A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[jjh927]

I feel like that's the kind of logic pushed by someone who is scum with Nico actually wow

[northsidegal]

That's fucking terrible logic

it makes sense on some level to me if we can be confident in our reads. after all, if we're already assuming they're not both scumbuddies, mastina gladiating nico would be a waste if nico is town, as we'd already be assuming she's town on mastina's scumflip.

[Jingle]

We make the decision before the gladiate even happens. Because if we decide to lynch mastina and she flips town loyal gladiator, we already now nico is scum and a different gladiator target tells us more.

[jjh927]

Yes but I'd much rather keep the town loyal gladiator

[NicoRobin]

Also, what do you mean "if"

We're 100% lynching in Mastina and NR because there is guaranteed scum in there and also a foolproof way of determining which one it is

Seems mighty convenient that you want to get me lynched as opposed to the person who lied about their role.

Trying to give your partner a window of opportunity to survive by getting the person who guiltied her get lynched instead of her?

p-edit: Okay, so let the possible scum live so they could endgame easier? Seems kosher......

Isn't that just nice? Two of my scumreads are setting things up so that the third could endgame the town easier, and the third is largely AWOL and letting the other two do all the work

[jjh927]

Fuck are you gonna make me case Nico here I have a presentation this week and this is gonna be a long ass case

[jjh927]

I'm also just gonna pretend I didn't see that post because Nico doesn't seem to understand what is going on

[jjh927]

Jingle who did you replace again

I feel like someone who can actually talk mechanics would have had to have told NR how best to fake a guilty here

[Jingle]

Then you want to lynch nico. Which is the decision we’re making before the gladiate even happens.

I’m not advocating not making a decision. I’m advocating hedging our bets for the chance we choose wrong.

[NicoRobin]

Yes but I'd much rather keep the town loyal gladiator

More misinterpretation......

She is disloyal, as my result proves.

So unless you can 100 % prove that my result is a lie, she is not loyal.

[northsidegal]

skygazer was my number alright?

[Jingle]

Gingie.

Also, I have to consider whether somethings are best shared or not shared.

[jjh927]

Then you want to lynch nico. Which is the decision we’re making before the gladiate even happens.

I’m not advocating not making a decision. I’m advocating hedging our bets for the chance we choose wrong.

We physically can't choose wrong if we get Mastina to gladiate though

[NicoRobin]

I'm also just gonna pretend I didn't see that post because Nico doesn't seem to understand what is going on

I understand that you want to lynch me before your partner so that you can save her.

If this is not the case, then you should have no qualms about flipping her first, so why not flip her first?

[Skygazer]

VOTE: Nico

i dont think mastina's claim comes from a disloyal scum because going around clearing random players and preventing no lynches is rlly suboptimal??

[Skygazer]

@nsg ill find out tomorrow!

[jjh927]

Look at gamestates

The only difference in what you are suggesting is that if people want to lynch Mastina, we get Mastina to gladiate someone other than NR.

If she is scum, then we get the same amount of info as we would have done before.
If she is town, then we mislynch where a guaranteed lynching of scum was possible, but we get either a conftown or a guilty separate to NicoRobin out of it and lynch NR the next day.

[jjh927]

I don't think the second scenario is actually better

[Skygazer]

VOTE: Nico

i dont think mastina's claim comes from a disloyal scum because going around clearing random players and preventing no lynches is rlly suboptimal??

*preventing mislynches

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: Nico

i dont think mastina's claim comes from a disloyal scum because going around clearing random players and preventing no lynches is rlly suboptimal??

*preventing mislynches

Gaining towncred for it?

[jjh927]

VOTE: Nico

i dont think mastina's claim comes from a disloyal scum because going around clearing random players and preventing no lynches is rlly suboptimal??

*preventing mislynches

Going tinfoilier, my current train of thought is that Jingle coached a fake guilty as disloyal rather than no modifier in order to push this logic, as a "no modifier" guilty would not allow for this suggestion which actually potentially allows NicoRobin to 'win' an otherwise unwinnable 1V1

[Skygazer]

VOTE: Nico

i dont think mastina's claim comes from a disloyal scum because going around clearing random players and preventing no lynches is rlly suboptimal??

*preventing mislynches

Gaining towncred for it?

why gain towncred and burn it by hard lurking??

[jjh927]

Sky, I think the motivation behind it as scum is that she didn't realise her role had any potential for impact on the game until I pointed it out, at which point she would be locked into using it like that because not doing so would make her obvious scum.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Mastina

I honestly do not think this is a town role and I feel that my role is diametrically opposed to it.

[Jingle]

No. If she’s scum, a successful disloyal gladiate is still a townclear.

If she’s scum, we don’t have a guaranteed way of lynching scum because she could easily be faking the trigger condition for her gladiate ability to setup a fake guilty.

The only solid way we can be sure of their alignments is if the gladiate is successful, in which case nico is town and mastina is scum. If we decide that that is the likely case anyway, then hell yes I want to have an insurance policy in case we chose wrong.