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[SirCakez]

VOTE: carca
you guys can fight me this is scum

[SirCakez]

I think short will sort himself later so backing off there
same with thor

[Thor665]

No idea, what do you think he's up to?

Him soft encouraging Shortaru's case on me is obvious wonky because Shortaru's case is wonky. Even if Gamma wants pressure there he knows that's not how to get pressure.
I think he's hoping it keeps me distracted.

What soft encouragement are you referring to exactly? If it's his posting starting with 150 (which would be Thor and Ari wagons?), I generally get the feeling that he doesn't feel that great about his Shortaru vote anymore and he's looking for a new one. Maybe you'd just prefer him to take a hard stance somewhere and vote, but I don't really think him not doing so is particularly scummy at this point in time. His rebuttal to you about his activity isn't amazing, but I don't think it's scummy. Your argument is literally predicated on him being

too

active, which is something I find a little bizarre (unless you thought he was inflating his postcount or something, which I don't really feel like is the case here).

1. Gamma agreed my meta commentary was correct though he may or may not disagree with how I got that info.
2. I agree he appears to be soft shopping, but encouraging other people first shows that he's trying to find something with legs without putting himself out there even to the level of RVS all while he's arguing that scum might want plausible deniability in RVS. Connect dots.

If you were currrent with me, I wouldn’t question your meta on me since it is right. But since you’re not, I perceive that you are making a faulty argument. I don’t trust you using outdated yet incorrect meta to form a scumread on me, even if it is correct meta nowadays.

You and I both know even if stuff is {redacted} I'm not only able to pull from a distant past with you, and maybe if I'm not pulling from a distant past I might have done more recent research.
Your issue here is blatant hogwash.

I think short will sort himself later so backing off there
same with thor

You don't think Shortaru is already sorted? That's blatant tryhard newb or I'm not a Papa Smurf, yeah?
What's uncertain there?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I’m not anticipating you doing research, because why would you? And what research have you done anyway?

[Carcalilly]

Gamma is a little bit more on this game than I would generally expect but I'm not sure if it's a bad thing

Short is a very reasonable lynch, as fun as they are, theyre really mucking the waters.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: carca
you guys can fight me this is scum

My general approach is to state my significant opinions. The lack of substance you see might be the fact that I just type what's on my mind, which is usually a bunch of disorganized biased junk. Only if I'm reaaaally bored I'll try to make cases/crack downs, but I'm saving everyone by not doing them. They suck ass.

[Thor665]

Well I’m not anticipating you doing research, because why would you? And what research have you done anyway?

I lost interest in discussing stuff with you about the time you claimed I would have no recent meta on you after agreeing my meta conclusion was right and being aware we do have recent interactions that could easily lead to me having more recent meta awareness of you. Also, when you said that Shortaru's case on me had merit.
You're not dealing with this conversation honestly.

[Thor665]

Short is a very reasonable lynch, as fun as they are, theyre really mucking the waters.

How is he doing this?
I'll agree he's pushing a weak case badly - but that's pretty easy to ignore.
What else is he doing, and how does it actually make him a valid lynch option?

[Carcalilly]

some posts/responses are so blatantly suspicious is makes my brain shut down

[Carcalilly]

Let's not have any unnecessary claims, please.

FWIW, I was fake-claiming in 49, anyway...

... or was I?

example

[shortaru]

Let's not have any unnecessary claims, please.

FWIW, I was fake-claiming in 49, anyway...

... or was I?

example

Damn, you got me.

Bullshitting about my role is totally suspicious.

[Akarin]

VOTE: carca
you guys can fight me this is scum

Anything other than the "active posting" as you put it?

[Akarin]

@Thor: Why is ThoseInCharge your #1 town read?

He isn't. Shortaru is.
However, Shortaru is not worth sheeping I feel.

Okay, how about why is ThoseInCharge a

strong

townread?

[Akarin]

Actually you have.
I openly agreed I did what you're saying I did and asked why it was scummy and you haven't responded.
If your case has meat you should be able to describe it and not duck it twice.

I've read your advice to scum.

I don't need to engage you. You aren't the one I need to convince.

Okay, can you explain it to me? I'm pretty null on Thor right now, convince me.

[Performer]

Votecount 1.03

shortaru (3): Akarin, Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald
Carcalilly: SirCakez
SirCakez: Wisdom
Fuwa Fuwa Time (2): Flubbernugget, ThoseInCharge
Gamma Emerald (2): Thor665, BBmolla
Thor665 : Fuwa Fuwa Time
RadiantCowbells:
ThoseInCharge (2): RadiantCowbells, shortaru
Flubbernugget:
Creature:
BBmolla:
Wisdom:
Akarin:


Not voting : Creature
No lynch: no one
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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[shortaru]

Actually you have.
I openly agreed I did what you're saying I did and asked why it was scummy and you haven't responded.
If your case has meat you should be able to describe it and not duck it twice.

I've read your advice to scum.

I don't need to engage you. You aren't the one I need to convince.

Okay, can you explain it to me? I'm pretty null on Thor right now, convince me.

The primary reason I'm resistant to going into it is because rehashing what I've always said is unproductive.

If you ignored my posts before, I'm just wasting my time and cluttering the thread (even more) by saying it again.

If this was a verbal game, I'd totally get it. Memories fade, attention is split, etc... but everything in this game is documented.

If you want clarification, show me how what I've already said isn't clear to you.

[Akarin]

I've read every post you've written. Either you are being much less clear than you think you are or you're dodging the question. You've taken up much more thread space avoiding repeating yourself for fear of clutter than you would have by repeating yourself, and honestly repeating yourself wouldn't actually be clear enough, you need to be clearer.

I don't owe you quotes on where you weren't clear, how does one even show that without a bunch of walls of quotes? Don't rehash, don't quote yourself, just explain, simply and clearly why Thor is scum.

[shortaru]

Already did.

Thor said as much when he straight up admitted he did exactly what I said he did, because what he did was simply undeniable.

The fact he claimed it was NAI was an obvious defensive strategy. What, do you think he'd have confessed?

Thor is scum, period.

[Thor665]

@Thor: Why is ThoseInCharge your #1 town read?

He isn't. Shortaru is.
However, Shortaru is not worth sheeping I feel.

Okay, how about why is ThoseInCharge a

strong

townread?

Never called them a strong town read.

They're a town read for being productive and aggressive in thread during RVS.

[Akarin]

Gamma is town, besides his unknowing self-vote, which reads as genuine to me, if TheGoldenParadox got a scum PM and Gamma got a scum PM, one or the other of them would see the other listed instead of themselves, wouldn't they?

that's a derp anyone could do that's totally nai

Most people get a scum PM and don't click on the QT link?

if TheGoldenParadox got a scum PM and Gamma got a scum PM, one or the other of them would see the other listed instead of themselves, wouldn't they?

No, why would they?

Am I actually being crazy here?

Also what's up with this?

I feel he would have been too self-conscious to make that mistake as scum. With access to the scum PT, he'd have known who he was replacing and I don't think he'd have voted his own slot knowingly.

This is basically the gist of why I disagreed with the Gamma wagon.

[Akarin]

Never called them a strong town read.

They're a town read for being productive and aggressive in thread during RVS.

And that's worth sheeping and asking others to sheep you on?

[Akarin]

Already did.

Thor said as much when he straight up admitted he did exactly what I said he did, because what he did was simply undeniable.

The fact he claimed it was NAI was an obvious defensive strategy. What, do you think he'd have confessed?

Thor is scum, period.

Are you just trying to turn this into another argument instead of persuade me?

[Akarin]

Like I'm voting you right now, I'm obviously considering moving my vote, you have a case you are trying to push (in theory), I say I'm null on Thor and reading your posts. And then you give me this confrontational post that dodges the question in the same way Thor accused you of, again, and that you previously basically admitted to dodging because you don't need to sell Thor on his being scum. And then you just repeat yourself.

If you're town, stop doing this crap.

[shortaru]

Are you just trying to turn this into another argument instead of persuade me?

I'm trying to decide if it's worth the effort.

Since, you know, you're voting for me and all, I have to consider the possibility that you are just angling for excuses to sell my lynch.

If that's the case, I'd rather be lynched for refusing to repeat the same shit because at least that will set the precedent that refusing to repeat myself is not alignment indicative after I flip green.

That said, I did notice 295 and I'm waiting to see how that pans out. If that doesn't seem like SvS, I'll spend some time discussing Thor if you wish

[Akarin]

That said, this is the scummiest thing about how the Shortaru wagon dissolved:

First!

VOTE: Fuwa Fuwa Time

First vote in the first post goes to the first player listed.

Too scummy post

Where's your vote?

When I finish catching up

Oh noes!

Not liking these

Creature, why no vote?

idk who to vote, man

If Shortaru is town, Creature is pushing the wagon without actually committing to it and jumping on in one of the more suspicious wagon positions.
If Shortaru is scum, Creature is set up to bus him if it looks inevitable.
Either way, VOTE: Creature