In post 389, LabRat01 wrote:Korina is bad, but he's always bad... besides this one game I've read, I've also half-read another game in which he was town and he was just as misguided and weird as he is in here
I would have been SRing him in both btw...
He also wrote some stuff about how he hates players meta-reading him
and in the latest game he wrote sth about "trying to be active and act active and "obv-town" in their last scum game on discord",
so if anything, I find it weird how happy he was to provide me with examples of him describing his scum meta instead of actual games
It felt as if he suddenly changed his opinion about meta-reads and wanted me to read him based on it
I'm here for a moment, however, re:bolded:
Nice misrep. Literally I've played a total of three scum games, the first one, I actually linked, (firefighter blitz). The second one, I replaced out of, so you really can't get a meta-read on, (noir). The third one hardly classifies as a game in the first place because it was so short, (vengeful).
If you actually looked at the links, you'd have seen that the first one was me linking to a scum game, the rest were times I described my scum meta.
Also, re:Soze
I'm currently still trying to read back and form reads apart from initial reactions.
I think we both currently agree that Lab is scum though.
-Kor
I haven't looked at the links yet. I'm planning to, but just didn't feel like doing it today
this is the post where you linked your scum games. While you did say about your wiki and linked me to one game, you must have taken more time to look up the quotes where you describe your meta. (didn't look at it either and tbh I'm not planning to, because it's kind of worthless if you're actively trying to change it)
I do think that you doing that is a bit off compared to what I've seen you do in the previous games, but I don't find it very important.
In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?
No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?
I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
can you rephrase this post because it sounds like you're trying to allocate motive to my posting without wanting to appear too forceful which is filthyyyy
if you're asking a question please rephrase it as an open question i can actually give a qualitative answer to if you're town FYI, I don't take well to leading questions because they're manipulative and kill conversation in favour of agenda-forcing.
Underhanded, yeeeah
But effective
That was not exactly a question. The way you combined the request for reads with the explanation of why you’re doing it felt off and lamist.
And kinda buddyish/pocketish now that I look at it
Can you comment on that?
I literally have no idea what you're asking me for here LOL
if it's in relation to a specific post can you quote that post?
sorry to be difficult but your line of questioning is really jarring with the way I think for some reason
I didn't really read so much into his role pm thing, but this posts tone strikes me as odd
In post 17, LabRat01 wrote:ugh, I was talking about the town RC if it wasn't obvious
I was re-reading the thread and noticed that my post could be understood as a disgusting joke
that vote was half-serious, it was not pure RvS, so read it as so
and c'mon, someone write sth
it's boring being here alone
Its the sort of thing scum posts after they realize they hit submit instead of preview :lol:
Furthermore It sounds an awful lot like scum trying to push a vote as being nai
Doesn't really advamce us anywhere and is basically just fluff. Maybe NAI, but I find scum often get by by posting stuff like this. To be fair only post 31.
In post 127, LabRat01 wrote:friendly reminder that Majority is 5 and duck has 3 votes on him rn
just don't hammer when not even a day has passed since SoD
This is LAMIST as h and a not so subtle reminder than tw has a wagon on him, indirectly encouraging votes.
Overall I think Labrat is scum and led a wagon on TW
And when he saw it wasn't going anywhere unvoted
In post 347, LabRat01 wrote:UNVOTE:
Meh, Duck’s posts got so much better. I don’t think I agree with them, but I really like their enthusiasm while talking about their TRs
Not overly townie, but I'm ok with it rn
This just feels to me like scum dropping a case not going anywhere VOTE: labrat
sigh, if you're going to push me for stuff other people already pushed me for before, can you comment on what you think of my answers to their puhes?
I don't really feel like going all over it again and I feel like I've answered nearly every argument you made rn somewhere before
do you want me to look for it or can you do it yourself?
In post 344, volxen wrote:Why do you think Creature is scum, and why is he a better lynch than Rat?
He's avoiding producing content at all costs
He's approached this game in the opposite way to how town!Creature approaches games (which is a fallible read, but is a good start)
ergo I vote him and encourage others to do so, so that we can torture him for information!!! >: D
In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?
No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?
I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
can you rephrase this post because it sounds like you're trying to allocate motive to my posting without wanting to appear too forceful which is filthyyyy
if you're asking a question please rephrase it as an open question i can actually give a qualitative answer to :) if you're town FYI, I don't take well to leading questions because they're manipulative and kill conversation in favour of agenda-forcing.
Underhanded, yeeeah
But effective
That was not exactly a question. The way you combined the request for reads with the explanation of why you’re doing it felt off and lamist.
And kinda buddyish/pocketish now that I look at it
Can you comment on that?
I literally have no idea what you're asking me for here LOL
if it's in relation to a specific post can you quote that post?
sorry to be difficult but your line of questioning is really jarring with the way I think for some reason
In post 346, LabRat01 wrote:wait, I get that you didn’t like my explanation that the read is a read, but how was the read itself bad
and bullshit or not, it was still my only read back then and there wasn’t much to go off other than that so I don’t see why should I have changed the vote.
like, intent/reasoning behind reads is 90% of mafia. the actual reads themselves are like..some awkward mesh of luck and skill but I'm trying to SORT YOU not sheep your reads so we swing back to intent/reasoning being the important part : D
which brings me to remembering I couldn't parse any actual explanation on the read from you
I didn't agree with the read, and in a vacuum couldn't think of a way to side with it
that's not expressly wolf indicative obviously but also you didn't explain your thought process so
In post 347, LabRat01 wrote:UNVOTE:
Meh, Duck’s posts got so much better. I don’t think I agree with them, but I really like their enthusiasm while talking about their TRs
Not overly townie, but I'm ok with it rn
And I’m not a fan of volxen’s read on me.
The arguments he uses feel underwhelming compared to how much time was he willing to waste writing it
read prob coming soon
why did you unvote me here if you don't think I'm town but are blindly sheeping others?
I'm clearly wagonable in this gamestate. Look at the VCs for D1.
Why didn't you vote volxen here? Can you show me which parts of it felt underwhelming, and why you think that's scum indicative?
In post 312, Keyser Söze wrote:@volxen putting associations, VCA and scum partner theories aside, are you t/reading the worst independently?
I don't feel comfortable giving TW a townread yet, no. I do think he made a good case against Rat, especially in post 297, and I do find Rat to have the most scum equity at the moment, but I'm not ready to write off TW as town yet either.
Where I am currently at is I find Dr. J to be the most towny player and Rat to be the most scummy player. I'm still kind of unsure on everyone else.
@Keyser, I am starting to get concerned that if Rat is scum, you could be one of her partners. As I pointed out earlier, it was just odd how quick she was to attack two different people for asking, in my opinion, completely legitimate questions about your slot. If she is scum it's possible that she is simply buddying/defending town!Keyser, but the way she wanted to shut down both questions about Keyser's slot could be indicative of SvS interactions. Keyser, if Rat is scum, why is TW more likely to be one of her partners than you?
But in any case, do you really think TW would gambit as scum and try to get his one of his scumbuddies sent to hell on day one? I would consider that quite a risky gambit because if he does that, then the only way he could win as scum is if both he and his remaining scumbuddy get sent to Heaven. So unless he's convinced that both he and his other scumbuddy could get a lot of towncredit for busing Rat, it seems like quite a risky play to open on day one by busing one of his partners in a game mode that, in my opinion, heavily discourages busing.
This post is so so towny
god if I'm misreading volxen here I'm going to feel dumb as shit postgame
In post 408, the worst wrote:
which brings me to remembering I couldn't parse any actual explanation on the read from you
I didn't agree with the read, and in a vacuum couldn't think of a way to side with it
that's not expressly wolf indicative obviously but also you didn't explain your thought process so :?
aww, that's a shame VOTE: carmen
I'm p sure some form of it should be there though, cuz the bracket thingy is written in my RC
wanna check it again? or are you lying in order for someone to notice this "contradiction" and derp you as town?
I'm personally not really sure what to make of this post. I get it if its a joke, however, it feels awkward. It feels like the joke fell flat after he continued it on, and said that his vote was semi-serious, (which, why was it semi-serious?). That doesn't really sit well with me atm. Its reading to me like he's certain that Carmen is actually scum and trying to do that to get cleared as town, which, would imply that Carmen is scum as well.
I read Carmen's post as a joke, (which, admittedly, I'd have done too), and their post is fine. It's actually alright. It doesn't bother me. Lab's post does actually bother me however. I can see him thinking Carmen's post isn't a joke, (when I'm pretty sure it is one—unless Carmen is a god-tier scum-player and can get away with that), however, his reaction to the joke feels wrong.
That was a bullshit read based on my imagination of how a mafia’s reaction to getting a town alignment would look like. Carmen’s post was a joke, but it was written in a safe way, that could come from mafia who wanted to joke about it, but was too stressed to open-wolf right at the beginning of the game.
(by lying and saying that “there was nothing in their RC”, they could give themselves a bit more leeway than if they wrote “lol, it’s really there”)
I could explain it better, but I think manatee wouldn’t really like it
But yes, it is connected to how I see my role card and what I know about the host
This was never meant to be a joke, but after writing the post I realized that it could be misunderstood in a really wrong way. There isn’t anything more to it
Labby what parts of this post do you think actually indicate that volxen is not aligned with the town?
I think you're just tunnelling his playstyle and think he should die for it. if you're town I need you to reassess this asap because you're aggressively driving us off a cliff by clogging the thread up with posts which don't actually advance any gamesolving
In post 354, LabRat01 wrote:Btw, Keyser’s baffled reactions to TW SRing him so hard feel really natural. That’s not anything I’d feel safe basing my read on him, but I think I can rather fairly say that they’re not SvS
you didn't find Keyser's tone shift and reaction to be too much?
I actually felt it was unnaturally dramatic. I'm pretty sure the town!Keyser I know and love would have given me an equally shitposty response to my question about you and him being scumbuddies. But instead he flipped his lid.
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I'm pretty sure there is at least one scum among [TW, Rat, Keyser, and Rel]. I don't think it's that likely that TW, as town, would get up to L-2 so quickly on the second day of day one with no scum involvement.
I don't think TW and Rat are scum together, with them cross voting each other, and with TW's detailed casing of Rat. It seems really unnecessary for them to try to mutually distance themselves and start wagons against each other this early on day one if they are scumbuddies.
I do wish TW would case Keyser to the same degree that he has cased Rat, but he seems to want to hold back on this for some reason.
Out of [TW, Rat], Rat definitely has far more scum equity in my opinion. TW's casing of Rat felt genuine, whereas Rat's interactions with others came off as scummy to me. For example:
aww, that's a shame VOTE: carmen
I'm p sure some form of it should be there though, cuz the bracket thingy is written in my RC
wanna check it again? or are you lying in order for someone to notice this "contradiction" and derp you as town?
In post 17, LabRat01 wrote:ugh, I was talking about the town RC if it wasn't obvious
I was re-reading the thread and noticed that my post could be understood as a disgusting joke
that vote was half-serious, it was not pure RvS, so read it as so
and c'mon, someone write sth
it's boring being here alone
I don't think Rat really had a good reason for "seriously" voting Carmen here, and she did say that the vote was "half-serious".
In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?
No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?
I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
Why did Rat make such a big deal about this? All TW did was ask Lefty what he thought of Keyser's entrance -- I don't see how that's really LAMIST, which is what Rat seems to be implying here. Yes everyone should be sorting players and coming up with their own reads, but there is nothing wrong with asking player X what they think about player Y, as long as you are still sorting everyone else in addition to that. Rat seems to be suggesting that TW want's other people to sort Keyser for him so he doesn't have to do the work of sorting Keyser himself, which I don't think is accurate at all. She is also suggesting here that TW's motivation in asking the question was to appear LAMIST, as opposed to him actually wanting to know what Lefty thought of Keyser's entrance.
In post 55, Lefty wrote:What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?
You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.
Possibly younger
It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to write
anything
that might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.
Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here
Again, here Rat is criticizing someone for asking a question regarding Keyser. I don't think her criticism of Lefty was really warranted here -- he asks a question about Keyser, and she insinuates that his reason for asking the question was to appear like he was doing something, as opposed to it being a question he genuinely wanted answered. In other words, she is again suggesting that the motivation behind the question was to purposefully appear LAMIST, as opposed to it just being a question that Lefty wanted answered. It's just odd that on two different occasions, two different people ask a question about Keyser, and Rat attacks (unreasonably IMO) both TW and Lefty for asking their respective questions about Keyser. I would think town!Rat would understand that this game isn't just about everyone forming their own reads in isolation and then presenting their readslist to the rest of the group, but it's largely a game that involves interacting with everyone else to understand their motivations, which includes asking players questions such as, "what did you think about X from player Y?" The fact that Rat's initial reaction to both questions about Keyser was to immediately label them as attempts to be LAMIST rather than as genuine questions that were asked to gather information to help gamesolve, seems much more likely to come from scum than town.
I didn't really read so much into his role pm thing, but this posts tone strikes me as odd
In post 17, LabRat01 wrote:ugh, I was talking about the town RC if it wasn't obvious
I was re-reading the thread and noticed that my post could be understood as a disgusting joke
that vote was half-serious, it was not pure RvS, so read it as so
and c'mon, someone write sth
it's boring being here alone
Its the sort of thing scum posts after they realize they hit submit instead of preview
Furthermore It sounds an awful lot like scum trying to push a vote as being nai
Doesn't really advamce us anywhere and is basically just fluff. Maybe NAI, but I find scum often get by by posting stuff like this. To be fair only post 31.
In post 127, LabRat01 wrote:friendly reminder that Majority is 5 and duck has 3 votes on him rn
just don't hammer when not even a day has passed since SoD
This is LAMIST as h and a not so subtle reminder than tw has a wagon on him, indirectly encouraging votes.
Overall I think Labrat is scum and led a wagon on TW
And when he saw it wasn't going anywhere unvoted
In post 347, LabRat01 wrote:UNVOTE:
Meh, Duck’s posts got so much better. I don’t think I agree with them, but I really like their enthusiasm while talking about their TRs
Not overly townie, but I'm ok with it rn
This just feels to me like scum dropping a case not going anywhere VOTE: labrat
sigh, if you're going to push me for stuff other people already pushed me for before, can you comment on what you think of my answers to their puhes?
I don't really feel like going all over it again and I feel like I've answered nearly every argument you made rn somewhere before
do you want me to look for it or can you do it yourself?
Yes, if you could, I'm off to bed now, its fairly ate. If not I can do it tomorrow afternoon...?
I don't really have a read on him rn, most of his posts are tonally composed and he doesn't show many emotions besides those few posts where he seemed surprised for you SRing him and the happiness/jokiness from time to time. Like, I don't think I can read that. I'd probably need to read some of his games (or at least the ISOs) to check if he's normally that reactionless as now, but for now meh.
If there's anything I could said to have pinged me, it would be his suggestion to "never lynch him to heaven if I flip scum". Like, that was just bad and I don't get his reasoning for thinking that "the martyrs would have obviously lynched him",
Kind of seemed like a cheap excuse, but again, I don't think I'm able to tell if he really forgot about the judgment day mechanics or not so it's not a read I value strongly
idk, honestly, I've been kind of flaking with reading him, but I'll prob have to change that when I can along with my other bad reads on the nuller half of the playerlist
there is a world where i'm wrong on labby
i don't think i'm wrong on creature and i think keyser is more likely scum than labby if i'm wrong on them being s/s
the language around "if labby flips red..." and the fact keyser appears to be JUMPING INTO their associatives so heavily pings agenda-ey, but feels anti-s/s. at the same time i think keyser knows that this kind of behaviour doesn't look like s/s so i feel like he might even do it as s/s? i need to have a better think abt this but like i'm vibing
hell: Creature unless he towns, Keyser
heaven: volxen, DrJ, maybe me
if you're town FYI, I don't take well to leading questions because they're manipulative and kill conversation in favour of agenda-forcing.
