A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Vecna]

Hmmm crap, I think im getting a sense of what Nico is actually trying to tell us here.

[Vecna]

What im thinking youre trying to say still makes no sense with your actions earlier in the day though. Like were you posturing, or did you really want to vote Porkens?

[NicoRobin]

What im thinking youre trying to say still makes no sense with your actions earlier in the day though. Like were you posturing, or did you really want to vote Porkens?

I was testing my triple vote ability.

[Vecna]

Do you have a high confidence that its actually Mastina that is scum, and not Porkens setting you up for the dirty work?

[NicoRobin]

Do you have a high confidence that its actually Mastina that is scum, and not Porkens setting you up for the dirty work?

Yes, why?

[Vecna]

Because it.....changes things.

[NicoRobin]

In which way?

[Vecna]

reads are really terrible

They objectively are.

I didn't want to bring this up, but the reads list wall you made is pretty much 100% of the reason I'm scumreading Vizzy.

Was this scum truthtelling?

[NicoRobin]

You asking me, or somebody else?

[Vecna]

Ok, im not sure if what I think is happening is happening.

What an annoying situation. Did you have a neighbourhood with Porkens?

[Vecna]

Actually dont answer that.

[Lady Angel]

@Nico

Why are you so hung up on Mastina, anyways? The role is confirmed to behave a certain way that is useful to town, and Mastina is more or less letting the town use it instead of her. Regardless of alignment, it's a good thing to have around.

also, answer these:
- Who else is scum, besides Mastina to you?
- Why do you have this certainty that Mastina is scum despite targeting Porkens last night? Is it solely because most of the game thinks she's town?
- Why did you fall back to lurking being your town trait as a defence when you aren't lurking this game?

[NicoRobin]

No, and you should see what happened to scum the last time they tried to use a neighborhood to try and manipulate me. (Hint: I got them borked)

[Nero Cain]

Why are we trying to lynch Mastina instead of just waiting for her to replace out or otherwise get force replaced?

She won't replace out, and she won't be force replaced because she keeps prodging.

and it's kind of holding the game hostage.

I mean its really not though.

It kind of is if we're keeping her around to use her ability day after day until we flip her for the results.

How many votes is Mastina at?

I'm in agreement that if Mastina is too busy or too sick to play she should replace out. Scum her is also plenty capable of using RL excuses to lurk. I also think that this using her ability and no lynching is actually pretty anti-town.

"but teh confirmed town!"

Yeah, I get it but no lynching in the early game is advantage scum. We need to strike some equilibrium between lynching and using this ability. If we do use this it should be on hard to read/lynchbait/players that won't get shot like Wheme or Sky or invisibility or LA. I do have a theory but I want more data/don't want to muddy the waters so I'll post about it some other time.

my reads are aligning strongly with nsg's tbh

So NSG is the bad town you've decided to sheep.

Though TBF

been more focused on getting townreads and trying to PoE than getting scumreads, i suppose.

really makes me twitch.

Skygazer is/was ascetic

she never was.

Plus, we can just ignore sorting her because as long as she uses her ability everyday she's largely irrelevant to the thread and has a huge target painted on her back.

yeah, we won't be doing this.

In case it is unclear, at this point the only policy lynch that I will humor is a BoP lynch.

Who would you use BOP on? BOP is a trash argument anyways.

Fuck all

Town don't automatically have good reads

Well, it also says that you are ignoring your supposed team.

jjh and jingle are scum together.

fixed.

[NicoRobin]

@Nico

Why are you so hung up on Mastina, anyways? The role is confirmed to behave a certain way that is useful to town, and Mastina is more or less letting the town use it instead of her. Regardless of alignment, it's a good thing to have around.

also, answer these:
- Who else is scum, besides Mastina to you?
- Why do you have this certainty that Mastina is scum despite targeting Porkens last night? Is it solely because most of the game thinks she's town?
- Why did you fall back to lurking being your town trait as a defence when you aren't lurking this game?

- Jingle and jjh
- I just want the players to consider every possibility. Call it whatever you like, I just don't want another loss to happen because of people townreading some one just because of their role
- Because that wasn't defence. That was highlighting double standards.

[Nero Cain]

jjh and jingle are scum together.

fixed.

- Jingle and jjh

Mindmeld!

[Nero Cain]

oh, but in my current tinfoil, I think Mastina is a green pm.

[NicoRobin]

oh, but in my current tinfoil, I think Mastina is a green pm.

I don't.

[NicoRobin]

oh, but in my current tinfoil, I think Mastina is a green pm.

Is it just because of role? If so, don't. Just don't.

[Nero Cain]

no, its not b/c of role.

[Jingle]

reads are really terrible

They objectively are.

I didn't want to bring this up, but the reads list wall you made is pretty much 100% of the reason I'm scumreading Vizzy.

Was this scum truthtelling?

Nah, just objectively true.

Your reads list was approximately half the town is weak townreads but they're good enough to fool you, approximately half the town is null reads, 2 players are scum (Note, this is FB and Porkens) and 2 players are town (Including the innocent result.)

That's a for shit reads list, and thinking you should be obvtown for gamesolving when that is the result is suspicious as hell.

[Jingle]

I reiterate: don't vig me until I out my result.

Not gonna vig you at all. The deal I made with FB was to kill GE in return for a day's reprise on mastina. When I offered to have it be you it was when your only claimed power was triple voter, and I most certainly wouldn't vig a claimed rolecop.

[Gamma Emerald]

This No Lynch guy is so screwed.

Got anything more relevant for us?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, you conveniently neglected to address this

Okay, but what if I rc her and prove that she was lying. What then?

In that situation, Mastina would presumably try to gladiate you. Note that Mastina must activate this ability in chat, and so she cannot specifically choose to fail it, and it is publicly visible when she has attempted it.

The way you would claim a guilty on Mastina is saying she is not loyal. At which point, if you were telling the truth, she would still be able to gladiate you, and thus we would lynch Mastina. If you say she's not loyal, and then she fails to gladiate you, then we would lynch you. This is mechanically solved by itself.

Enjoy the corner you are in

Ok
But Jingle was proposing to shoot Nico
Who is literally the one person who can prove or disprove mastina as far as we know
Does that not strike you as shady?

[Gamma Emerald]

However, there is a part you neglected to include: what if my rolecop says that her entire role is false, not just the loyal part?

Yeah no wtf, she LITERALLY has proven she can graduate people. This is Flat Earther levels of density.