In post 3403, Jingle wrote:Nico to my question you prematurely answered for her.
Mastina in general.
And the percentage of claimed/semi claimed players.
All of these are important.
Dunno what the question was but it sounds like it was probably answered
Waiting for Mastina in general is cool but shouldn't cause you any issues wrt strategy optimisation
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Spoiler: The MEME Men
In post 2066, Rylai and Lina wrote:I'm a double voter town with one shot investigation ability of some sort who will win gladiates if a gladiator targets us. I just had a crisis in life and had to flake and whenever I was online on ms this thread was locked.
I will need till night to catch up and read stuff about this game and to try to communicate with my hydra partner. If I can't get that to work I will replace out
In post 48, mastina wrote:I was expecting a troll role when I submitted my picks, and hoh boy did RC not disappoint.
I am Ginngie, Hated Loyal Gladiator
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Outside of lylo/mylo (which is purely by the numbers, per the role wording), I take one less vote to lynch.
I can gladiate anyone by claiming a guilty on them, but if they're not town-aligned, it'll fail.
I can maybe, MAYBE use this as a conditional cop, IF we can no-lynch after a gladiate (I need to ask RC about this), but if not, yeahhhhh...
In post 2850, Varsoon wrote:Jury's still out on how my role would interact with other vote-related powers but yeah
Everyone gets to cast a vote via PM and it's not revealed who voted who.
In post 1839, KuroiXHF wrote:BTW, I can post at night. I am alive, but not the same as everyone else.
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
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Spoiler: Vecna
In post 1929, Vecna wrote:Alright here goes. Im sort of waiting for someone to pop their head in, but explaining stuff wont hurt (or maybe it will, but itll all be alright). Also on mobile and not at home so this may go in pieces.
JJH was on the right track, but he was asking completely the wrong questions.
My post restriction day1 was optional. The original restriction was that I could only state I am cornholio and that i need tp for my bunghole. I was cheeky and asked RC if I could also use the other cornholio quotes to make it less bland. he hesitantly agreed. I could not vote day1 without ruining the restriction. The reason I did not want to continue too much with the answering questions was that I felt it was not in line with the spirit of the role design, and RC had already given me more leeway in what I could do. I felt if I continued it might result in me failing the clause and it being for nothing. Besides that, asking someone with a PR to provide rainbow reads in his formatting somehow, while hardly anyone else is asked such a thing was complete bullcrap. Thats why instead you got rainbow trolling.
The only reason jjh was on my case was because he thought my quotes had ran out. If you just wouldve asked if my pr would last past day1 as a followup, all that nonsense wouldve been prevented. Regardless, I got run up. It is what it is. I claimed IC as an easy way out to at least be able to defend myself today. I judged that if I suddenly started talking normally I definately wouldve been the lynch.
Needless to say I do not have a literal IC role. Its similair'ish but nowhere near as definitive.
My role has three parts:
-I can visit someone at night and harass them. It will be revealed to them that I am beavis, village idiot.
-If anyone visits my house at night, they will hear the music that I am listening too (can choose a song each night).
-If I survive day1 while fullfilling my posting restriction, one of those abilities gets upgraded. Im not revealing what it is, and if any town finds out, please keep it quiet - unless I ask you otherwise.
In post 3417, jjh927 wrote:Tinfoil mechanics theory, however, says that NicoRobin's ability failed on Porkens but Porkens reflected it back and rolecopped NicoRobin, and if I am correct and Porkens received a full role PM I would like him to claim this
Said by someone who doesn't believe my results on mastina are real.
I think you're a rolecop just not a town one
Okay, I'll pretend you are town for a second.
So, if mastina is scum, you'll let her endgame you because she can provide clears?
No I'll lynch her if she either succeeds in gladiating you or refuses to try
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
In post 3417, jjh927 wrote:Tinfoil mechanics theory, however, says that NicoRobin's ability failed on Porkens but Porkens reflected it back and rolecopped NicoRobin, and if I am correct and Porkens received a full role PM I would like him to claim this
Said by someone who doesn't believe my results on mastina are real.
I think you're a rolecop just not a town one
Okay, I'll pretend you are town for a second.
So, if mastina is scum, you'll let her endgame you because she can provide clears?
No I'll lynch her if she either succeeds in gladiating you or refuses to try
I softed mine, but that doesn't really matter to the question. I'm going to evaluate all of those to see if my claiming something here is positive or negative utility.
My plan is specifically that if we decide we're going to lynch her, we have her gladiate not you first because then if we're wrong and we're lynching town, we can get an additional clear. And then we lynch her, as we had previously decided.
Since the only meaningful difference that your strat provides is that if Mastina is town, we don't lynch scum right away and instead get a conftown while saving scum the trouble of killing Mastina (which they would definitely have to do), WHY is it +EV?
We're comparing
Mislynch mastina, get a conftown, NK, scum lynch
or
Mislynch mastina, get a guilty, NK, scum lynch
to
scum lynch, Mastina gets NKed, ???
In the first condition of your strat, scum will target a conftown or obvtown anyway, meaning we net 0 conftowns.
And in the second condition where we get a guilty, it's on someone we would have agreed was the scummiest person. So, in other words, they're the most likely to get lynched anyway.
Your proposed strategy is A. Shit and B. Pro-scum if NicoRobin is scum
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
Regardless of Mastina's alignment, there are 2 conftowns that scum have to deal with at some point. Then there's me and Creature blatantly playing our town metas.
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
Since the only meaningful difference that your strat provides is that if Mastina is town, we don't lynch scum right away and instead get a conftown while saving scum the trouble of killing Mastina (which they would definitely have to do), WHY is it +EV?
We're comparing
Mislynch mastina, get a conftown, NK, scum lynch
or
Mislynch mastina, get a guilty, NK, scum lynch
to
scum lynch, Mastina gets NKed, ???
In the first condition of your strat, scum will target a conftown or obvtown anyway, meaning we net 0 conftowns.
And in the second condition where we get a guilty, it's on someone we would have agreed was the scummiest person. So, in other words, they're the most likely to get lynched anyway.
Your proposed strategy is A. Shit and B. Pro-scum if NicoRobin is scum
In post 3384, jjh927 wrote:She'll have got the whole role PM because that's how well designed rolecops in theme games work
This is the variant, not the normal version of the role.
If NR had committed to the variant then your plan would have been better. If she would have committed to the normal version of the role without it being made into a big deal before hand, we would have had slight evidence that she was the normal version of the role. As it is, your answering for her tainted my line of questioning. Thanks. The inconsistency in which role she has from her is in face scummy, though, so I'll give you that.
Okay, next post is strategy optimazation posted from a computer and thus formatting should be easier.
Since the only meaningful difference that your strat provides is that if Mastina is town, we don't lynch scum right away and instead get a conftown while saving scum the trouble of killing Mastina (which they would definitely have to do), WHY is it +EV?
We're comparing
Mislynch mastina, get a conftown, NK, scum lynch
or
Mislynch mastina, get a guilty, NK, scum lynch
to
scum lynch, Mastina gets NKed, ???
In the first condition of your strat, scum will target a conftown or obvtown anyway, meaning we net 0 conftowns.
And in the second condition where we get a guilty, it's on someone we would have agreed was the scummiest person. So, in other words, they're the most likely to get lynched anyway.
Your proposed strategy is A. Shit and B. Pro-scum if NicoRobin is scum
Why do all of these say 'mislynch' mastina?
Where are the scenarios where she is scum?!
Adults are talking
If you could follow the conversation you would understand that I am talking about the differences between our strategies, and the scenarios where Mastina is scum are identical in our strategies
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
In post 3384, jjh927 wrote:She'll have got the whole role PM because that's how well designed rolecops in theme games work
This is the variant, not the normal version of the role.
If NR had committed to the variant then your plan would have been better. If she would have committed to the normal version of the role without it being made into a big deal before hand, we would have had slight evidence that she was the normal version of the role. As it is, your answering for her tainted my line of questioning. Thanks. The inconsistency in which role she has from her is in face scummy, though, so I'll give you that.
Okay, next post is strategy optimazation posted from a computer and thus formatting should be easier.
This isn't a normal game.
Well designed rolecops in theme games get the full role PM because otherwise you have to ask "What does X mean"
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
Okay, so this is going to be the full chain of events. I'm assuming, for the record, that NR is the normal version of rolecop because she already has a variant role and RC is part of the NRG. Not necessarily a safe assumption, but a reasonable one.
We, as a town, use FoS to decide which of NR and mastina is scummier.
If we decide we are going to lynch NR, mastina uses her gladiate on NR. If she refuses to make the bolded post she has previously, then she is scum and thus we turbo lynch her.
If she posts the bolded post she has previously and nothing happens, we lynch NR. If NR flips town, we know the guilty on mastina is real, and mastina faked a guilty on NR. We give her a chance to gladiate someone the next day in case shenanigans and she gets lynched, whether or not she chooses to do so. If NR flips scum, mastina is town. This is all common between both plans.
If we decide we are going to lynch mastina, mastina uses her gladiate on someone who is not NR. Preferably someone whose presence as a conftown is very powerful for the town. We then proceed to lynch mastina. If mastina is disloyal scum, we have an additional clear. If mastina is loyal town, we would have lynched her anyway but we get an additional clear/guilty. If mastina is not disloyal scum, we get a guilty on NR.
Note, the decision on whether mastina gladiates NR or Not NR comes after we, as a town, have chosen which of the two is scummier. A topic which I have yet to weigh in on today.
Additionally, if, like jj, you think it's impossible mastina is faking the trigger to her gladiate, then you can just vote that you think NR is scummier, because in that situation you believe that mastina will be caught anyway.
My plan is literally an insurance policy that gives us an additional clear if we decide to lynch mastina and she IS town. Further, it makes people take a stance on which one they'd like to see flip, before the gladiate, which means we have an untainted wagon to analyze.
And I'm suggesting we use FoS instead of voting to prevent the possibility of quick hammers entirely.
