micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

[probs a robot]

VOTE: Skitter
Be more normal ok thx <3

Skitter's initial posting had roused something in my scumdar module as well. I liked this for an opening vote (more than I liked most of the opening votes here).

HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: Yuriko

Yuriko is rarely a member of the mafia's first choice for their coalition here.
I would have been thoroughly impressed of scum!musicjax identified Yuriko as a choice here.
Unless it was entirely random. But musicjax is probably a human, and humans are incapable of randomness. Therefore I stand by this.

Yuriko's posts don't feel faked.

...indeed, it was not random!
He successfully picked the most pure slot in rvs. He could have easily gone for a more cliché slot or random healed to look busy.

Yo

any thoughts on the setup, musicjax??

I should be in the coalition.

For someone with as little tone as musicjax, I very much like this for tonally towny.

HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

What's the reason for anything.

I believe that this read contains more nuance than musucjax let's on. It irritates me that he has replaced out (and part of my impasse comment reflects here).
TDW's post is the type of content which demands to be townread.
However, I do not actually believe it is alignment indicative.
He strikes me as the type of player from another kind of site who has posted "enough", without contributing a hefty effort to solve the game. This isn't alignment indicative either, it is just the way the game is played elsewhere. In a longer term it may be possible to allocate to part of a scumcase. In isolation it is a playstyle/acitivity tell and nothing more.

I think Musicjax bit the bait here; he healed a post which smelled towny, but when called out on it, was unable to open his heart as to why it felt towny. In context I believe this is town indicative.

Oh freak someone might use this chain of humorous posting to scumread me later.

+ tone points
Also reflects back to the point DVa made earlier. I thoroughly agree that this kind of self-aware, depreciating comedy is town indicative for this player.

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

VOTE: Gamma
Yo guys join me on this pretend wagon.

This is advancing the game, and is done in a way with no regard for appearances.
Very invisibility-flavoured way to do it, to boot.

[probs a robot]

why?
this might be vizzy's scumgame actually
i don't claim to be super great at reading him or anything but as town he tries to contribute and like ... be helpful even while he shitposts and i've not really gotten that vibe from like any of his posts thus far

While we are on the subject.
Why did you bite the lynch bait here, skitter?

[probs a robot]

HUMAN EMOTION LEARNED
>> RIGHTEOUSNESS

[skitter30]

i dont' really think this makes me feel much different about vizzy but it makes me feel a little better about you

(yes, i'm aware that you're the same slot)

why?
this might be vizzy's scumgame actually
i don't claim to be super great at reading him or anything but as town he tries to contribute and like ... be helpful even while he shitposts and i've not really gotten that vibe from like any of his posts thus far

While we are on the subject.
Why did you bite the lynch bait here, skitter?

i agree that he can be lynchbait-y
i said that he felt different to a towngame of his where i read him right, which makes him feel kinda scummy to me
i also acknowledged that it's entirely possible that the difference stems from something not ai (ie he doesn't care about mafia rn)
i don't think i was 'biting the lynch bait here'

[probs a robot]

I apologise if you have discussed it already. My RAM need an upgrade. Which town game?

[probs a robot]

Also, as a reminder: this was a read I had prior to replacing in. I also had northsidegal as town prior to replacing in.

[skitter30]

town - sneks mafia in the mini theme queue - he was shitposting a lot but he also efforted and tried to sort people and read through things and post his thoughts and had actual content

scum - open 737(? i think?) - the worst's pick your poison x|y i was scum with him - he lurked throughout and utlimately got himself lynched for it

scum - gerrymandering - i was scum with him too and tbh i don't remember what he did as much that game but there was a lot of shitposting and very little content and he was kinda blatantly scummy towards the end but because of the unique mechanics he never got lynched even though he should've

like i said i don't remember him in gerrymandering as well and i'm thinking more of the sneks game and the open game
but when he's town i do get the vibe that he's *trying* and efforting
and none of his posts felt like that here

(i feel ike there might be another towngame with him but if there is i'm completely blanking atm)

sneks: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77043
pick your poison: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76766
gerrymandering: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76501

i was scum with him in the latter two
in sneks i was tending town on him on like page2 so like i know i can sometiems read him correctly so the fact that i wasn't was worrying me

[skitter30]

i might have another game with town!him but if i do i'm blanking on it rn

[probs a robot]

Invisibility was surprisingly obvious town in Sneks, I agree.. That's probably not a realistic metric to read him against.

[skitter30]

i mean i think i said like three times now i don't think i have another towngame with him so that's the one i'm comparing against

[probs a robot]

Am I correctly remembering you initially townreading him in this game?

[skitter30]

no, i was not

[probs a robot]

Huh, understood. That RAM inadequacy, right?
I'm not entirely sure where to go from here.

[DVa]

Good bot

I am liking 275 so far but I'd like to see what people other than skitter think

[Raya36]

@robot
Here's my read list from earlier with a few small changes. I need to look back over some of these though so this isn't final. Also would you mind explaining/summarizing your DVa read? If I'm not mistaken I remember you saying that you were going to put explaining that read on hold?

{Northsidegal, Skitter30, Dark Wanderer, Yuriko}
{robot}
{Gamma}
{DVa}
{TesXX}


I can already tell robot is going to be hard for me to read but I'm getting a slight town lean as of now

it's hard to put words to but i strongly read dvas entrance as scum and every post that she has made since then has made me feel more sure of that read. inactivity has nothing to do with it.

I'd be interested to hear more about this read. Also wouldn't mind hearing a bit about your tesXX town read.

I have mixed feelings towards DVa. Nothing has stood out to me as particularly scummy but also nothing has stood out as particularly towny. Which raises some alarms considering the amount of posts she has. There have been some posts that I looked at and thought that she could really be town but then I realized she could really be scum for it too. It would be worst an iso dive sometime soon I think. (Not a fan of 208 or 215. Both times she was called out for something and she responded by voting or hurting.)

(Somebody help! How do you link posts again?? It's been so long )

I would support it, patching in Gamma Emerald instead of TDW and pending further interactions with TesXX in particular.

you would support it?

that raises an interesting question that i'd like to put out to everyone: who would be willing to support a coalition that didn't contain themselves in it?

This is an interesting point. The only ways I can see it is town overlooking the fact that they aren't in it or not thinking about that. Could have been focused more on agreeing with the reads and forgot they should be in it too. The next option would be scum with their partner in the list. All they want at this point in the game would be a coalition with one of them in it. If he is scum and his partner is in the coalition he wouldn't care if he was in it or not. Not like a townie who would want to make sure they were in it to gauruntee 1 of 5 slots to be town.


@Gamma
Could I get some reads from you? I'd be particularly interested in TesXX, DVa and Yuriko but any stronger reads will do.

[Raya36]

i see little purpose in voting people when i intend to win this game off of the coalition without needing to lynch anyone.

Saw this when looking back through the thread. Just wanted to mention that it's just as important to vote this game as it is to form a coalition. If we don't win with the coalition lynching can tell us a lot. Especially if we lynch scum. My main focus right now is to figure out who town is but it's still important to scumhunt.

[Raya36]

Curious about the progression here. I don't believe you said too much about Yuriko but he goes from bottom of the list to top.

{nsg}
{GE, TDW}
{Raya, Musicjax, skitter}
{TesXX, Yuriko, DVa}

I'm just going to start my coalition with the people who i feel like will most likely not be leaving it.
HEAL: Yuriko
HEAL: Raya

[Raya36]

Quick reassessment of my coalition, figured I might as well post it with my thoughts

{skitter30, The Dark Wanderer, northsidegal, YurikoJasmine, Raya36}

Starting with my most confident read (besides myself of course)

Dark Wanderer: I'm happy with him in my coalition for sure. The way he jumped into the game immediately asking questions and appearing to actively scumhunt and give reads makes me relatively confident in him being town. I also like the reassessment of his reads which shows that he isn't simply looking for someone to scumread but instead looking for scum. I also agree with almost all of his reads which makes me lean more town on him as well.

northsidegal: Like Dark Wanderer I agree with most of her reads which automatically gives me a slight town lean. This read is based more on gut than anything but I do like how she appears to be scumhunting and her thoughts come across as natural.

Skitter30: This is more of a gut read as well. He seems to be actively scumhunting and appears to be putting in a genuine effort. This is a slot I need to look more into later though when I have a but more time but for now he will be a weak town read.

YurikoJasmine: I feel less confident about this read. 95 is her first and only post with content. Besides that I only see quick questions but I never see follow ups. I haven't checked to see if there was actually much to follow up on in terms of the responses given but I find it surprising that she is mostly just asking questions but not actually responding to any answers. Removing her for now.
HURT: Yuriko

[Raya36]

Some thoughts on TesXX as well since I'm procrastinating working on my assignments. So why not.

I'm still sus of 48. Scumhunting is important still as I mentioned earlier but I find it a bit odd to jump right in with only scumhunting and seemingly no attempt to find town when the focus should be forming a coalition.
I also don't agree with some of the logic in his 48 either. He called Gamma out on his first post which I really don't think is ai.

Besides that post though after going through his iso nothing particular stood out to me either way.


Some adjustments as well:
HEAL: robot
VOTE: DVa

[The Dark Wanderer]

i strongly resist robot being a part of any coalition.

[Raya36]

Why is that?

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