Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

VOTE: Jekyll & Hyde

?

-Kor

[LabRat01]

Spoiler:

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you

honestly, that joke feels a bit off

but I guess he just started playing and is in the RvS stake, so w/e


more importantly, @Keyser you got cheated on... :thumbs_up:

HOLD ON, WAIT A FUCKING MOMENT:
Why the fuck is Irrel allowed to make a joke about them being scum, and have it be dismissed as RVS, yet Carmen can do the same exact thing,

during

RVS, and yet gets called out for being scummy on it?
Something really isn't adding up on here.
I think Lab is flipping scum.

I'll read up on TW case/post replies in a bit.

omg, because it's NOT RVS ANYMORE
The read on Carmen was supposed to both:
-allow me to push my read
and more importantly
-create some content to get us OUT of RvS.

I've reached the goal and I'm satisfied with it, I'm obviously not gonna make a big deal out of a RvS post when I've got stronger stuff to base my reads on

See bolded:

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you

honestly, that joke feels a bit off

but I guess he just started playing and is in the RvS stake, so w/e

more importantly, @Keyser you got cheated on... :thumbs_up:

Additionally, Carmen's post was made on post #15, which is very clearly still within the bounds of RVS.
If anything, you should be saying

Irrel's

post was scummy, not

Carmen's

.

YES, it was RvS. BOTH posts were RvS, but there's way more info rn than it was at the beginning and that's what makes the difference.

I feel you're still putting a bit too much weight to my Carmen read. It was overblown a bit, but it was for the purpose of getting the early push. As long as carmen provides more content than that, I won't care about the read for long.

Irre did post more and I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long so I don't really feel the need to push him for sth that I don't even feel would give me much. Both situations are fundamentally different

please say what's unclear to you

[Keyser Söze]

(I have good feels so far: not in terms of current tangible reads, but I think nearly everyone who’s been posting will be easier to sort down the line. Well except for Carmen’s single post).

What feels do you have so far, if you don't mind me asking?

-Kor (to both again)

Can I answer this later please, I haven't got any strong feelings yet.
I'm happy with my posted mild suspicions on (lefty, TW) and good tonal feels (rat).
I feel like I need to sort you D1 - but am appreciating your pro-activeness for now.
Irrelephant11 I don't fully trust yet, but that is not to say I scum read him if that makes sense.

[Irrelephant11]

I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long

do I know you?

[LabRat01]

I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long

do I know you?

yep, you know my main

[Keyser Söze]

You're a she! Sorry x

[Irrelephant11]

oh fun, I didn't know I was interacting with an alt
I probably will never guess who you are because I always guess alts wrong, so enjoy knowing me while I don't know you!

[Irrelephant11]

Makes this...

Spoiler:

Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?

Don’t cross the line though or a tragedy may occur

Spoiler: nudity and severe congenital defects

That’s better

Spoiler: NSFW

ԅ( ˘ω˘ԅ)
so many animal avatars in the game...

[Irrelephant11]

oh whoops I forgot double spoilers don't work

[Keyser Söze]

She's quite a kinky rat!

[Keyser Söze]

@Irrelephant11 - I know it's early, but what do you make of RAT vs DR J - not scum partners?

[LabRat01]

and yeah, elaborate on the vote, please
Besides the weird logic, I don't think their posts have been bad so far
def don't want them in heaven though

P.Edit:
got ninjaed 4 times xd

P.P.Edit:
5

P.P.P.
fuck

[Irrelephant11]

It was mostly for a reaction, they'd been overreacting to other things and I wanted to see what would happen if I voted them
Not much, so meh, probably still town. I can maybe buy the reason for "intentionally overreacting", even though I disagree that the things pointed out were AI for lab

rat/drj... possible scum partners but only if they planned for early theater from the get go
makes me wish I knew who labrat was to know if that fits her personality but for now it seems less likely

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: the worst
I want him to come back to a wagon waiting

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Spoiler:

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you

honestly, that joke feels a bit off

but I guess he just started playing and is in the RvS stake, so w/e


more importantly, @Keyser you got cheated on... :thumbs_up:

HOLD ON, WAIT A FUCKING MOMENT:
Why the fuck is Irrel allowed to make a joke about them being scum, and have it be dismissed as RVS, yet Carmen can do the same exact thing,

during

RVS, and yet gets called out for being scummy on it?
Something really isn't adding up on here.
I think Lab is flipping scum.

I'll read up on TW case/post replies in a bit.

omg, because it's NOT RVS ANYMORE
The read on Carmen was supposed to both:
-allow me to push my read
and more importantly
-create some content to get us OUT of RvS.

I've reached the goal and I'm satisfied with it, I'm obviously not gonna make a big deal out of a RvS post when I've got stronger stuff to base my reads on

See bolded:

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you

honestly, that joke feels a bit off

but I guess he just started playing and is in the RvS stake, so w/e

more importantly, @Keyser you got cheated on... :thumbs_up:

Additionally, Carmen's post was made on post #15, which is very clearly still within the bounds of RVS.
If anything, you should be saying

Irrel's

post was scummy, not

Carmen's

.

YES, it was RvS. BOTH posts were RvS, but there's way more info rn than it was at the beginning and that's what makes the difference.

I feel you're still putting a bit too much weight to my Carmen read. It was overblown a bit, but it was for the purpose of getting the early push. As long as carmen provides more content than that, I won't care about the read for long.

Irre did post more and I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long so I don't really feel the need to push him for sth that I don't even feel would give me much. Both situations are fundamentally different

please say what's unclear to you

I'm just saying that it is highly hypocritical of you to allow Carmen to make a joke scum-claim and call it out, only to then allow Irrel to do the exact same thing and just dismiss it as RVS. You either don't call out either, or you call out both. You can't have your cake and eat it here.
And, no, both situations are

not

fundamentally different, both were made in RVS... please explain how rvs and rvs, but later in the game are fundamentally different. I'm just not seeing it.

(I have good feels so far: not in terms of current tangible reads, but I think nearly everyone who’s been posting will be easier to sort down the line. Well except for Carmen’s single post).

What feels do you have so far, if you don't mind me asking?

-Kor (to both again)

Can I answer this later please, I haven't got any strong feelings yet.
I'm happy with my posted mild suspicions on (lefty, TW) and good tonal feels (rat).
I feel like I need to sort you D1 - but am appreciating your pro-activeness for now.
Irrelephant11 I don't fully trust yet, but that is not to say I scum read him if that makes sense.

Yea, sure. That's fine. Just wanted to see if you had anything you were willing to share.

-Kor

Pedit: You would confuse me if you voted me. I wouldn't overreact to it. I can explain why I'm trying to push lab so hard later, but not rn.

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

however, I don't really see it as the basis for a semi-serious(?) vote

Those were my page one feels mayn. They're obviously not gonna be killer cases with resounding substance and power.

(Please note: I purposefully didn't want my first vote to be random, regardless of how much I believed that player was actually scum)

Why didn't you want your first vote to be random?
What's the problem with that?

That was a bullshit read based on my imagination of how a mafia’s reaction to getting a town alignment would look like. Carmen’s post was a joke, but it was written in a safe way, that could come from mafia who wanted to joke about it, but was too stressed to open-wolf right at the beginning of the game.
(by lying and saying that “there was nothing in their RC”, they could give themselves a bit more leeway than if they wrote “lol, it’s really there”)
I could explain it better, but I think manatee wouldn’t really like it
But yes, it is connected to how I see my role card and what I know about the host
This was never meant to be a joke, but after writing the post I realized that it could be misunderstood in a really wrong way. There isn’t anything more to it

What makes you think that scum would post that in thread though? Why wouldn't they PM Manatee or post it in their PT? What do they have to gain by posting that in the thread? FMPOV, scum wouldn't want to only because then they run the risk of accidentally outing themselves, and that would put town one step closer to winning, (only requiring one more mafia to be sent to hell to win).

Lol, you’re reading it in a really weird way. You’re assuming that mafia doesn’t make awkward jokes because they’re afraid of outing themselves. That’s obviously not the case

Sure, they could have said nothing, but you cannot assume that “being cautious” will stop scum from posting jokes. It’s not that “they will gain anything”, it’s that “they thought it’s fun and they thought that they couldn’t lose anything by just joking around (while taking the necessary safety measures)”. Which I refuted by SRing them

See, but why would mafia want to make awkward jokes in the first place? Correct me if I'm wrong, but, you are now saying that you are certain Carmen is scum, is that correct?

I would've done the same thing as Carman in that situation; I'd have jokingly said "No, its not there, it says Mafia however". If you don't believe me on that, the newbie game with LCPL and myself, I jokingly claimed SK at the very start of the game.

And yeeeah, I believe you would say that. I would have been totally SRing you in the newb game you and LCpl were in. The tone in your posts was really weird and your arguments tended to miss the point so damn much (at least in the first few pages)…
Btw, I was supposed to ask you for that in the beginning of the game, but I forgot. Could you link me to a finished scum game of yours? A good one if possible

Literally go look at my wiki page, and you can find one, like this one. You can also see me describe my own meta, here, here and here. Read these please, they'll help you sort me better.

I don't really see RVS jokes as AI, but rather as NAI. It's RVS memes. Sure, Carman saying that is plausible suspicion, however, you aren't really taking into account the RVS aspect of it. Additionally, if that post isn't a joke, then IMO, that makes it incredibly scummy, because I'm seeing it as you're pretty sure that Carmen is actually scum, and that was a slip. What benefit does Carmen (or the scum team) get if they are actually scum, and they do obv!scum early D1? Wouldn't it be better for Carmen to

not

do that then?

And oh god, have I not said enough that it was not a fully developed read?
Were you expecting me to go all wishy-washy and explain myself in every post that I’m not actually that confident in it? Seriously, even if I wanted to do that, that’s just not how you push people
Jeez, just c’mon, that would be just bad

Ok, but why would you try pushing it then when literally its very clearly a joke?

do it

WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,

as partners

, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.

uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre game
I prob wouldn't have had enough time to read 10 pages of another game after getting the RC even if I tried it

Why not?

What why not?

Why wouldn't you have time after the game started?

I’m a slow reader, reading 10 pages (especially in a game with a lot of walls) would take me a few hours. Besides, I was rather active on the thread early on, so I would have to be distracting myself all the time, which would make reading that even longer -_-
Idk how much time was from day-start to the point when I said that I’ve read the game, but it shouldn’t be more than 0,5-1 hour
That’s just not a thing I’d be able to do

Unrelated but, like, how are you the top poster, (by about 30 posts) if you are a slow reader? That just doesn't make sense to me.
Also, how long would it take you to read this?

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VOTE: the worst

Why TW?

Korina is kinda LAMIST-y as town, at least based on the one game we played together

I'm not sure if I should be happy or offended.

Korina, join us
Keyser, stop us if he's town

How would Keyser know that unless he's scum?

hmm I could see a left/tw s/s here

pedit: I mean I've only had two scumgames and in one of them we were all lovers (no bussing allowed, really)
but yes, so far that's my scum meta

I'm reading the self-meta as townie, ngl.

That's weird, I've just been handed a note:

"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"

- C R E A T U R E

Lol

/inb4 the hydra decides keyser/lab/me is the team

I mean, do you have a reason why I shouldn't suspect that as the team?
(Even though I think {TW, Lab, Creature} is more reasonable)

It was mostly for a reaction, they'd been overreacting to other things and I wanted to see what would happen if I voted them
Not much, so meh, probably still town. I can maybe buy the reason for "intentionally overreacting", even though I disagree that the things pointed out were AI for lab

rat/drj... possible scum partners but only if they planned for early theater from the get go
makes me wish I knew who labrat was to know if that fits her personality but for now it seems less likely

What things did I point out and say were AI?
Also, Irrel, do I seem like the type of person that would do this as scum, especially when we just finished a game where I described my meta several times?

VOTE: the worst
I want him to come back to a wagon waiting

Why?

-Kor

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I'm starting to get burnt out after spending most of the day by the thread (for today at least).
I'll probably be back tomorrow, if not, when I have to start day 2 of EIACR II.

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

-Kor ^

[LabRat01]

YES, it was RvS. BOTH posts were RvS, but there's way more info rn than it was at the beginning and that's what makes the difference.

I feel you're still putting a bit too much weight to my Carmen read. It was overblown a bit, but it was for the purpose of getting the early push. As long as carmen provides more content than that, I won't care about the read for long.

Irre did post more and I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long so I don't really feel the need to push him for sth that I don't even feel would give me much. Both situations are fundamentally different

please say what's unclear to you

I'm just saying that it is highly hypocritical of you to allow Carmen to make a joke scum-claim and call it out, only to then allow Irrel to do the exact same thing and just dismiss it as RVS. You either don't call out either, or you call out both. You can't have your cake and eat it here.
And, no, both situations are

not

fundamentally different, both were made in RVS... please explain how rvs and rvs, but later in the game are fundamentally different. I'm just not seeing it.

First off, I don’t think I’d be able to gain much by pushing Irre for his post. I’ve never seen him as scum, but he seems composed enough to be able to shove off SRs like those many times over.

I didn’t expect to gain a good response from Carmen either. I’ve never played with them, but c’mon, you’d have to be a total newb not to be able to deal with stuff like that during RvS.

Getting a reaction WAS a part of why I posted the read (I mean, you never know?), but I mostly wanted to have sth I could make a big deal of and yell at the other players to either sheep me, get better reads, or get their asses brutally murdered and stabbed with a ladle to create art.

The description is overblown again, but you should get the point

The situation was different and my motivation was different too. I don’t feel a need to make a big deal out of sth I don’t even care that much about if it’s unlikely to do any good and the player is likely to provide better content later anyways.

[Creature]

was I replaced from this game?

[Irrelephant11]

How would Keyser know that unless he's scum?

He wouldn't (obviously) but he has good instincts as town
It was mostly just to get him involved in the conversation, though, I didn't really expect him to have more info than me

I mean, do you have a reason why I shouldn't suspect that as the team?(Even though I think {TW, Lab, Creature} is more reasonable)

I mean, I would say "we're the wagon on tw, it would be too bold as scum for us to do this", but it would sound a lot better coming from someone else, u kno
Also do you really think it's the three of them?? I don't understand how you're this confident (especially on creature, who hasn't posted once?)

What things did I point out and say were AI?
Also, Irrel, do I seem like the type of person that would do this as scum, especially when we just finished a game where I described my meta several times?

Your push on labrat is too much imo and I can't decide if it's more likely to come from scum!you or town!you
Like I don't have this super strong townread on labrat but I feel like you're really sure he's scum because... he contradicted himself?
tbf I guess it's towny of you to push him hard to get more that *is* AI from him, so I should probably just let you two do your thing and see how it goes

[Irrelephant11]

was I replaced from this game?

welcome creature!

[Creature]

Man, me sleeping three hours during afternoon isn't normal.

[LabRat01]

See, but why would mafia want to make awkward jokes in the first place?

Because they suck
Don’t know, don’t care, but if mafia were that perfect and undetectable as you’re describing it, how would town ever manage to find them

[LabRat01]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, you are now saying that you are certain Carmen is scum, is that correct?

that vote was half-serious

That was a bullshit read based on my imagination

And oh god, have I not said enough that it was not a fully developed read?
Were you expecting me to go all wishy-washy and explain myself in every post

that I’m not actually that confident in?

Seriously, even if I wanted to do that, that’s just not how you push people
Jeez, c’mon, that would be just bad

The read on Carmen was supposed to both:
-allow me to push my read
and more importantly
-create some content to get us OUT of RvS.

I've reached the goal and I'm satisfied with it, I'm obviously not gonna make a big deal out of a RvS post when I've got stronger stuff to base my reads on

It was overblown a bit, but it was for the purpose of getting the early push. As long as carmen provides more content than that, I won't care about the read for long.