Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

[skitter30]

i'm not sure

if kokichi is town then gamma maybe? i haven't really thought through the associatives

nsg is pushing nos rn so a little bit less likely that it would be her

[Kokichi Oma]

then gamma maybe? i haven't really thought through the

Lol

[Nosferatu]

Why do you think he needs to die tomorrow? You’re scumreading me and nsg right?

he's hated so he can't be in lylo

i infinitely want either one of you mroe than town kokichi

But a mislynch today makes tomorrow lylo
I am just baffled over this seeming oversight, it feels like you’re scumslipping here

no im just that confident that you or nsg flip scum here

[Nosferatu]

I don't understand how Nos chooses to follow Reck (a Nos scumread) onto Gamma (a Nos townread) instead of voting Kokichi (a Nos scumread)... what's the underlying thought process that leads to this?

because i changed my mind?

[Nosferatu]

you also act like any of my votes this game are as simple as "i scumread x now i am voting them" up to this point. It's like you willfully ignore things in front of you and pretend they don't exist

[Nosferatu]

rc still scum tho
VOTE: rc

i would comment on how annoying it is to play with people who deliver ultimatums at a moments notice but can't handle being scumread on both alignments but i know rc just doesn't care so like whatever

i was continuing a bit anyway so this doesnt matter to me to begin with

VOTE: nsg

VOTE: porkens

VOTE: varsoon

porkens is town and if we keep votes on him hes gonna do something dumb o/

VOTE: irrelephant

^ all votes that are not on scumreads

i might even go as far as to say other than gammag(who doesn't really count because they openscummed), I have not had a scumread this game til now.

[Nosferatu]

... because the hated modifier doesn't fall off?

why would you want him in lylo?

if we lynch scum its not lylo

are you really trying to see my pov or are these questions just pointless?

[Shoshin]

Changing your mind isn't a problem. The issue is changing your mind without any underlying thought process.

Explain the change on Koki & Gamma.

[Shoshin]

... because the hated modifier doesn't fall off?

why would you want him in lylo?

if we lynch scum its not lylo

are you really trying to see my pov or are these questions just pointless?

If you're town, you don't know who the scum are. Only the scum know who the scum are.

If we mislynch a townie other than Koki, we lose. The game is over. So today's lynch matters quite a bit.

If we mislynch Koki today, we still get to use night actions and those actions might increase our chances of lynching scum tomorrow (via investigative results, for example). So, what's the harm in lynching Koki? Either way, we only have one shot to lynch scum.

Let me put this as simply as possible for you. If we lynch Koki, he flips scum or we get another chance to lynch tomorrow with more information about the game (via night actions).

If we lynch anyone who isn't Koki, they flip scum or we lose the game.

Do you see the difference? Why are you opposed to giving the town an extra night of actions to increase the chances of lynching scum?

[Shoshin]

I don't understand how Nos chooses to follow Reck (a Nos scumread) onto Gamma (a Nos townread) instead of voting Kokichi (a Nos scumread)... what's the underlying thought process that leads to this?

because i changed my mind?

What caused the change? Point me to the specific posts from Koki and Gamma that changed it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you think he needs to die tomorrow? You’re scumreading me and nsg right?

he's hated so he can't be in lylo

i infinitely want either one of you mroe than town kokichi

But a mislynch today makes tomorrow lylo
I am just baffled over this seeming oversight, it feels like you’re scumslipping here

no im just that confident that you or nsg flip scum here

I mean I figured that was possible, I just didn’t want to give you an out
You saying that means you aren’t 100% sure the team is exactly me+nsg though right?

[Nosferatu]

If you're town, you don't know who the scum are. Only the scum know who the scum are.

OK, so then you think im bussing right now?

If we mislynch Koki today, we still get to use night actions and those actions might increase our chances of lynching scum tomorrow (via investigative results, for example). So, what's the harm in lynching Koki? Either way, we only have one shot to lynch scum.

see I disagree. I don't have confidence, in you all as players, to actually make investigations that would lead to results. I would rather lose here than lynch kokichi today, and then lose tomorrow.

Isn't it possible that scum have used switcheroo on kokichi with some town (I'll say me for example), you lynch me, I die, and scum bum rushes kokichi tomorrow for the win.

I could easily make the argument that its basically mylo right now

[Nosferatu]

You saying that means you aren’t 100% sure the team is exactly me+nsg though right?

sure, but im confident enough to not ~really~ care.

[Nosferatu]

Explain the change on Koki & Gamma.

your perceived scumread from me onto kokichi was from a PoE list, and kokichi hadnt proven himself town to me

there are now people who are scummier to me than kokichi has now proven himself to be one way or another, so I'm not willing to lynch kokichi.

That's what caused my initial shift. Now, kokichi's insistence on voting gamma basically conf-towns him to me.

[Nosferatu]

What caused the change? Point me to the specific posts from Koki and Gamma that changed it.

im not going to show you why i scumread gamma cause if youre asking you just dont want to read

[Nosferatu]

You saying that means you aren’t 100% sure the team is exactly me+nsg though right?

sure, but im confident enough to not ~really~ care.

the reason why ive got any uncertainty at all is cause im not ~entirely sure~ you guys are really trying

[Shoshin]

I don't have confidence, in you all as players, to actually make investigations that would lead to results. I would rather lose here than lynch kokichi today, and then lose tomorrow.

Isn't it possible that scum have used switcheroo on kokichi with some town (I'll say me for example), you lynch me, I die, and scum bum rushes kokichi tomorrow for the win.

I could easily make the argument that its basically mylo right now

You're saying it's not worth giving some townies the chance to use night actions because you think we suck at the game? What's the basis for that claim? Why do you think we suck? (For the record, I haven't been on any of the mislynches, and I've won my past 6 town games... and I know from experience that skitter, NSG, and Gamma are all very capable players....)

And even if you think we're bad, why are you opposed to using the opportunity to use night actions? What's the harm? This is a situation where there's no down side, only potential up side, yet you oppose it? You're blatantly being pro-scum...

And the idea that scum wouldn't use switcheroo on themselves is a non-starter. If Koki used switcheroo on himself, it's because Koki is scum. That much is pretty clear.

[Shoshin]

Meh, this has been illuminating.

We'll lynch Nos tomorrow.

[Nosferatu]

exactly why i dont want to lynch kokichi right now

because your train of thought leads to a scum win

[Shoshin]

What caused the change? Point me to the specific posts from Koki and Gamma that changed it.

im not going to show you why i scumread gamma cause if youre asking you just dont want to read

I've read the game more than once. I'd like to know your thought process because as far as I can tell, you completely fabricated your reads. I don't see anything that would lead someone to change their mind in the way you did at the time you did, other than an opportunistic desire to be on the Gamma lynch, regardless of Gamma's alignment.

[Nosferatu]

You're saying it's not worth giving some townies the chance to use night actions because you think we suck at the game? What's the basis for that claim? Why do you think we suck? (For the record, I haven't been on any of the mislynches, and I've won my past 6 town games... and I know from experience that skitter, NSG, and Gamma are all very capable players....)

i dont think you suck at mafia in general, I think within the void in this game, I don't trust you to win it for us. Maybe win it for the scum team.

[Shoshin]

exactly why i dont want to lynch kokichi right now

because your train of thought leads to a scum win

Not really, no. I hadn't thought to lynch you until this conversation, where you have revealed a total absence of any thought process underlying your reads.

[Nosferatu]

I've read the game more than once. I'd like to know your thought process because as far as I can tell, you completely fabricated your reads. I don't see anything that would lead someone to change their mind in the way you did at the time you did, other than an opportunistic desire to be on the Gamma lynch, regardless of Gamma's alignment.

then you cant understand me, and there's no point in explaining it to you.

[Nosferatu]

Not really, no. I hadn't thought to lynch you until this conversation, where you have revealed a total absence of any thought process underlying your reads.

what do you mean not really. I knew this would go this way. That's why I don't trust you to win.

[Nosferatu]

And the idea that scum wouldn't use switcheroo on themselves is a non-starter. If Koki used switcheroo on himself, it's because Koki is scum. That much is pretty clear.

what? I just told you why it makes sense for them to not use it on themselves. Are they not able to use it on others?