Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

[Irrelephant11]

Also RC has lost 100% of his nsg-reading authority fmpov

[Irrelephant11]

shout out to all the Tom Bodetts!

[Varsoon]

yeah check dead thread for how huge a disappointment this was.

[Varsoon]

Props to Xyzzy for running it, though! I did like the flavor/theme, too.
Please never run another setup where scum can get multiple daykills T_T

[Varsoon]

Also RC has lost 100% of his nsg-reading authority fmpov

RC tends to be a real braggart about the accuracy of their reads.
I'd never give 'em that authority even if they were right more often than not.

[RadiantCowbells]

I was in this game for a tiny fraction of it and scumread NSG for most of that fraction

The fact that you collectively decided to blame me for a game that I was barely in falling apart says a lot more about you than it does about me.

[Varsoon]

A ton of players took your reads as law (foolishly) and scum let that go on because those reads were wrong.
Yes, town doesn't owe it's failure to your reads, but you should still accept that when you wield influence in games, as town, you need to temper that influence with plausible doubt.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't have to give final reads before a Lynch is about to go down.

[Irrelephant11]

Oh I definitely don't think you're the reason town lost, not even close. Read the dead thread for how annoyed I got at like *every other townie*
But you're *a* reason

1) Irrelephant is well aware that I'm like absolutely fucking god tier at reading NSG. Insta gamesolve level. Yet the best he's willing to do is sheep my scumlean for now?

"explain NSG"

you know full well that your choices are to call me scum or accept NSG as town.

So yes, you contributed to town loss, including my mislynch
Get annoyed with nsg for using your misread to win as scum and destroying your "I can read nsg" streetcred, not at me for acknowledging it happened

[RadiantCowbells]

???

I literally had nothing to do with your lynch

My final scumpool was reck gamma porkens

Maybe if you helped prevent varsoon reck from putting me in a position where I needed NSGs help to survive I wouldn't have just assumed she was town

[RadiantCowbells]

I would have always corrected that I wasn't 100% on NSG before a lynch went down but if you feel the need to knock me down a peg then go ahead, even my reads this game prove your attack on my ability wrong.

[Lycanfire]

Town are you ok?

[Irrelephant11]

You were the reason I was on the table D1, no one else made anything resembling a real case
But yes, I concede you came around on me before repping out, thanks to shoshin
Yes, Varsoon and Reckoner's personal beefs with you are on me, sorry about that (???)

I think you're fantastic at reads in general
I'm not gonna sheep you on nsg when my gut has a different answer in the future
That's all I was saying, so maybe take it less personally

[Gammagooey]

heyy everybody!

yeah I don't think we played that well as mafia but town was just...real bad after the first two days. I still dunno how NSG wound up not getting lynched after skitter pointed out Varsoon's roleblock crumb that I killed him for (even though I did my best to spam the thread up a bit to disguise that on my way out).

It really would have helped town too if they tried a little harder to use the setup to their advantage too - lynching a town player that took up two spots on my wagon after my lynch really hurt the amount of gold/items town could get until lategame except for Shoshin, and town getting as many docs as possible to the players collectively thought to be towniest seemed like the best way to play it to me until scum was down to 1 player and everyone could just save for trackers and hopefully win that way.

I think generally town just needed to play harder and communicate better about their reads and try to come to some sort of consensus on town-read people before MYLO/LYLO and actually discuss people's play a bit more - Porkens pretty much just coasted all game after I bussed him since scum killed the one or two people that mentioned still thinking he was scummy whenever they spoke out alone.

honestly this is probably my least fav game I've ever played in (in terms of result; setup and flavor were pretty fun)
everyone who could have solved this just... didn't
nsg should not have survived mylo after skitter found varsoon's crumb (not to mention how dumb it was she survived any day phase after leading my lynch)
porkens should never have been townread by anyone ever
town game threw repeatedly

Sad that I have to include this in my wiki, tbh

@scum do any of you want that free comic book? If not there are some of us early town deaths who do

I mean you don't haaave to include it in your wiki

you can be lazy like me and just not update it for several months-a year

I do want dat book though so I'm putting my name in for it along with any scumfriends who want it too

gj pulling it off at the end btw NSG and Porkens! You guys had a pretty solid plan for endgame in the scum QT and I was def. concerned you guys were busy with life stuff the whole game and were just winging it the entire time

[northsidegal]

I'm not gonna sheep you on nsg when my gut has a different answer in the future

-shrug-

i think that's kind of a knee-jerk reaction that feels like a logical fallacy to me. kind of like people hearing about a plane crash and deciding that cars are safer.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do whatever feels right to you Irrelephant

[Creature]

What was MS' last town win?

[RadiantCowbells]

Only I get criticized in the postgame and dead thread (lol gammagooey) of a game where 2/3 of my scumreads were scum

[Gammagooey]

What was MS' last town win?

town won game-throwing mafia UPick? Dunno about normals https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76649

this was winnable if town had played a lot better d3 at least

I think the last two games I played with you were wacky dueling/dayvig shenanigans and towns are pretty much never patient enough collectively to win those types of games unless they get a lead really early on

[Irrelephant11]

haha i mean do we deserve to win probably not

but does town deserve to win?

probably not either.

this made me lol

[Irrelephant11]

Only I get criticized in the postgame and dead thread (lol gammagooey) of a game where 2/3 of my scumreads were scum

Upon further reflection, you're mostly right about this. I get why that would get under your skin - sorry, sincerely.

[Irrelephant11]

shoshin what happened this game

[Gammagooey]

Only I get criticized in the postgame and dead thread (lol gammagooey) of a game where 2/3 of my scumreads were scum

I mean I didn't criticize your reads, if you hadn't been such an ass to Reck and had stayed in the game town would have probably had a better chance of winning

You just play arrogantly and are obnoxious to other players and then don't seem to grasp that the consequences of doing that are it making some people not want to play with you to the point of just wanting to lynch you out of the game and encouraging everyone who does follow your reads to not put enough effort into reconsidering them later because you tried to beat them into submission with how right you are all the time

I still think you're not bad at the game of mafia but holy hell could you improve a lot by treating players like human beings and having conversations with them instead of being an ass to everyone until you get kicked out of games

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't start shit with Reckoner, he started shit with me, and the great crime I was kicked for was... saying that the hurricane existing did not make him town. I treated the people who treated me like a human being the same, and I treated the ones who didn't the same. I'm not going to perpetually turn the other cheek with people who pick fights with me and claim the moral high ground.

[Shoshin]

I dunno, Irrelepheant. WHat happened? Game was lost.

I strongly disagree with anyone blaming me for this loss, though. Like, I defended against your mislynch on D1, I lynched scum on D2, I defended against Reck's mislynch on D3, and made sure we lynched hated townie over obvious town Gamma on D4 so that we wouldn't automatically lose... I did basically everything in my power to prevent a mislynch on Gamma throughout the game, even faking an innocent result on him... and then I voted scum NSG...

Like, I dunno. I could have played better, for sure. But I was traveling for most of this game (out of the country, limited internet access), so it wasn't the kind of game I could put all my energy into.

I won't play with Nos again. He spent the whole game calling me a bad player while exclusively pushing mislynches throughout, giving extra gold to scum, and doing nothing useful. My biggest mistake was trusting his townread on Pork when I shouldn't have.

I did in fact scumread NSG since D3, in case that wasn't clear (notice the jailkeep on her, as well as basically calling her scum on D3). So I dunno. How the hell wasn't she lynched? Beyond my understanding.