Witches' Halloween Ball [Game Over]

[DVa]

aww, you two seem cute, you should dance after the dance

[Firebringer]

we should but he is holding out on me. which is frankly rude.

[Firebringer]

RC if u go to colorado meet, we are dancing btw.

[Gamma Emerald]

[Dunnstral]

Hmm let's read our last game together

Did you ever do this, by the way? I provided helpful quotes, why did you suddenly stop posting?

Shrodinger's Dunnstral -- scum if you're looking at him, not scum if you're not?

Dunnstral does your alignment in mafia prove string theory is real?

In might, in regards to Rc's read on me, let's take a look at that in a bit

and as RC friend i will call him out on behavior i disagree with heavily. if he has a problem with my call outs we can discuss it.

Sure, I'll call him out as well, for coming in here and acting like he's in any position to try to sort me instead of just defaulting to Maria's read on me, and for essentially voting out people he doesn't like/agree with instead of who he actually thinks mafia is

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey dunnstral I have had exactly one scumread this game and they flipped scum

So if you're actually town and not just scum posturing to discredit me, shut the fuck up.

[Dunnstral]

I think dunnstral is scum

[RadiantCowbells]

So I do and my reads this far this game have been pretty good!

[DVa]

RC how did you get to be such good friends with Firebringer?

[Dunnstral]

I mean, we both know you were just going to lynch lld regardless of your read on her, if I actually thought she was town I would have just paired with her anyway

[RadiantCowbells]

If I thought that lynching her forwarded a town win condition despite her herself being town I'd have lynched her anyway, I'd just have phrased it differently.

[Dunnstral]

@Nancy, since you wanted explanations, here's where I am rn:

Townie
Kokichi Oma -- I've read Kokichi's town games, and this looks like his town game

Dunnstral -- I didn't correctly sort him in BoR and don't have confidence in my read. RC insists he's town; I thought opening with a reads list was unusual. At this point there's other people that are scummier. (Very much wish I'd pushed back on RC flipping his read on Dunn and danced here instead at this point)

Brian Skies -- Most of my read here was based on

Is it too early to volunteer as tribute?

which struck me as a ballsy gambit if scum

he could be townier tho

ChibiBear -- Fine with this being newgreen until I see a Gamma flip, at which point I go back to:

Gamma - Feels like he's posted a fair but but hasn't said much, definitely keeping an eye on him.

which did not, at the time, strike me as a genuine reaction to Gamma's slot based on what had been posted until that point

Malakittens -- There's been so little new content here for a while that I'm worried game will stall with her alive forever, and she's with Cakez who seems scummy. 'acceptable losses for a cakez flip'? that's kinda cold but kinda how I see it

Princess Celestia --

MariaR getting involved here is not good and she is attacking our confirmed town RadiantCowbells

While I don't townread Maria, I thought this particular attack on Maria was kinda weird at the time--I can see the POV a bit more now

Firebringer -- I don't know how to sort this slot even after having glanced through two of his other games. A little concerned since my last "poe null-->town" ended up flipping scum tho

MariaR --

So I believe fire when he says he forgot how many scum were in this game.

Maria hates me for coming back to this again but this post pinged me really hard. We've talked about this post so I wouldn't bring it up except it's still on my mind

I don't think your reads will have more influence in your death as you think they will. Will some people respect them and maybe use them for reasoning to some extent? Sure scum will if scum is in that pairing and town might too.

Frankly I just don't know *what* Maria was trying to accomplish with this post and so it bothers me

SirCakez --

LLD's sort of taking command looked town to me. I don't think she takes that tone as scum from my (admitedly vague) meta recollections.

didn't like this then, don't like it now

also never liked his suspicions of Karmeleon

Gamma Emerald --
didn't like him going after Karmeleon here

This doesn’t feel right to me. He seems to be trying to subvert the argument.

shortaru --

RadiantCowbells - duh
Gamma Emerald - I think town?
Dunnstral - scummy
Karmeleon - scummy

MariaR - towny, would dance
DVa - scummy, doesn't feel like genuine posting
Moment - towny, would dance
Sakura Hana - towny would dance (but alas, she has her sights elsewhere)
Firebringer - I can't get a read on this... everything in me screams scum, but wtf would scum be so blatant for?
Lady Lambdadelta - scummy

Putting aside the read on me which I didn't like, what really bothered me was why Gamma would be a leantown based on his posts, why karmy would be scummy, and *how he decided* LLD was scummy. In retrospect this read list almost looks too accurate based on the evidence that was available at the time.

He also was trying to play up being new green in points such as this:

Still learning the ropes in forum Mafia. Been churning through the wiki to get a handle on strategy, action resolution, and power roles (oh dear God the power roles!)

scummy

with all that, Gamma/Fire and Cakez/Mala both seem like, as pairings, the best places to look for a flip today to me

at this point it's quite obvious shortaru was a manipulative little fucker. I don't know that makes him 100% lockscum but he roleplayed the newbie card way too hard and had some wild fucking reads, so unfortunately Nancy, I think there's a solid chance you replaced into a scum slot at this point

Here are my reads:

I believe the way MariaR was acting when pairing up was towny, and she got mad in me in the pt because she thought I was tricking her in a way that seemed genuine, Right now I think it's really likely she is town

Firebringer is leaning town - he could be scum, sure, but I'm not optimistic about lynching him and finding scum
Gamma I can't really read, again not optimistic on finding scum here, with that being said I don't see a reality where this pair makes it to end of the game without being lynched anyway - sorry guys

Shortaru/Nancy - I'm thinking probably scum, a lot of the stuff he's said is really dodgy looking back at it with the perspective that he wasn't a new player, I remember at one point I asked him to expand on something and he ignored it twice - this is my scumread right now - I'm pretty sure this slot won't survive until the end of the game (DVa will probably leave before that point)
DVa - I still think she's been obvious town, and it seems most people agree with that (unless I'm mistaken..?)

Sircakez - I don't have a good track record of reading this guy, poe makes me want to scumread him but reading his iso makes me want to townread him
Malakittens - I think she's town

Brian - More town than not - still, I'm not completely convinced that this isn't scum
Chibi - I'm pretty convinced this is town, though

Kokichi - Leaning town, wouldn't exactly be surprised if he was scum though, he doesn't really give us a lot to read him off of
Princess - Could definitely be scum, hasn't done much but what she has done has had me raising my eyebrows

[RadiantCowbells]

I think you discrediting my push on LLD was scum you parroting something that LLD said in scum PT.

[Dunnstral]

Hey dunnstral I have had exactly one scumread this game and they flipped scum

So if you're actually town and not just scum posturing to discredit me, shut the fuck up.

So I do and my reads this far this game have been pretty good!

Did you know that, historically, you have a very bad track record of reading me correctly? Does this factor in? Don't you think you should leave reading me to someone else, like Maria who you seem to tr?

[Dunnstral]

Hey dunnstral I have had exactly one scumread this game and they flipped scum

So if you're actually town and not just scum posturing to discredit me, shut the fuck up.

So I do and my reads this far this game have been pretty good!

Did you know that, historically, you have a very bad track record of reading me correctly? Does this factor in? Don't you think you should leave reading me to someone else, like Maria who you seem to tr?

[Firebringer]

well now i am sure dunn is town.
cool beans

[RadiantCowbells]

That's actually a joke

I hard townread you in 827 despite you being absolutely worthless
You claim that I townread you in the xyzzy game but I was scumreading you and literally only said you weren't scum with Majiffy who I wasn't even scumreading when I left.
Hard townread you in fallout to the point of getting pissed you got mislynched.

So no your fantasy universe is a joke and can be kept out of this game.

I am sure on my strategy to win. Every single town game I've played this year with only 1 exception where my reads weren't super good I've been dead on and when I've lost I've lost because I've gotten fucked by dumbasses ignoring my reads and doing their own thing after I was clearly nightkilled for a reason. So no you're not going to guilt trip me into feeling bad for lynching a slot that is encouraging people to ignore my reads and I think both your heads have non-zero scum equity with LLD, yours especially.

[Firebringer]

i am unsure of maria but i am kind of against that pairs lynch.

sell me some scumreads rc.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scums literal only path to victory is to convince people to ignore me and the three of you are doing your utmost to make that a reality so I'm fine checking out and calling you all scum and not feeling guilty if you're not, yeah?

[Firebringer]

Scums literal only path to victory is to convince people to ignore me and the three of you are doing your utmost to make that a reality so I'm fine checking out and calling you all scum and not feeling guilty if you're not, yeah?

[RadiantCowbells]

Trying to lose this game is a dick move as well.

[Dunnstral]

Oh yeah Jiffy is still scum upon reread, nevermind. So that puts Dunn in the townbin.

MariaR/Dunnstral/Chickadee is a hammer and I don't think any of them are scum anymore but I'll at least put chickadee in the scumpool a bit later

I mean, you called me town. It doesn't matter if you were thinking "but if majiffy is town, my reads change" because that's not what you wrote

I'm trying to win this game as well, and I don't think lynching us is the way

[Firebringer]

i think the keyword is try and we have different views of what that means and how effort correlates to enjoyable game. but we have talked that subject to death out of game.

but if ur going to keep pushing what is quintessentially policy lynches, I am going to push against them especially for things which I don't agree with. like anyone who disagrees with you is pushing scum agenda and needs to die otherwise we lose.

[Dunnstral]

That's actually a joke

I hard townread you in 827 despite you being absolutely worthless
You claim that I townread you in the xyzzy game but I was scumreading you and literally only said you weren't scum with Majiffy who I wasn't even scumreading when I left.
Hard townread you in fallout to the point of getting pissed you got mislynched.

So no your fantasy universe is a joke and can be kept out of this game.

I am sure on my strategy to win. Every single town game I've played this year with only 1 exception where my reads weren't super good I've been dead on and when I've lost I've lost because I've gotten fucked by dumbasses ignoring my reads and doing their own thing after I was clearly nightkilled for a reason. So no you're not going to guilt trip me into feeling bad for lynching a slot that is encouraging people to ignore my reads and I think both your heads have non-zero scum equity with LLD, yours especially.

I mean, it's not a fantasy universe though, you're just sort of delusional and only see your own play in the most positive light

[RadiantCowbells]

You try to win this game by not sabotaging the overall plan that makes sense and both you and Maria have advocated sabotaging the plan so from where I'm standing you're not trying to win the game, you're at best trying to assert your individuality over trying to win and at worst are just scum.