TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [mafia]

[northsidegal]

by the way if you end up having enough gold for switcheroo then you can buy it and then there's no chance we lose

[northsidegal]

like if you have switcheroo and you're in 3 person lylo there's no way people can vote to lynch you unless someone hammers themselves

let's say it's {nos, GE, pork} and you have switcheroo with GE

if either of them vote you then you self quickhammer, lynching GE, winning us the game

if either of them votes the other then you just say "not hammering", they'll crossvote and you hammer nos (or whoever you don't have switcheroo with), winning us the game

[northsidegal]

this is assuming none of them purchase switcheroo / have the gold to purchase switcheroo

and if you're going to do that plan i would target GE over nos because GE spent money on a doc protect on shoshin and so probably doesn't have the gold to buy anything

[northsidegal]

If we go through with this plan then:

A) You kill Shoshin (imo)
B) You don't ever mention anything about having bought switcheroo
C) Don't vote early in lylo.

and that's really all I think you would need to do? like no matter how you played it if they didn't somehow know that you had bought switcheroo there's no way they could win. That's another reason to switcheroo with GE as well, because if you switcheroo'd with Nos they might figure out that you bought switcheroo with him based off of Gamma's fruit vend

although now that i type that out if GE fruit vends you he would receive his own fruit and realize. hm.

[northsidegal]

i should actually do the math to see if this is something we can do before anything else

[northsidegal]

I don't think you said how much gold you get from being on a lynch / on a mafia lynch. With your vote on me plus Nos doubling it I think it should be enough anyways though

[northsidegal]

given that it looks like nosferatu got the 1-shot cop (unless you got it), i think that only furthers the plan of killing shoshin and doing switcheroo with gamma

if he checks you it'll direct to gamma and make it look like you're innocent

if he checks gamma it'll direct to you and make it look like gamma is guilty

[northsidegal]

@mod, can you elaborate on how a targeted ability would resolve on someone who had both switcheroo and pocket spa?

[xyzzy]

if player A has a switcheroo with player B, player A also has an active pocket spa, and player C targets player A with an ability, it will successfully redirect to player B. if player C instead targets player B with an ability, it will attempt to redirect to player A and then fail.

[northsidegal]

hm, so if GE fruit vends you then having pocket spa does nothing to not-incriminate you. (

@mod

what is the word for the opposite of incriminate?)

[xyzzy]

listen buddy if I knew the opposite word of "incriminate" do you think I'd be here moderating mafia games on the internet? no I'd be using that skill to become incredibly wealthy and famous

[northsidegal]

dang, really thought i could get it out of him if i just slipped it casually into the last part of a post. i even had parenthesis to make it more stealthy.

well, that get-rich-quick scheme is a bust. guess it's back to voting for people to get lynched to earn my gold

[northsidegal]

it occurs to me that it would be better to kill GE if you're going to do the plan of using switcheroo to win

that way no matter who gets the fruit GE won't be alive to say "hey that's not who i targeted" and thus there's no reason to suspect that you have switcheroo

[northsidegal]

and then it doesn't really matter what shoshin or nos think unless they somehow both divine that you are scum and that you bought switcheroo with someone

not exactly

impossible

but i really don't expect them to

[northsidegal]

@mod

, if there were theoretically a role that allowed someone to spend double the gold they currently had in any given night, how would that affect how much gold they had remaining after that effect wore off?
?
that is, if i had 500 gold which was doubled to 1,000 and i bought something that cost 400 gold, how much gold would i have remaining?

[northsidegal]

ignore me that's not nos' role i'm sorry

[northsidegal]

nos' role is that if he targeted you you get double gold

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the end of the day, i.e. however much you would get from voting me would be doubled

really the only question here is if you'll have enough gold for switcheroo. if you will then that makes things relatively easy as far as i currently understand, you would buy switcheroo with one of shoshin or nos and then kill GE to avoid his fruit vend outing the switcheroo

nosferatu might have enough gold to buy something from costco but the

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situation i can think of that ruins things for you would be if he bought switcheroo with you, which seems very unlikely. (if he buys anything else like a track or whatever it just resolves to shoshin or himself. actually if he tracked you and you switcheroo'd with him he would... track himself to himself? you should probably switcheroo with shoshin just to avoid that situation)

[northsidegal]

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1.

Check to see how much gold you currently have and how much you gain from each lynch / each lynch on a mafia member. If, after my lynch, it'll be enough to buy Switcheroo by itself, great. If it'll only be enough if Nos doubles it, we need to make sure that that happens. You can decide however you want to get him to do that, but I think you should keep in mind that I expect to get lynched

pretty quickly

after you claim the guilty. Maybe ask nos to target you before you even claim the guilty? Say you're withholding the result for reactions or something? Like I said - up to you.

2.

Assuming we can buy Switcheroo,

kill Gamma Emerald

and

Switcheroo Shoshin

. Kill Gamma Emerald because we don't want him to alive to say that whoever received fruit wasn't actually who he sent it to. If he targeted you and it resolved to whoever you Switcheroo'd with and he was alive to say that, that'd ruin the plan. I say to switcheroo Shoshin because I expect her to not have enough gold to do anything useful, but really the only important thing here is that nobody buys anything from the fantasy Costco that would reveal that you have Switcheroo.

3.

If you've made it to LyLo and there haven't been any incriminating night results, basically just sit back and make sure not to hammer whoever your Switcheroo target was. If someone ever votes you, quickhammer yourself and it'll lynch your switcheroo target, winning us the game (ASSUMING THAT YOU HAD ENOUGH GOLD FOR SWITCHEROO TO WORK AND IT WENT THROUGH). If someone votes your switcheroo target, say "not hammering", they should crossvote, and you hammer the first person, winning us the game.

[northsidegal]

Okay, the Fantasy Gachapon item for today is a jailkeeper. That... might be a problem. If a kill went through you would essentially be claiming an innocent on whoever you targeted.

With luck I'll be able to self-hammer and give it to myself (given that I can win with one less vote), but if worse comes to worse I would use it on your switcheroo target (

i.e. target yourself!!

) and say that they must be innocent because a kill still went through. The person you didn't target with switcheroo will presumably vote you, and you can self-hammer.

[northsidegal]

i think that's all the role-related nonsense i can think of? killing GE, switcheroo Shoshin, if you have jailkeep then jailkeep yourself (i.e. Shoshin)

If you end up having the jailkeeper then it'll be a bit screwy having to deal with that along with Nos' 1-shot cop unless he targets GE. Like, you saying you jailed Shoshin when a kill still went through clearly looks like an inno but if he targets Shoshin he'll get a guilty.

No matter what happens, if you end up getting the 1-shot Jailkeep then the prospect of Scuttle Buddy (i.e. the ascetic) will come up. I can't prepare for every situation but as long as you have the switcheroo and as long as you don't hammer your switcheroo target i think you should basically never lose.

[Porkens]

Amazing

Do I announce that I tracked you to skitter?

[northsidegal]

Oh nice you got the 1-shot cop! That makes things easier I think?

I think you ask Nos to give you the double gold thing before you announce it

[northsidegal]

how much gold do you gain from a mafia lynch?

[Porkens]

151

[northsidegal]

okay, so do you know if you'll have enough for switcheroo without or with the double?