A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Varsoon]

This is a personal hell of mine
Why are we letting this game be held hostage by two players?

[Jingle]

She will get proven as scum anyway if she refuses to gladiate me.

The hell kind of response to Mastina calling your guilty faked is this

Please corroborate if you did indeed lie and then you get to explain why

Yes, I lied.

It was for reaction test which both you and Jingle failed. You kept parroting how she was town and never considered the possibility that she could be scum, not even once. Any rational town would at least consider that possibility too.

Forgive me, but I happen to think this is bullshit.

Why would you, in any scenario, lie about your role for most of day 2 just to claim something under 24 hours to night in a spectacularly poor way, to fake a guilty and then act like you were going to get lynched before you outed the fact that it was faked? You freaked out with maybe one person voting you at absolute maximum after you declared a guilty, even crying about how you were the one that was going to get lynched today despite the fact that Mastina had something like five votes on her and would've been turboed by you with one or two more. And then after Mastina damns your claim, you try to pass it off as this before trying to pick up the same thread you had yesterday on

the next page?

Yes, you could get proof that she is scum, but 1) Mastina can always refuse seemingly and therefore you don't have any way to actually get that information and 2) you lost almost all your credibility after faking a guilty in the worst way possible.

I can't tell if this scum or just really poor play, but either way it's stupid, and that's not even before factoring in the fact that your plan seems to involve the entire scumteam would try to lynch a cop whose results will realistically fail basically every night when they could just nightkill them instead?

VOTE: NicoRobin

I can't decide if this is the worst fake guilty ever or legitimate scum but the fact that you flew off the handle during the period when you declared the guilty and said it was faked makes me lean scum.

Congratulations, you just summed up like 30 posts by jj in a concise, clear, and easy to read manner, invalidating almost 5 pages of back and forth.

Allow me to retort. I think most of it's probably NAI because my limited experience with NR tells me that she is prone to overreacting when she decides town is dismissing her, and a lot of the back and forth reads the same as a town game of hers that I linked a few pages back. Furthermore, with the possibility of a hard reset and additional content being imminently forthcoming, I'd appreciate not alienating the person who may just be town feeling persecuted and reacting as such and give NR the room to back off and give us more content to analyze from her.

I'm not saying NR can't be scum. I'm saying let's table that whole conversation for two IRL days so that she can get an actual result on mastina and go from there.

[Jingle]

I have 14 some odd pages to catch up on. What's the vote count on Mastina?

L-3 at worst, but the guilty has been retracted so you shouldn't be voting there before NR gets an actual result anyway.

She might be mechanically cleared.

[jjh927]

This is a personal hell of mine
Why are we letting this game be held hostage by two players?

It's really just NR tbh, and it's not a thing any more because the guilty isn't there


I think we should be discussing what happens if she corroborates Mastina's roleclaim

[Jingle]

So Nico is lying, and Porkens can back me up here.

I was told, "Nico is demanding your role; you have 48 hours to comply, or she becomes a triple voter for you."

She CAN'T have a result yet. I've allowed it, so she will get one, but she doesn't have one RIGHT NOW.

I'm not voting her though, because I am 100% positive she's just town fakeclaiming. This is PRECISELY the kind of stunt she'd pull.

Also, pizza is delicious.

bullshit as well.

porkens, nico, mastina scum?

I think we should be discussing how laughable it is that anyone is townreading this.

[Chickadee]

wtf even is this game anymore.

Thanks for the recap though.

[jjh927]

Nico to my question you prematurely answered for her.
Mastina in general.
And the percentage of claimed/semi claimed players.

All of these are important.

Dunno what the question was but it sounds like it was probably answered

Waiting for Mastina in general is cool but shouldn't cause you any issues wrt strategy optimisation


1)

Spoiler: The MEME Men

I'm a double voter town with one shot investigation ability of some sort who will win gladiates if a gladiator targets us. I just had a crisis in life and had to flake and whenever I was online on ms this thread was locked.

I will need till night to catch up and read stuff about this game and to try to communicate with my hydra partner. If I can't get that to work I will replace out

~Sora

2) Northsidegal
3)

Spoiler: Firebringer

wait my role gives guns not allows me to shoot...

u troll rc.

I will give a gun to whoever promises to shoot gamma if he isn't lynched.

4)

Spoiler: Nicorobin

p-edit: Rolecop and triplevoter.

5)

Spoiler: Mastina

I was expecting a troll role when I submitted my picks, and hoh boy did RC not disappoint.

I am Ginngie, Hated Loyal Gladiator

.
Outside of lylo/mylo (which is purely by the numbers, per the role wording), I take one less vote to lynch.
I can gladiate anyone by claiming a guilty on them, but if they're not town-aligned, it'll fail.

I can maybe, MAYBE use this as a conditional cop, IF we can no-lynch after a gladiate (I need to ask RC about this), but if not, yeahhhhh...

6) Gamma Emerald
7)

Spoiler: Chickadee

I'm a video vendor. I can vend any time.

8) Skygazer
9)

Spoiler: Varsoon

Jury's still out on how my role would interact with other vote-related powers but yeah
Everyone gets to cast a vote via PM and it's not revealed who voted who.

10)

Spoiler: KuroiXHF

I'll die, but I'll come back. And I won't flip.

BTW, I can post at night. I am alive, but not the same as everyone else.

11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14)

Spoiler: Vecna

Alright here goes. Im sort of waiting for someone to pop their head in, but explaining stuff wont hurt (or maybe it will, but itll all be alright). Also on mobile and not at home so this may go in pieces.

JJH was on the right track, but he was asking completely the wrong questions.

My post restriction day1 was optional. The original restriction was that I could only state I am cornholio and that i need tp for my bunghole. I was cheeky and asked RC if I could also use the other cornholio quotes to make it less bland. he hesitantly agreed. I could not vote day1 without ruining the restriction. The reason I did not want to continue too much with the answering questions was that I felt it was not in line with the spirit of the role design, and RC had already given me more leeway in what I could do. I felt if I continued it might result in me failing the clause and it being for nothing. Besides that, asking someone with a PR to provide rainbow reads in his formatting somehow, while hardly anyone else is asked such a thing was complete bullcrap. Thats why instead you got rainbow trolling.

The only reason jjh was on my case was because he thought my quotes had ran out. If you just wouldve asked if my pr would last past day1 as a followup, all that nonsense wouldve been prevented. Regardless, I got run up. It is what it is. I claimed IC as an easy way out to at least be able to defend myself today. I judged that if I suddenly started talking normally I definately wouldve been the lynch.

Needless to say I do not have a literal IC role. Its similair'ish but nowhere near as definitive.

My role has three parts:
-I can visit someone at night and harass them. It will be revealed to them that I am beavis, village idiot.
-If anyone visits my house at night, they will hear the music that I am listening too (can choose a song each night).
-If I survive day1 while fullfilling my posting restriction, one of those abilities gets upgraded. Im not revealing what it is, and if any town finds out, please keep it quiet - unless I ask you otherwise.

More later

15) Lady Angel
18) Jingle
19) Nero Cain
20) Creature
21)

Spoiler: jjh927

Yo I'm deathproof and I can freeze people's votes in place

22) Aristophanes



Did I miss anyone

This might be helpful too

[Jingle]

wtf even is this game anymore.

Insufficient town cohesion driven by apathy, egregious replacement rates, OP roles, mechanics walls and a lack of flips.

[Jingle]

Removing non claim info and updating:

Jingle got targeted by a loud doc N2.

1)

Spoiler: The MEME Men

I'm a double voter town with one shot investigation ability of some sort who will win gladiates if a gladiator targets us. I just had a crisis in life and had to flake and whenever I was online on ms this thread was locked.

I will need till night to catch up and read stuff about this game and to try to communicate with my hydra partner. If I can't get that to work I will replace out

~Sora

2) Northsidegal
3)

Spoiler: Firebringer

wait my role gives guns not allows me to shoot...

u troll rc.

I will give a gun to whoever promises to shoot gamma if he isn't lynched.

4)

Spoiler: Nicorobin

p-edit: Rolecop and triplevoter.

5)

Spoiler: Mastina

I was expecting a troll role when I submitted my picks, and hoh boy did RC not disappoint.

I am Ginngie, Hated Loyal Gladiator

.
Outside of lylo/mylo (which is purely by the numbers, per the role wording), I take one less vote to lynch.
I can gladiate anyone by claiming a guilty on them, but if they're not town-aligned, it'll fail.

I can maybe, MAYBE use this as a conditional cop, IF we can no-lynch after a gladiate (I need to ask RC about this), but if not, yeahhhhh...

6) Gamma Emerald
7)

Spoiler: Chickadee

I'm a video vendor. I can vend any time.

8) Skygazer
9)

Spoiler: Varsoon

Jury's still out on how my role would interact with other vote-related powers but yeah
Everyone gets to cast a vote via PM and it's not revealed who voted who.

10)

Spoiler: KuroiXHF

I'll die, but I'll come back. And I won't flip.

BTW, I can post at night. I am alive, but not the same as everyone else.

11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14)

Spoiler: Vecna

Alright here goes. Im sort of waiting for someone to pop their head in, but explaining stuff wont hurt (or maybe it will, but itll all be alright). Also on mobile and not at home so this may go in pieces.

JJH was on the right track, but he was asking completely the wrong questions.

My post restriction day1 was optional. The original restriction was that I could only state I am cornholio and that i need tp for my bunghole. I was cheeky and asked RC if I could also use the other cornholio quotes to make it less bland. he hesitantly agreed. I could not vote day1 without ruining the restriction. The reason I did not want to continue too much with the answering questions was that I felt it was not in line with the spirit of the role design, and RC had already given me more leeway in what I could do. I felt if I continued it might result in me failing the clause and it being for nothing. Besides that, asking someone with a PR to provide rainbow reads in his formatting somehow, while hardly anyone else is asked such a thing was complete bullcrap. Thats why instead you got rainbow trolling.

The only reason jjh was on my case was because he thought my quotes had ran out. If you just wouldve asked if my pr would last past day1 as a followup, all that nonsense wouldve been prevented. Regardless, I got run up. It is what it is. I claimed IC as an easy way out to at least be able to defend myself today. I judged that if I suddenly started talking normally I definately wouldve been the lynch.

Needless to say I do not have a literal IC role. Its similair'ish but nowhere near as definitive.

My role has three parts:
-I can visit someone at night and harass them. It will be revealed to them that I am beavis, village idiot.
-If anyone visits my house at night, they will hear the music that I am listening too (can choose a song each night).
-If I survive day1 while fullfilling my posting restriction, one of those abilities gets upgraded. Im not revealing what it is, and if any town finds out, please keep it quiet - unless I ask you otherwise.

More later

15) Lady Angel
18) Jingle
19) Nero Cain
20) Creature
21)

Spoiler: jjh927

Yo I'm deathproof and I can freeze people's votes in place

22) Aristophanes

[THE MEME MEN]

Our investigative ability only works if our pinball machine is repaired (we have not received an indication that it has been repaired)

-rh

[Lady Angel]

She will get proven as scum anyway if she refuses to gladiate me.

The hell kind of response to Mastina calling your guilty faked is this

Please corroborate if you did indeed lie and then you get to explain why

Yes, I lied.

It was for reaction test which both you and Jingle failed. You kept parroting how she was town and never considered the possibility that she could be scum, not even once. Any rational town would at least consider that possibility too.

Forgive me, but I happen to think this is bullshit.

Why would you, in any scenario, lie about your role for most of day 2 just to claim something under 24 hours to night in a spectacularly poor way, to fake a guilty and then act like you were going to get lynched before you outed the fact that it was faked? You freaked out with maybe one person voting you at absolute maximum after you declared a guilty, even crying about how you were the one that was going to get lynched today despite the fact that Mastina had something like five votes on her and would've been turboed by you with one or two more. And then after Mastina damns your claim, you try to pass it off as this before trying to pick up the same thread you had yesterday on

the next page?

Yes, you could get proof that she is scum, but 1) Mastina can always refuse seemingly and therefore you don't have any way to actually get that information and 2) you lost almost all your credibility after faking a guilty in the worst way possible.

I can't tell if this scum or just really poor play, but either way it's stupid, and that's not even before factoring in the fact that your plan seems to involve the entire scumteam would try to lynch a cop whose results will realistically fail basically every night when they could just nightkill them instead?

VOTE: NicoRobin

I can't decide if this is the worst fake guilty ever or legitimate scum but the fact that you flew off the handle during the period when you declared the guilty and said it was faked makes me lean scum.

Congratulations, you just summed up like 30 posts by jj in a concise, clear, and easy to read manner, invalidating almost 5 pages of back and forth.

Allow me to retort. I think most of it's probably NAI because my limited experience with NR tells me that she is prone to overreacting when she decides town is dismissing her, and a lot of the back and forth reads the same as a town game of hers that I linked a few pages back. Furthermore, with the possibility of a hard reset and additional content being imminently forthcoming, I'd appreciate not alienating the person who may just be town feeling persecuted and reacting as such and give NR the room to back off and give us more content to analyze from her.

I'm not saying NR can't be scum. I'm saying let's table that whole conversation for two IRL days so that she can get an actual result on mastina and go from there.

This is fair. Admittedly, the only time I've played with Nico she replaced out early day 1 after getting frustrated over being scumread for her apparent town trait (go figure, that slot flipped scum), so my reaction was pretty exclusively contained to this game, but I'll take your word for it for now. I did perhaps come on a bit too strong as well.

Should we start planning out what to do for each result Nico could come back with?

[Jingle]

NOBODY ELSE CLAIM SHIT


WE HAVE A GODDAMN LOUD DOCTOR


UNLESS YOU HAVE A GUILTY, HIDING THE FUCKING DOCTOR IS THE BEST USE OF ANY UNCLAIMED ROLE.

[Nero Cain]

vote:NSG

[Lady Angel]

@somebody voting mastina: Unvote so Nico can't turbo her if Mastina gives her a triplevote.

[jjh927]

Should we start planning out what to do for each result Nico could come back with?

If NicoRobin has a guilty, me and Jingle will probably come to some kind of agreement with regards to the best mechanical way of resolving it depending on the specifics and all you have to do is follow that best mechanical way


If NicoRobin does not have a guilty, we get to discuss who we want to lynch. Personally, I would push for a NicoRobin lynch in that situation

[jjh927]

@somebody voting mastina: Unvote so Nico can't turbo her if Mastina gives her a triplevote.

Mastina has said she's not giving her the triplevote, and also if she did it would be a scumclaim anyway

[Jingle]

@somebody voting mastina: Unvote so Nico can't turbo her if Mastina gives her a triplevote.

If Nico gets a triple vote mastina is lying and thus scum. With that said, unvoting the slot that might have a pending inno result is usually a good policy, yeah.

[Nero Cain]

If NicoRobin has a guilty, me and Jingle will probably come to some kind of agreement with regards to the best mechanical way of resolving it depending on the specifics and all you have to do is follow that best mechanical way

If nicorobin has a guilty then you lynch Mastina period. There's not a need to discuss that

[jjh927]

If NicoRobin has a guilty, me and Jingle will probably come to some kind of agreement with regards to the best mechanical way of resolving it depending on the specifics and all you have to do is follow that best mechanical way

If nicorobin has a guilty then you lynch Mastina period. There's not a need to discuss that

Go back to the hole you crawled out of

[Nero Cain]

no, you keep saying fucking dumb shit.

[jjh927]

If NicoRobin has a rolecop guilty, then depending on the specifics of it Mastina attempting a gladiate can resolve it, guaranteeing that we lynch scum regardless of whether or not the guilty is fake


Pay attention to the game

[Jingle]

We're not having this argument for another 10 pages.

Nero, you're objectively wrong. You don't turn off brain and sheep all guilty claims.

jj, stop feeding the thread clog.

[KuroiXHF]

(stop voting Mastina)

Yo NicoRobin, is Mastina faking the trigger condition for her gladiate ability

No, she was just lying about being loyal.

Then again, why even ask? You will scumread me no matter what, because that's the only way you can save mastina, and you will ignore any and all posts which don't fit into your narrative.

Get ready to burn when I flip town.

kthxbai

So that means I'm no longer clear, if we prove she's not. However, the only real way is to lynch her. The thing is we'd lose more than we'd gain if we just lynch her.

im still catching up. do not speedlynch mastina.

^

I was framed, but then you would know all about that, won't you, jjh?

After all, the three of you worked together to frame me?

Did mastina tell you to scumread me while she buddies me at the same time?

Because that kind of approach is kinda getting old by now.

I feel most people who say they are framed are, in fact, not framed.

(not the gay way)

And this is where I stop for right now.

[Skygazer]

yeah i dont think theres any reason for NR to take the risk of faking a guilty there as scum

like, mastina can confirm its a reaction test

the way NR was acting made me think it wasnt a legitimate guilty but the reaction test kind of explains that all nyways

[Skygazer]

hi im tired