Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

[skitter30]

It sucks to get caught, so I understand why you'd be angry/annoyed.

honestly your'e making me want to swear at you
but that's not a thing i do so i guess i won't do that

you're calling me scum because you have an entirely wrong understanding of my scumplay and how i handle like anything as scum. you're not entertaining the possibilyt that you may be wrong. you havne't actually checked if how the play of theoretical scum!skitter matches with the play of actual scum!skitter (or your'e blatantly ignoring it in order to fit your narrative, idk)

(like i don't expect every random person to metadive me but you play rather much meta-based)

it's pissing me off a lot because you're acting like you know this for a fact and that it's entirely wrong

i really, really don't give a fuck about my scumplay. like yeah i want to win i guess and i go through the motions but the effort/care isn't there when i'm scum. like if i lose it's whatever, and i dont' really fight lynches on me (can't really fight lynches on me)

but i take a lot of pride in how i play town.

i know i towntold in general
i know i towntold for me
i know my play here (and right now, and this post even) looks literally nothing like my scumplay

and you acting otherwise with no evidence/backing is incredibly like pompously arrogant
you're acting like an authority in my play when you're clearly very much not

[skitter30]

Okay, Skitter. If you're town, and I'm town, and Gamma is town, who are the scum? Two of NSG, Nos, or Pork? Make a case on them that's stronger than the things I have on you.

pretty sure nsg

i think you/gamma is prob town

i don't think i can pick one of nos/pork without like rereading much of the game and isos
which will happen but not like much at this moment

[skitter30]

Okay, Skitter. If you're town, and I'm town, and Gamma is town, who are the scum? Two of NSG, Nos, or Pork? Make a case on them that's stronger than the things I have on you.

pretty sure nsg

i think you/gamma is prob town

i don't think i can pick one of nos/pork without like rereading much of the game and isos
which will happen but not like much at this moment

also i object to the notion that the things you have on me are 'strong'

[Gamma Emerald]

Nos + Porkens scum

yikes my guy

Shoshin’s wall have me mulling this over if it’s any consolation

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw nos, input on the me+Shoshin+skitter thing that happened?

[skitter30]

Okay, Skitter. If you're town, and I'm town, and Gamma is town, who are the scum? Two of NSG, Nos, or Pork? Make a case on them that's stronger than the things I have on you.

pretty sure nsg

i think you/gamma is prob town

i don't think i can pick one of nos/pork without like rereading much of the game and isos
which will happen but not like much at this moment

also i object to the notion that the things you have on me are 'strong'

tending towards nos i think but i'd have to go back and do the appropriate research before i can say that confidently

[Nosferatu]

Btw nos, input on the me+Shoshin+skitter thing that happened?

i dont see how it makes you town

its an interesting web of actions that i dont really think matters tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw nos, input on the me+Shoshin+skitter thing that happened?

i dont see how it makes you town

its an interesting web of actions that i dont really think matters tbh

Why doesn’t it make me town? Idc about how you read me, just want your thought process

[Nosferatu]

i mean why does you being a fruit vendor make you town lol?

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not the response I hoped for
Could you try thinking a bit more about the actions taken?

[Nosferatu]

And that means the scum killed Creature on the same night that Gamma gave Creature food, which just doesn't make any sense from a scum Gamma perspective

actually i can see this

[skitter30]

it actually means he did it twice in a row (why would he do that ... ?)

given that i got it and shoshin swapped me/her and that seems to be where the nk was too given that nobody else is explaining where the nk went

[northsidegal]

i'm still not really following why it's scum-indicative for him to have not reacted really

-shrug-

experience has told me that people don't usually agree with me when it comes to "not reading closely" being a scumtell. it's worked for me before, so it's just something i usually look out for.

and i'm not really liking that nsg leapt to scum!gamma. like that narrative really only makes sense if gamma is scum with shoshin and shoshin performed the nk n1 since gamma wasn't rb'd then (if he had been he'd have to be scum with nsg but i'm assuming only 2 alive scum rn)

lept to? you know that i already had gamma as scum at the start of the day, right? like, my observation wasn't any sort of change in opinion - it was just that, an observation.

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[northsidegal]

Finally, let's talk about NSG. She led the mislynch on Irrelephant on D1, as a direct counterwagon to scum Gammagooey.

it seems pretty hypocritical to point to this as a reason for me being scum when you were on varsoon the whole day, who was also town. is there some difference just because irrelephant was the one whose wagon ended up going through over varsoons?

She also tried getting a counterwagon to Gammagooey on Reck, who was one of RC's strongest scumreads for personal reasons rather than actual game-related reasons (look at my arguments with NSG about both Irrelephant and Reck, both of whom were town and both who I correctly read as town).

just because RC (and i) were wrong about reck doesn't mean you can say that his scumread was only for personal reasons. there were

without a doubt

actual reasons to scumread reck (outside any sort of personal issue) - just because he flipped town doesn't mean those reasons didn't exist. that's being results oriented vs probability oriented.

On top of that, she's been a complete non-presence ini this game, and she's shown nothing close to the level of aggressive play that she showed in POkemon (where she was inactive town but still played with a lot more care about who was lynched - here, she never showed any care about who the lynch was because all the lynches were ending up on town, and the one time there was a potential lynch on scum (Gammagooey), she actually worked to get Irrelephant/Reck mislynched on D1).

not only are you unambiguously wrong here, you're completely backwards. i've put more into trying to get the people i want lynched lynched in this game than i ever did in pokemon go. i mean, that game i was

really

lazy.

And, of course, now she's suddenly townreading Skitter above everyone else, suddenly, for reasons that are so obviously faked because there's actually nothing to townread about Skitter. Like, look at NSG's reasoning ("oh, skitter is town because if she's not town who is??"). And of course she goes after you and me because, well, that's all she's got left now that I'm onto her and Skitter. And of course, it's process of elimination.

1) my townread on skitter isn't something new.
2) "there's actually nothing to townread about skitter" lol. for one, what you quoted isn't my sole reason for towneading skitter, and for two it isn't even a bad reason in the first place - it's basically just occam's razor and in fact that sentiment is one that i basically copied verbatim from watching RC solve in situations like this

and also you seem to imply that i've somehow lost my scumread on nos, which again is not true

[Nosferatu]

if gamma is town that makes scum!nsg make a little less sense.

I wouldn't think RC would read that slot wrong as town and also go to such lengths to protect it by pretending to scumread it

[northsidegal]

given that i got it and shoshin swapped me/her and that seems to be where the nk was too given that nobody else is explaining where the nk went

i mean i think a no-kill is probably the most likely answer

[northsidegal]

did shoshin say what night she did the switcheroo on?

[northsidegal]

and also given how public shoshin was about having / buying switcheroo it seems like a fallacy to say that scum must have shot at her wanting her to die and thus she's town

[northsidegal]

if gamma is town that makes scum!nsg make a little less sense.

I wouldn't think RC would read that slot wrong as town and also go to such lengths to protect it by pretending to scumread it

so what are you thinking?

[Nosferatu]

if gamma is town that makes scum!nsg make a little less sense.

I wouldn't think RC would read that slot wrong as town and also go to such lengths to protect it by pretending to scumread it

so what are you thinking?

its interesting

[northsidegal]

:thonking:

[skitter30]

lept to? you know that i already had gamma as scum at the start of the day, right? like, my observation wasn't any sort of change in opinion - it was just that, an observation.

i'm pretty sure we have directly conflicting claims.

the fact that gamma also did not react or respond in any way at all to skitter's claiming that she received the fruit (literally the first post of the day) is pretty scum indicative. i think i'm leaning towards wanting to lynch gamma the most out of my three right now

because your response to saying 'i'm pretty sure we have directly conflicting claims' (which apparently we don't, but that's irrelevant, the point is that you thougth we did at the time) is to lynch outside of it

it's not that i think that the gamma scumread came out of nowhere, but rather that i don't understand why your impulse is to lynch outside of a pair of conflicting claims in lylo

(not entirely sure if lynching is the way to go today tho)

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nsg i'm still having a bit of bop-scumread thing with you.

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given that i got it and shoshin swapped me/her and that seems to be where the nk was too given that nobody else is explaining where the nk went

i mean i think a no-kill is probably the most likely answer

why?

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and also given how public shoshin was about having / buying switcheroo it seems like a fallacy to say that scum must have shot at her wanting her to die and thus she's town

i'm not following this, elaborate?

[northsidegal]

because your response to saying 'i'm pretty sure we have directly conflicting claims' (which apparently we don't, but that's irrelevant, the point is that you thougth we did at the time) is to lynch outside of it

it's not that i think that the gamma scumread came out of nowhere, but rather that i don't understand why your impulse is to lynch outside of a pair of conflicting claims in lylo

having already scumread nos/gamma the most, gaining information that to me either pointed to a) gamma scum or b) gamma/shoshin scum made me think that out of the three players in my poe, the one singularly most likely to flip scum would be him (not sure if i still believe that)

you thought about it in a totally different way than i did: for me it was a simple weighting of evidence and i don't think i made the same connection to the claims as you did. obviously if xyzzy had come back to say that essentially shoshin was directly counterclaiming your story then we would lynch within one of you

[northsidegal]

nsg i'm still having a bit of bop-scumread thing with you.

that's something you should really work out soon because i really don't think i should be scumread here, basically by anyone.

why?

i feel like a lot of the playerlist could be considered as a potential mislynch target and i feel like scum might have been trying to keep a wide pool of suspects

i'm not following this, elaborate?

as far as i understood it, you were saying "gamma doctored shoshin, and nobody died, thus scum must have also shot at shoshin, thus shoshin is probably town" (correct me if i'm wrong)

where i think the mistake in that line of reasoning is the "scum must have shot at shoshin thus shoshin is probably town" line: shoshin had already made it clear that she either had enough gold for switcheroo or had already purchased switcheroo. thus, nobody would target shoshin hoping that she died, right?

[northsidegal]

i mean, shoshin's track is also something to consider. yeah, it doesn't give hard innos or guilties, but it could turn what would otherwise be a confusing lylo into a 1v1

just seems more likely to me