Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[LabRat01]

do it

WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,

as partners

, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.

uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre game
I prob wouldn't have had enough time to read 10 pages of another game after getting the RC even if I tried it

Why not?

What why not?

[LabRat01]

Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.

-Kor

does creature lurk as scum? is it like a general rule or just a shitter read

[Irrelephant11]

oh yay this game started!

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

wanna check it for me?

Nah, it's not there.

VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

aww, that's a shame VOTE: carmen
I'm p sure some form of it should be there though, cuz the bracket thingy is written in my RC
wanna check it again? or are you lying in order for someone to notice this "contradiction" and derp you as town?

I'm personally not really sure what to make of this post. I get it if its a joke, however, it feels awkward. It feels like the joke fell flat after he continued it on, and said that his vote was semi-serious, (which, why was it semi-serious?). That doesn't really sit well with me atm. Its reading to me like he's certain that Carmen is actually scum and trying to do that to get cleared as town, which, would imply that Carmen is scum as well.

I read Carmen's post as a joke, (which, admittedly, I'd have done too), and their post is fine. It's actually alright. It doesn't bother me. Lab's post does actually bother me however. I can see him thinking Carmen's post isn't a joke, (when I'm pretty sure it is one—unless Carmen is a god-tier scum-player and can get away with that), however, his reaction to the joke feels wrong.

That was a bullshit read based on my imagination of how a mafia’s reaction to getting a town alignment would look like. Carmen’s post was a joke, but it was written in a safe way, that could come from mafia who wanted to joke about it, but was too stressed to open-wolf right at the beginning of the game.
(by lying and saying that “there was nothing in their RC”, they could give themselves a bit more leeway than if they wrote “lol, it’s really there”)
I could explain it better, but I think manatee wouldn’t really like it
But yes, it is connected to how I see my role card and what I know about the host
This was never meant to be a joke, but after writing the post I realized that it could be misunderstood in a really wrong way. There isn’t anything more to it

What makes you think that scum would post that in thread though? Why wouldn't they PM Manatee or post it in their PT? What do they have to gain by posting that in the thread? FMPOV, scum wouldn't want to only because then they run the risk of accidentally outing themselves, and that would put town one step closer to winning, (only requiring one more mafia to be sent to hell to win).

I would've done the same thing as Carman in that situation; I'd have jokingly said "No, its not there, it says Mafia however". If you don't believe me on that, the newbie game with LCPL and myself, I jokingly claimed SK at the very start of the game. I don't really see RVS jokes as AI, but rather as NAI. It's RVS memes. Sure, Carman saying that is plausible suspicion, however, you aren't really taking into account the RVS aspect of it.

Additionally, if that post isn't a joke, then IMO, that makes it incredibly scummy, because I'm seeing it as you're pretty sure that Carmen is actually scum, and that was a slip. What benefit does Carmen (or the scum team) get if they are actually scum, and they do obv!scum early D1? Wouldn't it be better for Carmen to

not

do that then?

do it

WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,

as partners

, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.

uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre game
I prob wouldn't have had enough time to read 10 pages of another game after getting the RC even if I tried it

Why not?

What why not?

Why wouldn't you have time after the game started?

Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.

-Kor

does creature lurk as scum? is it like a general rule or just a shitter read

Yea, Creature, (as town) is able to obv!town himself fairly easily just by posting.
Scum!Creature however, typically lurks out of the game. Creature prefers to be town, not scum.
Ultimately, you have to look at his posting, however, if he hasn't really posted, and has just lurked, general rule of thumb says that he's scum.

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

oh yay this game started!

Irrel, do you have any thoughts about the game so far?

-Kor

[Keyser Söze]

however, I don't really see it as the basis for a semi-serious(?) vote

Those were my page one feels mayn. They're obviously not gonna be killer cases with resounding substance and power.

(Please note: I purposefully didn't want my first vote to be random, regardless of how much I believed that player was actually scum)

[Keyser Söze]

Currently looking at Dr J - yes, he's asking questions (some I don't understand how they're helping him sort a player) and calling players posts weird/odd/wrong - but is he attributing an alignment to each of these observations? Where are his conclusions?

I.e is he just pressing players for the sake of it? (scummy motivation).

I will come up with a conclusion in the next 41 minutes.

[Irrelephant11]

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you

do you think you'll be able to read him?

Played two consecutive completed games with him recently, so I hope that helps me.

WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,

as partners

, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.

this sounds about right for town!Keyser on page 2

Hmmm. I have a fair bit of experience with keyser so I might hold off on exactly how to read him here for a bit if that's alright (I promise, the end result will make up for the inconvenience. )

I kinda wish more people would come to play at this point. If you have any other hot takes lmk. I know volxen and Relly for example are good at producing content.

I'm here! You're not in my townreads yet, I'll let you decide what to do with that

MU doesn’t even work on my phone unless WiFi

Rip

Yeah, what the hell happened to MU, even in some browsers it's broken.

Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?

Bit too early for that but a

send to hell

vote on Lefty was suffice. Ask me again when everyone has posted.

as far as Keyser goes, he's not someone I would townread off a derpclear or tone or anything like that

I'm glad you put the breaks on here... I thought you were showing me too much love x

Your vote on Lefty is either a good one or too easy
I don't feel much from Lefty tbh, which is maybe a little scum indicative
I don't love that tw asked you to pick a scum from earlyposters even though you already had (busywork?)

I am here, game started when I was asleep.

@Mod, could we have what phase it is put in the thread title?

(Ik that we should know, however, just so its always known and someone can't use the argument of "well I didn't know it was (phase), otherwise I wouldn't have hammered them!")

slight townlean for this (more because it's Korina than if it was anyone else)

Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?

Don’t cross the line though or a tragedy may occur

Spoiler: nudity and severe congenital defects

That’s better

Spoiler: NSFW

ԅ( ˘ω˘ԅ)
so many animal avatars in the game...

oh
oh my

how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.

Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.

I really don't know what is being said here
Yep, I've read it three times and still don't know

oh yay this game started!

Irrel, do you have any thoughts about the game so far?

-Kor

I'm catching up, thank u

[Irrelephant11]

dumb
somehow there's an extra layer of quotes there, can't seem to fix it
Hopefully my responses are clear

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Currently looking at Dr J - yes, he's asking questions (some I don't understand how they're helping him sort a player) and calling players posts weird/odd/wrong - but is he attributing an alignment to each of these observations? Where are his conclusions?

I.e is he just pressing players for the sake of it? (scummy motivation).

I will come up with a conclusion in the next 41 minutes.

Part of this is because I’m in a hydra, I’d much rather bounce ideas off LCPL

then

give what we both agree upon, however, if you want my own personal thoughts on the matter, I think that Lab isbplaying scummy rn.
I’m trying to apply pressure onto him to see how he reacts.

If you actually read my posts, you’d see that I’ve said I find Lab to be scummy.
I’m also waiting to see what Lab has to say before I make my final conclusion, however, atm, I think he’s likely to flip scum.

-Kor

[LabRat01]

That was a bullshit read based on my imagination of how a mafia’s reaction to getting a town alignment would look like. Carmen’s post was a joke, but it was written in a safe way, that could come from mafia who wanted to joke about it, but was too stressed to open-wolf right at the beginning of the game.
(by lying and saying that “there was nothing in their RC”, they could give themselves a bit more leeway than if they wrote “lol, it’s really there”)
I could explain it better, but I think manatee wouldn’t really like it
But yes, it is connected to how I see my role card and what I know about the host
This was never meant to be a joke, but after writing the post I realized that it could be misunderstood in a really wrong way. There isn’t anything more to it

What makes you think that scum would post that in thread though? Why wouldn't they PM Manatee or post it in their PT? What do they have to gain by posting that in the thread? FMPOV, scum wouldn't want to only because then they run the risk of accidentally outing themselves, and that would put town one step closer to winning, (only requiring one more mafia to be sent to hell to win).

Lol, you’re reading it in a really weird way. You’re assuming that mafia doesn’t make awkward jokes because they’re afraid of outing themselves. That’s obviously not the case

Sure, they could have said nothing, but you cannot assume that “being cautious” will stop scum from posting jokes. It’s not that “they will gain anything”, it’s that “they thought it’s fun and they thought that they couldn’t lose anything by just joking around (while taking the necessary safety measures)”. Which I refuted by SRing them

I would've done the same thing as Carman in that situation; I'd have jokingly said "No, its not there, it says Mafia however". If you don't believe me on that, the newbie game with LCPL and myself, I jokingly claimed SK at the very start of the game.

And yeeeah, I believe you would say that. I would have been totally SRing you in the newb game you and LCpl were in. The tone in your posts was really weird and your arguments tended to miss the point so damn much (at least in the first few pages)…
Btw, I was supposed to ask you for that in the beginning of the game, but I forgot. Could you link me to a finished scum game of yours? A good one if possible

I don't really see RVS jokes as AI, but rather as NAI. It's RVS memes. Sure, Carman saying that is plausible suspicion, however, you aren't really taking into account the RVS aspect of it. Additionally, if that post isn't a joke, then IMO, that makes it incredibly scummy, because I'm seeing it as you're pretty sure that Carmen is actually scum, and that was a slip. What benefit does Carmen (or the scum team) get if they are actually scum, and they do obv!scum early D1? Wouldn't it be better for Carmen to

not

do that then?

And oh god, have I not said enough that it was not a fully developed read?
Were you expecting me to go all wishy-washy and explain myself in every post that I’m not actually that confident in it? Seriously, even if I wanted to do that, that’s just not how you push people
Jeez, just c’mon, that would be just bad

[LabRat01]

do it

WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,

as partners

, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.

uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre game
I prob wouldn't have had enough time to read 10 pages of another game after getting the RC even if I tried it

Why not?

What why not?

Why wouldn't you have time after the game started?

I’m a slow reader, reading 10 pages (especially in a game with a lot of walls) would take me a few hours. Besides, I was rather active on the thread early on, so I would have to be distracting myself all the time, which would make reading that even longer -_-
Idk how much time was from day-start to the point when I said that I’ve read the game, but it shouldn’t be more than 0,5-1 hour
That’s just not a thing I’d be able to do

[LabRat01]

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you

honestly, that joke feels a bit off

but I guess he just started playing and is in the RvS stake, so w/e


more importantly, @Keyser you got cheated on... :thumbs_up:

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: the worst

What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?

You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.
Possibly younger

It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to write

anything

that might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.
Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here

Sort of aggressive response, town points for that I think

I half answered it/revised post because of *ongoing game*...

But yeah, I went into this game thinking... ‘if I’m scum, I hope it’s with the worst!’

(I prefer scum hunting though, as VT my ideal role)

without a second thought about rolling scum with me? I'm hurt

Me and TW are in love with eachother right now, but his introduction was maybe 15% buddy-esque towards me (from his point of you I bet he thinks I was trying to buddy him too! (Maybe at 5% output though). But at least I’ve looked at other players!

I don’t think his priority should be to sort me first, that was a surprising post from him.

P.EDIT will look at conversation now

What should his priority have been, you think?
ftr I maybe agree but want to see you go into it more
92 from Korina reminds me of town!him

Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.

-Kor

Though I feel like it's probably too early to say this

pedit: lol I was in the games Keyser and tw played together, so I was feeling left outttt

[LabRat01]

I am here, game started when I was asleep.

@Mod, could we have what phase it is put in the thread title?

(Ik that we should know, however, just so its always known and someone can't use the argument of "well I didn't know it was (phase), otherwise I wouldn't have hammered them!")

slight townlean for this (more because it's Korina than if it was anyone else)

elaborate on this please

[Irrelephant11]

Korina is kinda LAMIST-y as town, at least based on the one game we played together

[Irrelephant11]

labrat come vote the worst with me

[LabRat01]

how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.

Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.

I really don't know what is being said here
Yep, I've read it three times and still don't know

The post could be read either as
“duck being unsure of his reads and asking Left to post his reads, so that he can sheep them”
(which makes no sense)
OR it could be read as
“duck asking Left for reads and then conveniently explaining WHY he’s asking him for reads, by showcasing his townie motivations”.

You don’t usually need to show off how townie you are when asking someone for reads
And I think it’s scummy

[LabRat01]

clicked submit instead of preview...
ugh

[LabRat01]

btw, I get the feeling that the players who haven't posted yet should be PMed to inform them that the game has started...
They might be just unaware of that cuz there was no day-start PM

dunno of it's possible to do that at this point of the game though :/

[Irrelephant11]

Oh, yes, I understand now
Sounds like you agree w/ me he is scum
vote him with me?

[LabRat01]

labrat come vote the worst with me

sure
VOTE: the worstVOTE:

[LabRat01]

ugh
VOTE: the worst

[Irrelephant11]

Korina, join us
Keyser, stop us if he's town

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: the worst