A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[northsidegal]

this is so sad can we gladiate nico and not nsg

do you individually believe that nicorobin is scum, and that's why you want her gladiated?

Btw, up for hydraing in MU's hydra event? I can be the active head if you want.

eh, MU. not sure if i'm up for it. maaaaybe.

[Invisibility]

uhuh

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw, up for hydraing in MU's hydra event? I can be the active head if you want.

I’m trying to get an actual homesite person but don’t know if anyone will bite

[Creature]

My best bet is either MS or MU.

[Creature]

or get through the painful process of adapting to an entirely new forums about something entirely new where probably nobody knows you and anything you say may sound shitty.

[Jingle]

notionally willing to play sub-optimally just in case she did

"willing to play sub optimally" here means "willing to play around legitimate scum strategies."

But why does mastina!scum play ball?

The insurance policy was in case we were lynching mastina.

Like, sequence of events: mastina is chosen as lynch target. We give mastina a chance to Gladiate someone to confirm said person. Mastina either refuses (Lynch with extreme prejudice) or doesn't refuse and we get additional information. And scummastina might choose to give us the additional information to try to convince town to spare her, but more than likely would see the futility of the act and just refuse and get lynched.

Which is why it's insurance. We don't get shit if we drive correctly and get from point a to point b safely. But if some asshole hits us and we kill the wrong player, at least we get SOMETHING back as a consolation prize. (Something in this case being a conftown.

[Creature]

Wait a moment

Updating user...

yeh, the update is gonna have to wait

[jjh927]

It's the "Mastina is chosen as lynch target" step that is bad, because it's choosing to lynch her before she gladiates.

We're still in hypotheticals till NR gets the rolecop result though

[Gamma Emerald]

or get through the painful process of adapting to an entirely new forums about something entirely new where probably nobody knows you and anything you say may sound shitty.

My best bet is either MS or MU.

But neither is my true homesite wat

[Gamma Emerald]

notionally willing to play sub-optimally just in case she did

"willing to play sub optimally" here means "willing to play around legitimate scum strategies."

But why does mastina!scum play ball?

The insurance policy was in case we were lynching mastina.

Like, sequence of events: mastina is chosen as lynch target. We give mastina a chance to Gladiate someone to confirm said person. Mastina either refuses (Lynch with extreme prejudice) or doesn't refuse and we get additional information. And scummastina might choose to give us the additional information to try to convince town to spare her, but more than likely would see the futility of the act and just refuse and get lynched.

Which is why it's insurance. We don't get shit if we drive correctly and get from point a to point b safely. But if some asshole hits us and we kill the wrong player, at least we get SOMETHING back as a consolation prize. (Something in this case being a conftown.

So your argument is WIFOM. Not good but it’s not at the point you need to die for it.

[northsidegal]

So your argument is WIFOM. Not good but it’s not at the point you need to die for it.

can you point to specifically to what was "WIFOM" in the post you quoted?

[northsidegal]

uhuh

what changed your mind from the start of the day?

[Jingle]

Your plan only has any merit if you're paranoid about Mastina having faked the gladiate trigger

Yes. And I am.

And it only really differs from yours if enough other people are paranoid to be able to lynch mastina if the gladiate fails anyway.

Plus, you know, accountable wagon, but that's apparently not important.

Also note, not voting mastina, nor have I mentioned whether I would or not.

Okay, so this is going to be the full chain of events. I'm assuming, for the record, that NR is the normal version of rolecop because she already has a variant role and RC is part of the NRG. Not necessarily a safe assumption, but a reasonable one.



We, as a town, use FoS to decide which of NR and mastina is scummier.

If we decide we are going to lynch NR, mastina uses her gladiate on NR. If she refuses to make the bolded post she has previously, then she is scum and thus we turbo lynch her.
If she posts the bolded post she has previously and nothing happens, we lynch NR. If NR flips town, we know the guilty on mastina is real, and mastina faked a guilty on NR. We give her a chance to gladiate someone the next day in case shenanigans and she gets lynched, whether or not she chooses to do so. If NR flips scum, mastina is town. This is all common between both plans.

If we decide we are going to lynch mastina, mastina uses her gladiate on someone who is not NR. Preferably someone whose presence as a conftown is very powerful for the town. We then proceed to lynch mastina. If mastina is disloyal scum, we have an additional clear. If mastina is loyal town, we would have lynched her anyway but we get an additional clear/guilty. If mastina is not disloyal scum, we get a guilty on NR.

Note, the decision on whether mastina gladiates NR or Not NR comes after we, as a town, have chosen which of the two is scummier. A topic which I have yet to weigh in on today.

Additionally, if, like jj, you think it's impossible mastina is faking the trigger to her gladiate, then you can just vote that you think NR is scummier, because in that situation you believe that mastina will be caught anyway.

My plan is literally an insurance policy that gives us an additional clear if we decide to lynch mastina and she IS town. Further, it makes people take a stance on which one they'd like to see flip, before the gladiate, which means we have an untainted wagon to analyze.

And I'm suggesting we use FoS instead of voting to prevent the possibility of quick hammers entirely.

Not Wifom, hedging bets.

[northsidegal]

thoughts on varsoon being scum, creature?

[Gamma Emerald]

So your argument is WIFOM. Not good but it’s not at the point you need to die for it.

can you point to specifically to what was "WIFOM" in the post you quoted?

The part where scum!mastina might play along for towncred
Jingle isn’t WIFOMing directly but his argument hinges on the chance of WIFOM

[northsidegal]

aristophanes also not seeming like a bad choice for scum

[northsidegal]

The part where scum!mastina might play along for towncred
Jingle isn’t WIFOMing directly but his argument hinges on the chance of WIFOM

no it doesn't? (as far as i understand)

it's just thinking about two different possibilites: that where mastina gladiates someone and that where she doesn't. jingle's suggested course of action (aka the outcome) is the same either way, to lynch mastina, as far as i understand. what's "wifom" about it? what do you even think wifom is?

[northsidegal]

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Lady Angel]

She will get proven as scum anyway if she refuses to gladiate me.

The hell kind of response to Mastina calling your guilty faked is this

Please corroborate if you did indeed lie and then you get to explain why

Yes, I lied.

It was for reaction test which both you and Jingle failed. You kept parroting how she was town and never considered the possibility that she could be scum, not even once. Any rational town would at least consider that possibility too.

Forgive me, but I happen to think this is bullshit.

Why would you, in any scenario, lie about your role for most of day 2 just to claim something under 24 hours to night in a spectacularly poor way, to fake a guilty and then act like you were going to get lynched before you outed the fact that it was faked? You freaked out with maybe one person voting you at absolute maximum after you declared a guilty, even crying about how you were the one that was going to get lynched today despite the fact that Mastina had something like five votes on her and would've been turboed by you with one or two more. And then after Mastina damns your claim, you try to pass it off as this before trying to pick up the same thread you had yesterday on

the next page?

Yes, you could get proof that she is scum, but 1) Mastina can always refuse seemingly and therefore you don't have any way to actually get that information and 2) you lost almost all your credibility after faking a guilty in the worst way possible.

I can't tell if this scum or just really poor play, but either way it's stupid, and that's not even before factoring in the fact that your plan seems to involve the entire scumteam would try to lynch a cop whose results will realistically fail basically every night when they could just nightkill them instead?

VOTE: NicoRobin

I can't decide if this is the worst fake guilty ever or legitimate scum but the fact that you flew off the handle during the period when you declared the guilty and said it was faked makes me lean scum.

[northsidegal]

huh, i think that's a pretty towny post.

[Jingle]

The part where scum!mastina might play along for towncred

You are technically correct (That's the best kind!), but it's also not a hingepoint of my argument. That's WIFOM directed at a hypothetical scum mastina designed to bait her into playing suboptimally. It's also pretty much the least important part of the plan because I doubt anyone thinks mastina would be dumb enough to fall for that obvious of a trap.

The hingepoint of my plan is that I'm considering the case where a hypothetical scummastina's gladiate isn't intrinsically tied to the bold statements in the thread and jj isn't. And I even have a caveat IN MY PLAN to account for the fact that his is superior if you disregard that paranoia. And yet we're STILL talking about this, all of which is tied to a hypothetical minute difference of EV in two plans that might not even be in play at all because the guilty they were responding to was retracted.

[Varsoon]

It's really hard for me to get into this game.
Reading the back and forth on mechanics spec is exhausting.

[Chickadee]

I have 14 some odd pages to catch up on. What's the vote count on Mastina?

[Invisibility]

dont vote mastina

[jjh927]

I have 14 some odd pages to catch up on. What's the vote count on Mastina?

Summary:

NR faked the guilty and will get actual results in 48 hours (or possibly less- not sure if the way it was described means that NR will get it whenever RC gets around to it instead).
Bla bla bla me and Jingle talk mechanics
Now wait around till NR gets the actual result back and then either claims a guilty or corroborates Mastina being loyal

Feel free to give reads on NicoRobin, Mastina, or anyone else in the game. Nobody's going anywhere