My initial reaction to TDW was similar. I was like "Wow, this reaction is a town human!" On reflection, I think that Tes' post was very 'Wiki wolfy' and this was an easy stance to take. I will check whether DVa has re-evaluated her initial take on TDW.
In post 90, DVa wrote:
You're still town but you're wrong on Gamma and possibly wrong on tes too
I was initially pinged by her easy townread on Gamma, and lack of re-evaluation. But given her later reasoning I do not believe this is actually indicative of either alignment.
"Possibly wrong on Tes" is hedging on what you humans call low hanging fruit. Very uninteresting.
I suppose that in isolation the heal of Gamma is not so much a meme post. It is consistent with her read trajectory. I still dislike the lack of re-evaluation, but as I will elaborate on don't believe it is alignment indicative.
In post 116, DVa wrote:Ohhhh damn I was wrong on his main
Now that I know he's invisibility tho I think this... might... be a little bit more in his towngame tho?
idk has anyone else played with invis before?
I do like her raising the prospect of Invisibility being town via meta.
However, I don't like her suggesting that he may be town and then asking someone else to evaluate this.
In post 134, DVa wrote:
I've been preoccupied with another game finishing in lylo where I was flipping a read and doing extensive meta dives, so yeah, oops
Unsure if true or busy in scum PT and ignoring main thread. :/ :/
I do not think this is worth dwelling on. Ultimately, I have nearly no read of her suggestion we re-evaluate our reads on Musicjax based on his true identity.
I was disappointed by the lack of forthcoming read, though it is likely playstyle indicative.
In post 177, DVa wrote:I feel like taking a quick gut reaction to Yuriko, rather than something more calculated, felt pretty townie for him. Also, how do I say this... I feel like he wouldn't have accepted the dance so quickly if he was scum. That's hard to explain since it's a joke about mechanics from another game, but basically I feel like he's a lot more cautious as scum, and he doesn't feel cautious to me here, he feels very natural
This is a very mediocre reason to townread Gamma, but is consistent with her experience with Gamma.
In post 179, DVa wrote: In post 165, probs a robot wrote:pedit: For what it is worth, I believe that questions with a finely-veiled agenda are town indicative.
Nonsensical questions which never go anywhere are scum indicative.
If I am reading your lines of enquiry correctly, I believe you are town.
I know you said this but I guess I wanted to make sure I understood why you were townreading her for this:
which is what you're commenting on right?
I have absolutely no idea how she achieved this conclusion. This was clearly never the post I was referring to.
In post 183, DVa wrote: In post 180, probs a robot wrote:What is your experience with Gamma Emerald? Is this informed by experience or merely a reactionary gut feeling?
Gamma is the person I've played the most with. I joined this game when I saw he had joined
I got a good feeling for his play in Dolphins and correctly sorted him in RVS in Boundaries of Reality and I've felt pretty confident in my ability to sort him quickly since.
Again... her instinctive read on Gamma and lack of APPARENT re-evaluation should give me a read. It is not giving me a read, though.
In post 184, DVa wrote: In post 182, northsidegal wrote:i think that objectively it's too early to townread robot right now and i think that if you do townread him then your standards for a townread would be so low as to be townreading almost all of the playerlist or your standards would be so low that you would be pockted by scum in nearly every game you play (which i don't think is the case for you as town, hence my suspicion)
here you also seem to indicate that most of the reason for your heal on the slot comes from robot, but in 141 when you healed him it seems like you were going more off of invisibility / musicjax. which is it?
both.
I was townreading invisibility, and I was townreading robot. Robot came in very aggressively sorting which seems pretty town indicative, and the paranoid self-criticism is something I've seen from Invisibility as town.
That being said, my townreads sometimes are wrong and I do re-evaluate. But I feel like my first impression of robot was quite positive. I was very aggressively pocketed by scum in my most recent completed game, but I also managed to flip my read and win at the end. So I am aware of the risks of townreading people, but I also like to see how people react to my townreads.
Honestly I think your skepticism here is great, and it makes me want to townread you
This is consistent with her read trajectory (or, lack thereof) but once again, not very indicative of her alignment.
In post 185, DVa wrote:
and you feel like nsg is exhibiting the stated behavior? I do think that post is pretty townie but not for the reason you seem to, so that's interesting
This was probably a good opportunity for her to display a more nuanced stance. I should have identified this, and pressed her for it. Arrggghhh.
In post 189, DVa wrote:
I would be pretty surprised to see this post in iso 9 from scum
I mean, maybe. It's not impossible, but it would surprise me
This is a strange reason to townread me. She also does not sound like she confidently townreads me, though I think her second-guessing and resolution of the same is very slightly towny.
In post 190, DVa wrote:rn I don't need to sort everyone
rn, I need to answer one question
if we coalition out of:
DVa
Gamma Emerald
The Dark Wanderer
NorthsideGal
probs not robot
do we win this game before page 20?
because I think we do, even if there are some reads that probably need to be solidified. Right now my reads are based on tone, but frankly, I feel like tonal reads are how this game is won on d1
I do like the sudden tonal shift. She has gone from hedgy uncertain reads to "Would this coalition win the game for us?", which displays an unexpected level of solving.
In post 192, DVa wrote:I wasn't saying I wasn't sorting the coalition, I was saying top priority is a 5-man townblock for me. I feel like townblocking is a lot more fun than scumhunting personally (other reason I joined this game), and also more important in this setup. This whole setup is a townblocking challenge.
TDW's reaction to Tes seemed both succinct and analytical, but also seemed willing to adjust his read as posts developed. I feel like his suspicion of Gamma's reaction and posts felt like a reasonable reaction, even if I disagreed, and I liked him sorting NSG as town quickly. I feel like he's not trying to pocket me and I feel like where our reads are different, I understand why our reads are different.
Based off this follow-through, however, I am not confident that she experienced the same flood of lucidity that I had thought she had.
In post 193, DVa wrote:Personally I feel like I will have a harder time sorting Raya, Tes, Yuriko, and Skitter, even if rn I feel like there's a solid chance both scum are in those four, partly because of how you, nsg, tdw, and gamma have all reacted to me in different ways. I actually feel more strongly in NSG town even though I feel like she's skeptical of me but that's partly why I want her in my coalition, if that makes sense
Maybe I've been playing with RC too much LOL
I do think that it is strange that she townreads the only players she alleges to be capable of reading. However, I suppose in a manner of speaking this is her way of saying she believes both scum are somewhere within {Raya, Tes, Yuriko, Skitter}. I believe that this is a fine stance (though I am strongly of the opinion that you are town).
