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[shortaru]

So, you and Fuwa may both be scum?

That's a fair point. I'll consider it.

I can see how you misunderstood this post, though.

I do apologise for not wording that more clearly. I didn't mean to imply that was what you were saying.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Thor665
I’ll wait a bit to vote TIC but I’m definitely leaning that way

[SirCakez]

No new content from me until mid afternoon tomorrow
Feel like I just got run over by a bus

[Gamma Emerald]

So, you and Fuwa may both be scum?

That's a fair point. I'll consider it.

I can see how you misunderstood this post, though.

I do apologise for not wording that more clearly. I didn't mean to imply that was what you were saying.

I understand that
That’s why I swapped back

[shortaru]

Hmm.

Not vibing a Gamma wagon anymore.

UNVOTE:

I need a rethink.

[Celestial Coordinates]

VOTE: Thor665
I’ll wait a bit to vote TIC but I’m definitely leaning that way

why wait a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Thor665
I’ll wait a bit to vote TIC but I’m definitely leaning that way

why wait a bit

Because I want to see what Ari does

[shortaru]

Flubbernugget, what has FFT done to alleviate your concerns (if anything)?

[Wisdom]

I just don't understand what you get out of mafia if all you do is deathtunnel town game after game without trying to learn from it but ok sure

how is your tic tunnel different

[Wisdom]

That’s not what I said
VOTE: shortaru
Twisting my words is a scum play, plain and simple

no it isnt fucking stop fighting each other already

[Wisdom]

VOTE: tic

[shortaru]

I just don't understand what you get out of mafia if all you do is deathtunnel town game after game without trying to learn from it but ok sure

how is your tic tunnel different

VOTE: tic

I'm confused.

[Wisdom]

they're unrelated
i think rc tunnels just like he accuses others if doing but somehow thinks his tunnel is ok
But aris was underwhelming and im fine voting there

[Wisdom]

if

of

[shortaru]

Thank you, Wisdom.

VOTE: TiC

I'm willing to see where this goes.

[Celestial Coordinates]

they're unrelated
i think rc tunnels just like he accuses others if doing but somehow thinks his tunnel is ok
But aris was underwhelming and im fine voting there

the difference is i'm good at the game

[Wisdom]

thought so

[Thor665]

Ooooh, I got to erase rage at Flubber because he actually noticed I'm not the one playing word games.
Bra-Smurfin-vo.

I can explain 2 fine: because the way you stopped talking told me there was no evidence. And FYI you presenting this won’t automatically improve how I perceive you: I have done meta to support my pushes as scum in the past. But if you seem honest following this I’ll reconsider.

I stopped talking to you about it because you are outright lying about me not having recent play with you, and my goal isn't to convince scum he's scum, my goal is to get you to say enough to get lunkheads like Flubber to become aware you're claimed scum
You and I both know if I was scum it would be comically easy for me to lie about what games I read - I could have just listed a recent 20 games and been done with it.
You know I have you, and once I get the derps here to read your words I'mma lynch you - that's why you're playing word games.

Like, let's take your argument to the fore, let's say I *did* use bad meta. That still leaves you lying about my meta awareness of you to try to defend yourself. Y'know, like TOWN would do.

But yes I will interact meaningfully if you present this evidence

Note everyone - this is agreement with my point that Gamma isn't interacting with me, something he moments ago claimed wasn't happening.
He is flailing and I have Flubber arguing idiot semantics and Wisdom townreading him.
This is why I have rage.

But let's play this game, skimmy skim;

737 - you are town, start slow, spike activity, drift off.
2033 - town, slow roll start
Uncompleted game I did read - you are town, start strong drift off
2023 - scum, strong presence till near end replaceout
2035 - town, quick dropoff
214 - town slow roll that never really picks up
215 - town steady and good presence
2019 - town, slow start, never picks up
213 - scum, constant strong presence
Heroes Wanted - town constant presence
2028 - town okay start, strong dropoff
2018 - town slow start

There's probably some others, but this begins to bore me, as meta usually does.

gamma and thor are still tvt

Gamma is also highly probably town so that's a Smurf wagon.

I'll ask Wisdom again and RC for the first time.
Why is Gamma town?
Like, if I'm missing something huge I'd like to be made aware of it because I am probe to tunnel, but this case feels monstrously solid to me right now, and it's highly apparent Gamma is playing word games with the thread.

[Wisdom]

gamma is not a criminal mastermind thor
dont overestimate him

[Thor665]

@Wisdom - my case on him isn't a criminal mastermind case, it's that he's denying something that he knows is legit to try to weaken a push on him. If anything I'm suggesting he's not being clever, yeah?

How does this translate to him being town?

Tryhard newb doesn't reveal alignment, not sure what you're getting at.

I've never seen tryhard newb scum - can you show me an example of what that looks like?
Tryhard newb town is easy to see - they think they're uber clever and basically have infinite paranoia. It's a valid town tell in my experience.

[Wisdom]

youre saying hes playing word games implying hes manipulative

[Thor665]

youre saying hes playing word games implying hes manipulative

Okay, I'm actually saying he's playing word games to avoid giving direct answers, which I'll agree is manipulative, but it's more of a 'this is really obvious if you bother to look' level of manipulation.

Also, saying Gamma is too daft to manipulate as scum seems a very odd stance to take, as I have never found that to be true so unless he's gotten really daft lately I don't see how it's a thing.

Could you please discuss my case in a more general sense rather than tacking at one narrow point and describe how you still get a town read on Gamma?
Or, if you need to tack to a specific point, could you give a few sentences of explanation as to why that clears him rather than making me chase you to get an answer?
I'm frustrated that I'm having to dog you down for a read you're openly expressing - please back yourself up some - especially since you appear to have two townreads, one of whom is assuredly focused on the other and Gamma at least parking his vote on me while doing spit with it - which means you have two townreads being very unhelpful so a good pro-town move on your part would be to shake that up.
Engage with me, it's how I get reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I might have something on Thor

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so:
I was talking to Ranmaru on Discord and we talked about some old games, and he mentioned some past history with Thor that has made me think he’s scum here. Two things Ranmaru talked about Thor being like as scum was his “killing intent” and his what I summed up as his lack of banter. The killing intent is basically how aggressive Thor is in pushing his reads. I think this point makes Thor scum, as he clearly has that killing intent against me. As for the lack of banter, Thor will make jokes in his town games, but not in his scum games. I don’t recall Thor making any jokes, do you?
Also, fuck you for twisting my words Thor. I merely said I’d interact there, you’re adding your bullshit to it and it pisses me off. You’re the one who shut down the conversation in the first place, then you call me the one who isn’t engaging, ask me to engage, and when I say I will make sure to do that because I want you to stop hiding behind your attitude you act like it’s a signed confession.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also wrt “lying” about meta awareness:
HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU READ MY GAMES YOU KOOK? THAT SORT OF TWISTY SHIT IS WHY I HAVE ALT HUNTED PEOPLE WHI CLAIMED EXPERIENCE WITH ME ON AN ALT: IT IS DECEITFUL AND PUTS THE VICTIM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CANT EFFECTIVE DEFEND.