micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

[Musicjax]

What's wrong

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

Vote count 1.1

lynch:

skitter30 (3):

YurikoJasmine, TesXX, Musicjax

TesXX (2):

northsidegal, Gamma Emerald

not voting (4):

The Dark Wanderer, Raya36, DVa, skitter30

coalition:

• TesXX
  : Raya36, Musicjax, TesXX, YurikoJasmine, Gamma Emerald
  
• The Dark Wanderer
  : Gamma Emerald, The Dark Wanderer, northsidegal
  
• Musicjax
  : Musicjax, YurikoJasmine
  
• northsidegal
  : northsidegal, Gamma Emerald
  
• skitter30
  : skitter30
  
• Gamma Emerald
  : The Dark Wanderer
  
• Raya36
  : none proposed
  
• YurikoJasmine
  : none proposed
  
• DVa
  : none proposed

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends november 28th at 23:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-11-28 23:00:00)

mod notes

• skitter is VLA on fridays and saturdays
  
• Raya36 has (expired on 2018-11-09 18:40:00) to confirm and post before being replaced

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[Musicjax]

I'm sorry schadd

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

[TesXX]

Binally fack
Page 3

Skeptical of a gamma/wanderer team

can you explain agreeing that his argument for gamma being town is a "good point" and also thinking that it makes them both more likely to be scum? that seems pretty contradictory to me.

No. Skeptical as in I'm LESS certain they're a scumteam.
Still probably my best bet but it did sort of make me reconsider.

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

Nah

would you say that you're playing as you normally do as town?

Well I mean this is my first ms game in over a year I think so there isn't really any accurate description of "how I usually play as town." Usually I change my play with every game because I'm trying to improve from the last game.

also, you missed this:

This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)

why?

what made that worth pointing out as it relates to post 18?

Yeah my bad I forgot this one.
I thought it was worth pointing out because I thought post 18 indicated a gamma/wanderer team and 17 added upon it despite not being that alignment indicative.

the way that he's discrediting the townreads on gamma feels like more like wolf paranoid about villas finding each other than villa who scumreads him

Uh no I'm discrediting the town reads because I disagree with the reasoning and think it's wrong. That's not wolf paranoid of townies allying that's me pointing out what I don't like.

he also called me a partner then backed off on that when I called him wolfy for it, which is exactly the response you'd expect if we were both wolves

No I was responding to posts page by page. I thought I made that pretty clear.

What the f

No swearing

[TesXX]

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

Yeah because of the fool proof coalition I made at the beginning
Since we're out of Rvs and I forgot to do this earlier, HURT: everyone for now
I'll try to analyze all the players tomorrow and get a better idea of what I think, maybe make a read list idk

[skitter30]

I'm Invisibility btw.

huh

==

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

i mean i'm pretty sure it was a meme/rvs coalition and that he hadn't gotten around to updating it yet
what did you think it meant?

kinda tending town on him actually

[The Dark Wanderer]

im gonna say I was probably wrong on tesxx, I think Skitter is telling the truth about this being how he plays and there are things that i like from him.

Also thinking that Skitter is town for bringing it up but I guess it is still plausible that she brought it up for towncred since being towny is more important than framing people as scum

I wonder how scum are actually approaching this game since it occurs to me that moves that would ordinarily be very unlikely as scum make more sense when the only goal of this part of the game is to be in the coalition and the confirmed scum in town block situation gives scum an easy excuse to change their reads on people

thinking from that point of view there's not actually much motivation for scum tesxx to start attacking universal townread gamma emerald, it creates enemies and doesn't actually put scum in a better position here

so yes I guess my skitter30 and gamma emerald townreads are a sizable amount shakier than they previously were, whereas northsidegal is still very likely town and tesxx can be town as well

HURT: gamma
HEAL: tesxx

[DVa]

dva why did you single gamma out

I'm stalking him

[DVa]

Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

Gamma would you like to dance?

[DVa]

I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30

the age old question, does chummy=scummy?

[DVa]

why do you think dva was awkward?

are you a new player?

having a hard time following your thought process here skitter, why would thinking my first post was awkward make him new?

[DVa]

{nsg}
{GE, TDW}
{Raya, Musicjax, skitter}
{TesXX, Yuriko, DVa}

obviously wrong on me but I'm inclined to townread a page2 readslist based on rvs personally

[DVa]

HEAL: Yuriko

hmm

[DVa]

This is an incredibly wolfy post

HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

dva are you an alt?

Yes, now please never talk about this again

[DVa]

HURT: gamma
HEAL: tesxx

You're still town but you're wrong on Gamma and possibly wrong on tes too

[Gamma Emerald]

Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

Gamma would you like to dance?

The night is young but yes I would like to dance with you.

[DVa]

<3 <3 <3

HEAL: DVa
Gamma Emerald

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: DVa

[Musicjax]

HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

[YurikoJasmine]

I don’t get what the fuss is on

DVa

’s

one and only

opening post. I don’t find it scummy.

Re:

GE

’s “thank god im town” statement I don’t think it’s AI either.

The

DVa

/

GE

interaction: is ok.

I dislike

northsidegal

(I keep reading her name as “nothingsideal”)’s overall fishing style, asking questions that are either obvious (#27) and spec-related (#49) (what I mean here is that it sounds like a random question to a random person just for question’s sake).
Her #33 is unexplained, she dislike the question made by

TDW

in #23 yet put him in the towniest pack (I mean, I don’t see how he’s more townie than others); she scum read (and voted) two people who had made exactly one post and states “gut feelings". Overall I'm just not convinced.

Re:

skitter

and my language issue, my own stance being, being weird =/= being scum, but being defensive is. I think #29 was a decent response and is not defensive (what I would expect from scum: something along the line of "I didn't say you were scummy! But you're still weird!"). I don't like how she asked

northsidegal

to elaborate her (northsidegal's) reads but refused to elaborate her (skitter's) own reads.

I disagree with

TesXX

's reads in #48 towards TDW/ GE, but his subsequent reaction in #58 and #79 seems genuine.

TDW

's thought process is easy to follow and feels genuine to me. I don't feel like scum would make a statement on "I wonder how scum will play" (#82).

Musicjax

(and other players in the "minimal" playstyle) is kind of hard for me to read. I would say it's null leaning scum...?

So I guess for the time being I'll
VOTE: northsidegal and
HEAL: myself
HEAL: TDW
HEAL: TesXX

[skitter30]

why do you think dva was awkward?

are you a new player?

having a hard time following your thought process here skitter, why would thinking my first post was awkward make him new?

i wanted to know why he thought the post was awkward

i also noticed that his account was made recently so i was also wondering why if he's new to mafia.

the questions weren't particularly related to each other

==

{nsg}
{GE, TDW}
{Raya, Musicjax, skitter}
{TesXX, Yuriko, DVa}

obviously wrong on me but I'm inclined to townread a page2 readslist based on rvs personally

why is she obviously wrong on you?

==

I don't like how she asked northsidegal to elaborate her (northsidegal's) reads but refused to elaborate her (skitter's) own reads.

the reason for the read stems from a game that was ongoing yesterday that ended this morning that gamma and nsg were both still alive in so i didn't particularly want to elaborate just then since i figured the game would be ending soonish

basically i'm tending town on her for not active lurking and for actively engaging other people
i kinda want to see if how she is approaching the game lasts for a decent span of time before becoming confident in it tho since ime she can fake it for a while but pretty much in all games i've played with scum!her she ended up active lurking at best as the game progressed

==

i'm tending town on all of: tdw, tess, nsg, yuriko
no thoughts either way: gamma, raya
gut scum but idk how to explain why yet: dva, music

[Raya36]

Hey everyone!
Sorry about missing the first bit.

skitter30 is also possibly town as well for inquiring about yurikojasmine's potential language barrier as opposed to using it as an excuse to push her

I have to agree with this. Scum could easily put some suspicion on jasmine's tone and if that was caught by scum I feel like they wouldn't bring it up and argue for it to be nai and instead save it as a point towards a potential push.
I don't think this is a good enough point for a town read but I'm leaning a little towards town on Skitter for this reason.
HEAL: Skitter30

I also like this post in general from Wanderer. The points may not be particularly strong but it's early in the game and I see a genuine effort which is a good sign so townlean here as well.
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

i mean, there's really not much to elaborate

on

as of now and i would prefer to let people play without the influence of whatever i have to say

saying anything about my scumreads now is neither convincing enough to get them lynched nor reliable enough for me to want to lynch them nor do i believe it is helpful in my ability to read them better later (the opposite of that, in fact)

so i guess for now i'll just shrug and say "gut"

The whole thought process of this post seems very town oriented to me. There is no attempt of any sort of push or even creating a little suspicion even when asked for reasons for her scum reads. The logic given in the post is heavily oriented towards getting good reads as well which is towny.
HEAL: northsidegal

I'm a little wary of Tes right now. He seemed to jump in with a lot of scum reads and very little analysis on who town could be. Not necessarily scummy but it definitely stood out to me when a big part of this set up is finding town, especially in the first day.

This was just some of the things that stood out from a quick read. More to come soon

[TesXX]

Got some work but not much
Should be able to post more content tonight and analyze a few players

[Raya36]

HEAL: DVa

Any reasoning for this?