schadd_ 10-p predesign

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Note: final setup is this, but with the mafia goon replaced with a mafia multitasking odd-night rolecop.

Delightfully Devilish, Seymour - 10p

4 VT
town informed gunsmith ("all non-town roles will investigate as having a gun")
town 2-shot bodyguard
town 1-shot vigilante
town night 8 vigilante
vs.
mafia informed goon ("there exists a 1-shot vigilante and a town night 8 vigilante")
mafia goon

notes:

• obvious conceit in that gunsmith is the big town informative but it has 1.5 false positives (likening it to a neapolitan) (one false positive is immediately confirmable town) and scum are specifically given help in fakeclaiming
  
• gunsmith knows there isn't an sk, good riddance
  
• oh right i somehow forgot that sk is abnormal now. even better riddance
  
• earlier revisions of this setup: n2 rolecop instead of 2-shot bodyguard (too inconsistent imo)
  
• big issue with this being that it rewards certain goofy behaviors. night 8 vigilante may or may not be obviously a miller and as such should maybe claim d1; might be a bad idea because it is essentially a VT claim but a normal-savvy person would claim "my role contains night 8 vigilante." as such it would be rewarding people for knowing about the weird recentnormal role stuff which is goofy. also relies on scum to come up with a role that makes sense from a setup design standpoint (ideally they claim or effectively breadcrumb night 7 or night 9 vigilante i think) which is goofy but in some way the norm.
  
• this can be reworked to be less centered around the gunsmith interaction if that's Too Goofy.

[schadd_]

wild innit

[mastina]

I'm a little concerned that this is townsided, actually. With the Vig, game is essentially a 9p with a Cop, D2 IC, Bodyguard, and Miller, against a scumteam that has no real power.

I'd turn the Goon into a Vanilla Cop: something to help them PR hunt, but not giving them a huge advantage. Though, that may be OP as it's essentially a Mafia Miller.

Perhaps Mafia Motion Detector. SOMETHING which gives them a way of having the power to find the cop. They need a counter to the follow the cop present. So, Vanilla Cop, or if the mafia miller nature of that is OP, Motion Detector, would be my suggestion.

[mastina]

And the reason there's follow the cop: the Bodyguard may only be 2x, but in a 9p, lylo comes on D3. With an IC from the Vig, and a full Cop (since the cop knows all innocents are reliable), that's 3 conftown on D2, of a Micro game, a full third of the players total, and nearly half the living.

[mastina]

Actually, yeah. Voicing that out: Mafia need the Vanilla Cop, as both an investigative and sadeclaim.

[schadd_]

i'd be interested in 1-shot or 2-shot rolecop

[schadd_]

2-shot probably better

[schadd_]

meh the difference between full and 2-shot isn't very big

multitasking odd-night rolecop?

[schadd_]

i'm interested as to whether you would expect night 8 vig to claim d1

[schadd_]

i would have this game daytalk enabled by default (might be up to the mod i guess?) and also i don't suppose i can impose my cop/psychologist/ninja/traitor restriction but it will kind of be implicit if it's public that i designed the setup which might be an issue

[mastina]

meh the difference between full and 2-shot isn't very big

multitasking odd-night rolecop?

That works!

[implosion]

this is gonna be the next mini in signups apparently so rev your engines or whatever it is that you want to rev

[schadd_]

i don't suppose i can impose my cop/psychologist/ninja/traitor restriction but it will kind of be implicit if it's public that i designed the setup which might be an issue

wanna just say the setup was designed by mastina until endgame?

[schadd_]

hurm that has the issue with nrg people knowing it

[mastina]

this is gonna be the next mini in signups apparently so rev your engines or whatever it is that you want to rev

I can approve it with the goon replaced with the multitasking odd night role cop. With that, it's reasonably within the target range. (Tho when the game is finished, I'll probably need to unpack my process for why.)

[implosion]

This is going into signups, could use role PMs from anyone w/ access here.

[schadd_]

yeah sec

[schadd_]

Welcome to Mini 200! You are a

Vanilla Townie!

You have no abilities to use during night phases but you may talk and vote during the day.

You win when all members of the mafia are eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Confirm by replying with the contents of the green text.

Welcome to Mini 200! You are a

Town Informed Gunsmith

Each night, you may investigate a player to learn whether their role has a gun in its flavor. You are also informed that all members of the mafia
have a gun in their flavor.

You win when all members of the mafia are eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Confirm by replying with the contents of the green text.

Welcome to Mini 200! You are a

Town 2-Shot Bodyguard!

Two times, at night, you may protect a player to die in their place if they are hit with a killing action.

You win when all members of the mafia are eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Confirm by replying with the contents of the green text.

Welcome to Mini 200! You are a

Town 1-Shot Vigilante!

Once, at night, you may choose to kill a target player.

You win when all members of the mafia are eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Confirm by replying with the contents of the green text.

Welcome to Mini 200! You are a

Town Night 8 Vigilante!

On the 8th night of the game, you may choose to kill a target player.

You win when all members of the mafia are eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Confirm by replying with the contents of the green text.

Welcome to Mini 200! You are a

Mafia Informed Goon!

You may talk to your partner in this thread at any time, and you may talk and vote during day phases. You are informed that, among the town, there exists a One-Shot Vigilante and a Night 8 Vigilante.

You win when your faction controls half the vote during a day phase, when all townies are dead, or when nothing can prevent one of these scenarios from happening.

Confirm by replying with the contents of the red text.

Welcome to Mini 200! You are a

Mafia Multitasking Odd-Night Rolecop!

Each night, you may investigate a player to learn their power role, if they have one. Vanilla Townies and Mafia Goons will both return "Vanilla". Using this Rolecop ability does not preclude you from performing other actions, such as the nightkill.

You may talk with your partner in this thread at any time, and you may talk and vote during day phases.

You win when your faction controls half the vote during a day phase, when all townies are dead, or when nothing can prevent one of these scenarios from happening.

Confirm by replying with the contents of the red text.

[schadd_]

note these imply daytalk

[schadd_]

Town Informed Gunsmith
...
Gunsmith is informed that the Mafia do not have any doctors.

omg same idea!!!