Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[Creature]

ok so you want real time interactions but won't use the real-time interactions to solve rather than spamming incorrect self-defence meta which has been countered ane you've ignored but also won't eject yourself from the conversation to take a back seat and some independent solving because you want real time interactions with.... someone else? who's on your mind?

Man, I realtime interact the way I want.

[the worst]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I unfucked up the thing
＼(￣▽￣;)／

[Creature]

Surreptitious II was irritate other players about some unrevealed guilty all the time.

[Creature]

We'll, I'm off to bed
Hoping town does the right thing and votes creature

It will flip scum, I'm 99% sure

Lcp


Also @tw what 521 page monstrosity is that?!

Yes, that's why I asked TW about it as well. I don't intend to read all 521 pages of Heroes Wanted, but I feel like reading a portion of it could hopefully help me to understand TW's meta read of Creature. That's why I would like TW to narrow down what portion of that game would be most beneficial to read.

lol this post

[Keyser Söze]

Found the game where I’d played with Creature (both of us were town). Here were my comments on his contributions that game:

Spoiler:

”lack of understanding of the sincerity of either read”

“gut bad-feels”

“[Concern: is Creature just wagon pushing for the sake of a lynch, or pushing wagons to truly sort players? I want to believe and see that Creature s/reads a player and commits there (not just with votes but with words)]”

“Creature has been a constant 'presence' in the game, will re-read his interactions around the flipped scum, but I feel like he still hasn't been able to obv-town.”

It’s basically a tale of

frustration

, so I would be hesitant to hard s/read his behaviour/posts/attitude. He’s not a classic powertown poster.

[the worst]

Do you feel the marked difference between those quotations and his play here? I'll go read the game but I already smell it >:

[volxen]

Found the game where I’d played with Creature (both of us were town). Here were my comments on his contributions that game:

Spoiler:

”lack of understanding of the sincerity of either read”

“gut bad-feels”

“[Concern: is Creature just wagon pushing for the sake of a lynch, or pushing wagons to truly sort players? I want to believe and see that Creature s/reads a player and commits there (not just with votes but with words)]”

“Creature has been a constant 'presence' in the game, will re-read his interactions around the flipped scum, but I feel like he still hasn't been able to obv-town.”

It’s basically a tale of

frustration

, so I would be hesitant to hard s/read his behaviour/posts/attitude. He’s not a classic powertown poster.

Can you link to this game?

[Keyser Söze]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=71300

(317 posts)

[the worst]

Can you See the difference between that game and this game?

[Creature]

Oh, I'll miss my hyperposting times.

[Creature]

Can you See the difference between that game and this game?

It's an old game, but whatever.

[ManateeDude]

Did you know?

Muskoxen often form giant circles using their horns to protect themselves from various predators..

Votecount 1.07

Creature (2) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst
Keyser Söze (1) - Lefty
LabRat01 (1) - volxen
the worst (1) - Irrelephant
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Carmen
Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01, Keyser Söze

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

[the worst]

Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01, Keyser Söze

11/10 will pmsl if the entire scumteam is counterwagoning "Not Voting"
that guy's reads have been on point

[Keyser Söze]

Why isn’t your vote on LabRat or me (you said it was “probably never” that we were both town).



I personally don’t like TW jumping on the Creature wagon - Creature, a slot who will never shine in the classic sense like a townie (playstyle) like me. Suddenly Creature is the easy “EoD compromise lynch”. I’d prefer TW to present his full Keyser case D1 and expand on his original heavy case on LabRat:

Creature man why can't you just bus like a normal cheeky scumfuck? You're making this too obvious

I don’t like this - it’s keeping pressure on Creature but with nothing constructive to add.

Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly

Another post like this.
Why isn’t TW voting LabRat if he believed this?

just musing bc i've got to the top of this page:

there is a world where i'm wrong on labby
i don't think i'm wrong on creature and i think keyser is more likely scum than labby if i'm wrong on them being s/s

the language around "if labby flips red..." and the fact keyser appears to be JUMPING INTO their associatives so heavily pings agenda-ey, but feels anti-s/s. at the same time i think keyser knows that this kind of behaviour doesn't look like s/s so i feel like he might even do it as s/s? i need to have a better think abt this but like i'm vibing

hell: Creature unless he towns, Keyser
heaven: volxen, DrJ, maybe me

LabRat isn’t even in TW’s hell group now, just a name he keeps bumping and connecting to players.

Conclusion: something seriously stinks between the TW-LabRat dynamic.

Oh, and don’t like TW’s buddying/whiteknighting of Dr J.

[Keyser Söze]

This pace is gonna kill me. I’m used to like 48h deadlines

It appears you haven’t been able to keep up with the “pace”

Can we get replacements in 48 hours before EOD1 (so they have time to catchup)?

[the worst]

Keyser my reads have progressed from

{Keyser}
{Lab, Creature}

to

{Lab}
{Keyser, Creature}

and I have communicated such constantly. Your meta on Creature is a joke. You're not making any effort to actually sort him via meta and you ignored my reach out about whether you were actually seeing similarities/differences between this game and the game you linked.

What part of my trajectory haven't I been clear on? I think I am wrong on scum!Lab before I'm wrong on scum!Creature. I think you have higher scum equity than Lab. Your eagerness to have Lab lynched and..... what, trying to coerce me into voting her? Shading me for not voting her? Is a trainwreck.

If you're town get your act together gorgeous. You don't scumread me here, and the fact you're cherry picking posts out of my iso and ignoring my overwhelmingly transparent trajectory proves that.

[the worst]

Also lol at me buddying or white knighting DrJ
It's called townreading sweaty

Standing on the outside looking in:
If I'm pocketing anyone, objectively speaking, I am pocketing either volxen or Labby. You actually alluded to the fact you saw something uncomfortable in the {Lobby, tw} dynamic, why did you not think I'm pocketing her by whimsically shifting her up my read list in lieu of other players?

[the worst]

@mod lefty and Carmen need prods. Would humbly request deadline freeze between 24-48 hours should the slots remain vacant[

up to u ofc but this setup stinks without wagons/the prospect of a maj lynch

[the worst]

one last lol @ Keyser badly chainsawing me for calling out Creature I haven't been this obvious town or felt like I had the game won on d1 in months!

[Keyser Söze]

Please present your full scum case on me as I simply don’t trust you.

Your “trajectory” on LabRat is the very thing I am finding suspicious, not t/reading for.

[Keyser Söze]

Can you See the difference between that game and this game?

It's an old game, but whatever.

Do you believe you have posted anything outright town indicative this game?

[Keyser Söze]

@Irrelephant I really need your world view right now.

[the worst]

keyser
scumcasing you to you accomplishes two things
1) it tells you what i am looking for to townread you
2) it makes you self-aware so that i lose any tells i have on you currently

spend more time solving and less time fussing over me pls. i am not scum, clearly, and you should try and solve as though i'm cleared

[Keyser Söze]

1) I’d rather you present to the whole playerlist why you think I am scum. Surely you want me lynched? Even Volxen wanted to escalate it into a consolidation.
2) I don’t want you to keep peddling my lynch/wagon through to D3, and beyond, as I am very misslynchable. I rather we deal with it over 1 or 2 pages then continue from there.
3) I personally don’t like you linking me to LabRat, and to Creature.
4) disagree with your point two: If I magically transform you can still s/read me for changing up my playstyle to fit your idea of what town-Keyser is
5) If I believe your scum-case I think I’ll be more inclined to trust you. All I feel is agenda-driven pushes from you so far.

[the worst]

1) I want Creature lynched today, we can lynch his buddy next hell phase
2) why are you mislynchable? This list should be able to read you fairly well if you're town I would think?
3) I'm linking you to Creature more strongly than LabRat. your associatives with Labby can easily be mistaken (just your recent posts feel very agenda-driven around hard-pushing for her lynch ://)
4) that's an holistic statement and is probably not super relevant atm anyway
5) how so? what do you think my agenda is here other than sorting players and nuking teh scumz?