A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Creature]

From town to scum:

Spoiler: Alive:

1) Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
2) Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
3) Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)
4) Nicorobin
5) Mastina
6) Gamma Emerald
7) Chickadee
8) Skygazer
9) Titus
10) KuroiXHF
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14) Vecna
15) Lady Angel
16) Vaxkiller
17) Wh4t
18) Ginngie
19) Nero Cain
20) Nosferatu
21) jjh927
22) randomidget

Nice try

[Creature]

From town to scum:

Spoiler: Alive:

1) Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
2) Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
3) Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)
4) Nicorobin
5) Mastina
6) Gamma Emerald
7) Chickadee
8) Skygazer
9) Titus
10) KuroiXHF
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14) Vecna
15) Lady Angel
16) Vaxkiller
17) Wh4t
18) Ginngie
19) Nero Cain
20) Nosferatu
21) jjh927
22) randomidget

why am I 12?

because you were born 12 years ago?

[Creature]

yah yah yah

Porkens town

but this is getting boring

[Creature]

ffs, I didn't have difficulty to reach page 60+ in Heroes Wanted

[Creature]

Ginngie
Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
randomidget
Skygazer
Invisibility
jjh927
Nosferatu
Wh4t
Porkens
Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)
Whemestar
KuroiXHF
Lady Angel
Vecna
Titus
Vaxkiller
Nicorobin
Chickadee

About this.

The closer to the middle, the more hazy it gets. Note that further north is more strong than further south for this though.

Wanted to start with clarifying these, though.

I had trouble forming separation in them, to give proper tiers.

But I want to explain more where I'm coming from.

This list can be thought of as a mixture of RVS and seriousness, in that it is entirely a serious list--but it involves a lot of guesswork on my part in areas.

The players near the top, there's no guesswork needed; they are actually town for definitive reasons, but it gets hazier the further down you get.

Ginngie is my top townread here because she instantly showed herself to be town. I get that she hasn't played much--I get that I haven't played much with her recently. I get that her scumgame is always getting, progressively, better and better. But in spite of that. There's just no way that her scumgame has improved in the leaps and bounds necessary for her to have so seamlessly hidden her tells. This is her towngame, through-and-through. I'm invoking the soulread privilege here; she's townier than an innocent child, town.

Nero Cain is not far behind. Nero Cain is quite capable of faking individual aspects of his town meta. It's not like he has any singular tell which works on him. He's quite capable of, say, posting up a storm as scum. But when it comes to Nero. There isn't just one aspect of difference between his towngame and his scumgame. There are multiple. And while he's capable of faking one or maybe two aspects of his town meta as scum. He can't fake them ALL. And this game, they are all, strongly, on display; he is town.

Gamma Emerald is actually a much, much easier to read player than people give him credit for. This one's a bit hard for me to explain, but all the promising signs are there. I loved his entrance into the game, and the insights he's been giving have been...well. Insightful, meaningful, and felt gamesolvy, while at the same time having his trademark level of laziness, for lack of a better word. It's casual, effortless, and natural, rather than stilted and artificial.

randomidget is a similar read. He's not that hard to get a good read on. He's always a bit of a "low-key" player, even lower than Gamma, but as town there's a certain level of insight he has even in his more "casual" style of posting. There's aspects of scumhunting and gamesolving to be found, and all the right markers are there.

Skygazer I have extensively witnessed her scumgame and towngame quite a lot (she's been in like literally every single Normal I've been a reviewer of as of late), and this is simply put not her scumgame. Not even remotely close to her scumgame. Immediately it's obvious to anyone with experience with her. The difference between the two is night and day. Even failing meta (which is, admittedly, not as extensive as Nero/Ginngie/Gamma/random metas), there's the content she has given, all of which has been in a direction I felt was distinctly pro-town.

Invisibility, I have basically no experience with whatsoever, but his gamesolving is quite similar to the others above, following the same patterns I've outlined. The insights he's given, the content he's contributed, have all felt natural, casual, and yet been pro-town in nature.

jjh, his mechanical talk I realize people didn't like--but I didn't care for it one way or another. For me, that wasn't really important at all and didn't affect my read on him whatsoever, being thoroughly null; regardless of his alignment, I feel like he'd have said much the same things as he did there. My townread comes from his content

outside

the mechanical talk, which is there if you look for it; all the places he's pushing, I can understand where he's coming from and even agree with a lot of it (see also, my placement of Titus and NicoRobin on my list and his treatment of their slots).

Nosferatu, I realize is a bit of a difficult read but I've had a fair amount of experience with Nos recently. Admittedly, basically all of it as town so I don't quite have the best knowledge of Nosferatu's scumgame, but. Everything I'm seeing matches the towngame performance I'd be expecting. There's the chance that I'm simply seeing NAI stuff across games and considering it town, but I still have liked Nos's content thusfar.

Wh4t and Porkens represent the point of null--but townish null. Herein enters the guesswork. Neither had posted at the time of my list, but the guesswork comes in, of their not having posted being a little town indicative. Not all "lack of posting" is created equal; for some users, it is indicative of town, for some it is indicative of scum, and for most it's just not indicative of anything at all. Differentiating between the three is an artform at best, but my guess here was that their lack of posting was town, more than scum.

Innocent Children had posted a lot, and while I liked what I saw more than I didn't, it wasn't anything I felt was strongly clearing of them.

Rylai and Lina had posted a fair bit, but I was far more ambivalent on their content, with about equal feelings of town/scum on them, but nothing I felt was strongly indicative of alignment.

Maid Cafe had posted a fair bit, but I wasn't that fond of their content, not liking it more than I liked it--yet in spite of disliking their contributions, it didn't feel strongly alignment indicative. Scummy, without necessarily indicating being scum, if that makes sense.

WhemeStar hadn't posted, so he was another guesswork. He's more of a nullish null, in that I thought his lack of posting wasn't really indicative of alignment.

Kuroi did post--once. 285 was something which I could easily see coming from either alignment, but I felt was slightly more likely to come from scum.

Lady Angel also had only one post--47. Similarly, it was something I could see coming from either alignment, but I felt that if Lady Angel were town, it was more likely her RVS would have had interactions with those who had already posted; it did not.

Vecna hadn't posted, so while this is also guesswork, this is a scummish null, because he absolutely

should

be posting, and posting up a storm no less. Vecna's both an incredible wallposter, and incredible spamposter. His post count is always in the hundreds, usually the 300-800 range. And in spite of producing that number of posts, about 33-50% of said posts are wallposts. He is someone I would expect to be incredible active in the game and among the first to be posting in it, so his absence felt strange.

Below that point, you get into actual scumread territory, but admittedly, not strong scumreads.

I hated pretty much everything Titus was doing and felt it was far more likely to be pushing a scum agenda; her one saving grace is that sometimes, a town Titus really does believe in those frankly anti-town things as in her moonlogicky mind being pro-town even though they really aren't. Still. While it

could

come from her as town, it is far more likely to come from her as scum.

Vaxkiller's entrance into the game felt entirely wrong. This is a little hard for me to really explain, but the places he's pushed and what he's doing just feel like...they're lacking something. Vaxkiller has a weird way of being oddly passionate as town, with some strange logic but still being someone with respectable good insights and reads, yet everything he's given has felt...lackluster. Like there was something from it missing.

NicoRobin is a read I am deliberately avoiding explaining for now; I am looking for something quite specific, but with it absent she's scum.

Chickadee's entrance into the game screamed scum, and nothing she's done in the game since then has shown anything else but scum. She's not scumhunting, not really, and is just kinda there, more worried about herself than she is about finding scum, with comments that don't contribute much of anything.

So that's where I was coming from; I need to read and give an update on these.

This post deserves reference

[Creature]

can agree on Ginngie
can agree on Nero Cain
can agree on Gamma Emerald
can agree on randomidget (based on my experience with scum!him)
can agree on Skygazer
can agree on Invisibility
jjh I need to re-review, but almost there
can agree on Nosferatu, but that should be obvious

Seeing Porkens is the null line, but would put him among the town

Now for the scum:

Innocent Children did nothing tbh
Rylai and Rina didn't do anything either
Maid Cafe idk, those hydras are all weird
WhemeStar idk
Kuroi is towncleared now
Lady Angel can go tbh
Vecna would put as town

Titus idk, can't read her
NicoRobin I thought was town, but can listen to
Chickadee seemed town tbh

[Creature]

jjh
Innocent Children
Rylai and Rina
Maid Cafe
WhemeStar
Lady Angel
Titus
NicoRobin

that's my PoE

[Creature]

(even though I think my Ginngie townread is more of a sheep)

[Creature]

just left some mash where flavorclaiming would get you modkilled

[Creature]

also realised OP isn't trustable

[Gamma Emerald]

just left some mash where flavorclaiming would get you modkilled

So?

[Creature]

1) The MEME Men

Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)

2) Northsidegal

Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)

3) Firebringer

Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)

4) Nicorobin
5) Mastina
6) Gamma Emerald
7) Chickadee
8) Skygazer
9) Varsoon

Titus

10) KuroiXHF
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14) Vecna
15) Lady Angel
18) Jingle

Ginngie

19) Nero Cain
20) Creature

Nosferatu

21) jjh927
22) Aristophanes

randomidget

[Creature]

just left some mash where flavorclaiming would get you modkilled

So?

saw some players flavorclaiming here

[Creature]

Will I have to do everything alone?

[Creature]

I mean Stargazer might appreciate Wh4t's meatless posts but I do not.

lol Skygazer gained a meme nickname

[Creature]

need to reconsider Invisibility

[Creature]

pagetop

vote:Ginngie

fuck you bro, I was clearly trying to post the vc on the page top.

votes not moving. i am legit pissed.

-_-

thought you had something serious

[Creature]

i volunteer myself to be desperado'd

im a strong scum player and very mislynchable as town so having me as conftown would be cool

im competent enough to not be dead weight as conftown once im less busy and not likely to be nightkilled early when considering the playerlist and my role

[Creature]

Video vendor makes sense as some special role though

the only info I can get is that RC likes that role

[Creature]

Ive lost to scum vizzy three times now so no

Who's Vizzy?

[THE MEME MEN]

jjh
Innocent Children
Rylai and Rina
Maid Cafe
WhemeStar
Lady Angel
Titus
NicoRobin

that's my PoE

Sup creature

Can you expand on your experience with random because I haven't played with him before but he looked scum to me here.

I could join you on titus tho.

Nico I was thinking might be third party due to the triple vote but tbh I am not that good at setup spec. Do you think 5 scum could have a triple voter here?

--rh

[Invisibility]

Ive lost to scum vizzy three times now so no

Who's Vizzy?

me

[jjh927]

I wasn't the one flipflopping in five posts a row

None of that was flipflopping

[Creature]

Nico is a triplevoter?

[NicoRobin]

Yes, and mastina changed her read on me later on.