a shitton of effort to rainbow code them when the entire game was dead and on lazymode, and like two people had provided reads. you can throw any fancy terminology at it to frame it anyway you like, but its bullcrap and only going to grab the attention of people like invisibility.

Yes. I'm going to drop every avenue of discussion until I've read everything.

First of all, no Vecna WASN'T at risk of dying, and to say otherwise is incredibly bleh. You know who got wagoned yesterday? Kuroi. You know who is now conftown? Kuroi.

Vecna was at risk of dying in precisely one situation: mastina's gladiate failed against him. That would happen because A: mastina was scum fakeclaiming for some reason (One for one trades benefit town) or B: Vecna was scum. To claim he didn't think he was going to be gladiated, he also would have to have been fully unaware of something that happened on like page 2. Which... Bullshit.

It was too much effort to give a readslist is A. Bullshit and B. Not the reasoning Vecna gave for not providing a readslist.

Vecna claimed he didn't because he was worried that continuing to post in the manner he had been posting would somehow suddenly become breaking his PR. Which is not how rules work. Either posting colors to convey messages was breaking the restriction or it wasn't.

If Vecna claimed he wasn't following along well enough to have reads, I would've raised an eyebrow, but would have accepted it. But he didn't. He claimed that he felt he would break his PR.

Additionally:

IC claim and retraction goes unanswered.
Not having a town D2 goes unanswered.
Attempting to lynch a player on meta while not acknowledging the assertion he has a history of misreading that player goes unanswered.
Incredibly bad approach to uber-role goes unanswered.

Yup. My case is cherrypicking things. I'm totally ignoring the context of you being wagoned when I say that you showing up to defend yourself (and fakeclaim D2 IC) but not showing up to provide reads is scummy. I'm sure you have a nice bridge to sell me too.

[Jingle]

Do I need to read 110 pages or is there a quick tl;dr for me?

Haven't finished reading myself, but I can give you what I know.

There's a wagon on Chickadee, which I have asked for an explanation of multiple times. The only response was Chickadee telling me that mastina can't read her.

There's a list of claims I'll dig up in a second.

Vecna had an "optional post restriction" day one that he apparently succeeded at. He claimed D2 IC through the post restriction while being run up, and retracted at the beginning of D2.

Mastina has claimed an insanely OP role that functionally makes it impossible to mislynch anyone as long as she's alive, and is lurkery due to RL shit. Vecna thinks we should lynch her to prove her role.

rm active lurked hard and meme men wants to lynch you.

jjh is pretty obvtown.

Can't think of anything else really important atm, but I'm not much farther along the getting caught up trail than you are.

[Jingle]

Mastina claims loyal town gladiator

whose gladiate can be no lynched

Vecna had an optional post restriction D1 he played out for role related benefits.

Claimed Flavor confirming fruit vendor and reflexive fruit vendor that could choose the flavor of the reflexive vend (via what music is playing in his house) with some additional power that he got from only posting in Cornholio quotes D1.

Skygazer is/was ascetic
I'm a video vendor. I can vend any time.
Firebringer can give guns????

I can't remember at the moment what else we've covered claim wise.

Varsoon claimed he can lock the thread and have everyone vote by PM before they are all counted simultaneously.
I claimed that my action has something to do with whether or not people can act at night.

Bolded mine.

[Jingle]

when is vecna not town here

Why is literally any of this worth a town read, let alone "When is Vecna not town?"

Still waiting on this answer, Vizzy.

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This post took 3 minutes to make. It would not take significantly longer to change the numbers into the letters of the cornholio posts. This is a shitton of work.

[Skygazer]

im willing to sheep jingle on this for the sake of consolidation and honestly its a decent case

VOTE: Vecna

jingle probs town?

[Skygazer]

hey nero why you lurking lol

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This post took 3 minutes to make. It would not take significantly longer to change the numbers into the letters of the cornholio posts. This is a shitton of work.

Would he be able to make that abundantly clear though? I doubt it

[Vecna]

how about you actually read d1 instead of just my iso if youre gonna cherrypick some nonsense to suit whatever aganda youre pusbing here jingle?

first of all, i was at risk of dying, and was at like l2 or whatever. I wouldve been the lynch for certain if i hadnt done what i did. anyone that has ever played mafia would know how that situation wouldve played out if i continue doing what i did.

And as ive stated before, I indeed did not feel like doing readslist and going through a shitton of effort to rainbow code them when the entire game was dead and on lazymode, and like two people had provided reads. you can throw any fancy terminology at it to frame it anyway you like, but its bullcrap and only going to grab the attention of people like invisibility.

Yes. I'm going to drop every avenue of discussion until I've read everything.

First of all, no Vecna WASN'T at risk of dying, and to say otherwise is incredibly bleh. You know who got wagoned yesterday? Kuroi. You know who is now conftown? Kuroi.

Vecna was at risk of dying in precisely one situation: mastina's gladiate failed against him. That would happen because A: mastina was scum fakeclaiming for some reason (One for one trades benefit town) or B: Vecna was scum. To claim he didn't think he was going to be gladiated, he also would have to have been fully unaware of something that happened on like page 2. Which... Bullshit.

It was too much effort to give a readslist is A. Bullshit and B. Not the reasoning Vecna gave for not providing a readslist.

Vecna claimed he didn't because he was worried that continuing to post in the manner he had been posting would somehow suddenly become breaking his PR. Which is not how rules work. Either posting colors to convey messages was breaking the restriction or it wasn't.

If Vecna claimed he wasn't following along well enough to have reads, I would've raised an eyebrow, but would have accepted it. But he didn't. He claimed that he felt he would break his PR.

Additionally:

IC claim and retraction goes unanswered.
Not having a town D2 goes unanswered.
Attempting to lynch a player on meta while not acknowledging the assertion he has a history of misreading that player goes unanswered.
Incredibly bad approach to uber-role goes unanswered.

Yup. My case is cherrypicking things. I'm totally ignoring the context of you being wagoned when I say that you showing up to defend yourself (and fakeclaim D2 IC) but not showing up to provide reads is scummy. I'm sure you have a nice bridge to sell me too.

If youre gonna claim stuff, at least read them posts youre referring to properly. I stated straight away in that post it was bullshit to ask me to push through reads lists while noone is doing readslists and I have a post restriction.

And if you cannot see that when its D1, Mastina hasnt been sighted in forever, noone has seen the gladiate in play yet, and you suddenly get ran up to near lynch in extremely rapid fashion, that someone might think he's about to be quickhammered, youre not even trying to read into a situation. Youre just trying to reinforce an idea that you formed.

Its cool youre trying to be all hipster and the like and take on the person being townread by everyone (except maybe 1-2 people), but they generally have good reason for it. Being, they were there, and they know what actually transpired. Being an iso-warrior can be helpfull at times, here its giving you the completely wrong context and youre just trying to brute-force everything to fit your theory.

Whether its scummy or just good-natured ignorance remains to be seen, but just drop it. Itll get you nowhere, and it has given you the wrong conclusion.

And yes, Ill continue to state that when your role PM stated "youre allowed one line of text" and you ask the gm to allow you more lines "for the purpose of fun" that abusing those extra lines allowed to code messages with colouring somewhat goes against the spirit of the game. Whether you agree with it or not, is completely besides the point. But feel free to continue your crusade I guess.

[Vecna]

im willing to sheep jingle on this for the sake of consolidation and honestly its a decent case

VOTE: Vecna

jingle probs town?

Explain why it is a decent case and you didnt come to this conclusion yourself before? All the information was easily there.

If you actually felt any of it was scummy, why didnt you state any hesitations before?

[Vecna]

As for your additional points:

IC claim and retraction goes unanswered.

Im pretty sure I answered this in my first post. In detail. With my reasoning. Dont pretend I did not. My flavor and role parts are all confirmable, and have been for part of it.

Not having a town D2 goes unanswered.

I dont know what this means.

Attempting to lynch a player on meta while not acknowledging the assertion he has a history of misreading that player goes unanswered.

The only person im trying to lynch on Meta is Porkens. Ive dropped my shit against FB (for now) and the "we might have to lynch Mastina" has nothing to do with meta, but everything to do with the fact she's not participating, but spending a bunch of (apparently phone-time) posting extremely long posts detailing her private life. This is not the main reason though. Ill detail this in another post.

Incredibly bad approach to uber-role goes unanswered.

Im also not sure what this means. You have no clue about my role, and im not gonna give you more information regardless.

[Vecna]

As for everyone jumping on the "we shouldnt do scums work for scum" regarding Mastina.

Youre only looking at it only from the positive gain we can get from it.

If she is in fact scum here without the loyal modifier, and we keep trusting her and lynching her....when is it going to stop? Do we keep townclearing people? For how long? Until day 3? Until day 4? Until day5?

The upside is there. Its significant. But youre ignoring the potential downside. If she is scum, and we find out only on day4 or later, we loose. There is no scenario I can see there where we simply come back from it. Itll be chaos, and we'll be questioning every single person she did duel and that was "towncleared". We will be on day 5 with no information gain from lynches, no wagons, no voting behaviour, no connections to analyze, we will have game participation and maybe some PR stuff if were lucky (although all these PR's floating around makes me think its unlikely were going to get much gain from it in the sense of catching scum).

So you guys tell me. What has Mastina done to give her a townread? Stop judging whether to let her live by the usefulness of her ability, because the downside is WAY MORE SEVERE. This is a choice that needs to be based on play. Giving her an ultimatum to duel scum or get lynched for the two townclears seems completely fine with me in this situation. If only to hold her accountable for her actions, because from where im standing she's given a lot of reads without any justification whatsoever, and is hiding 100% behind whatever the rest apparently decides.

[Vecna]

So yes, my strong preference is, we run up some dodgy person that wont be missed if scum kill them later on as a townclear, have Mastina gladiate them (or finally form a spine and give her own input/preference maybe, but whatever this also works), and either get a scum caught or lynch Mastina and proceed with two townclears if she flips town that both really wont be missed if scum is forced to kill them.

[Vecna]

Anyways, im happy the game is finally coming alive. Lets keep it that way.

Jingle, im probably sounding very defensive to you right now, but im giving you the open invitation to just have a dialogue with me. You'll come to see that your case (while probably coming from a right place) is just reaching some unfortunate wrong conclusions, due to shit that happened and must probably look dodgy to someone that just replaced in.

[WhemeStar]

im willing to sheep jingle on this for the sake of consolidation and honestly its a decent case

VOTE: Vecna

jingle probs town?

Explain why it is a decent case and you didnt come to this conclusion yourself before? All the information was easily there.

If you actually felt any of it was scummy, why didnt you state any hesitations before?

This feels like a desperate and dumb post

[Invisibility]

extremely towny solving
maybe my perspective's blurred with the amount of lurking going on but i think he can be sorted easier anyway when we cut out the chaff

[Invisibility]

actually

[Invisibility]

yah okay

[Creature]

Yawn

real life people are boring

[Creature]

should I catch up since page 1 to compensate today's bedroom?

[Creature]

Nah, screw it

[Creature]

Skygazer is/was ascetic

Was?

[Creature]

also why did no one tell me Kuroi got desperado'd?