Mini Normal 2041 [Game Over]

[Mewtaph]

Mew's predecessor was scummy, Nako has been weird today around claims, I feel like one of your townreads on one of these two slots is probably wrong.

And me? Not my predecessor that replaced out ages ago? Hello DVa? You make a "case" on me entirely on unconfirmed roles and mechanics and swerve around the idea of actually trying to sort me.

[Mewtaph]

Mew's predecessor was scummy, Nako has been weird today around claims, I feel like one of your townreads on one of these two slots is probably wrong.

And me? Not my predecessor that replaced out ages ago? Hello DVa? You make a "case" on me entirely on unconfirmed roles and mechanics and swerve around the idea of actually trying to sort me.

Suggests that she hasn't been trying to sort my slot at all - scummy because scum is the informed minority.

[DVa]

Your reaction to A50's play this day feels fake af, your reads list is open wolfing, and you seem more like desperate scum than town rn

You wanna keep casing Oka go for it

but if you were town you'd probably be saying something about Nako that made sense

[DVa]

You also would have either confirmed or denied being ascetic by now but you're pretty clearly stalling on that for reasons that cannot possibly be town motivated

[skitter30]

VOTE COUNT 2.3

Mewtaph (3)

- Gamma Emerald, DVa, Almost50

Sephiroth (2)

- OkaPoka, Kokichi Oma

DVa (2)

- Nako, Mewtaph

Not Voting (4)

- PenguinPower, Sephiroth, DrDolittle, Joey_

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-11-24 22:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- lets keep things civil please!
-nako is v/la until saturday

[Mewtaph]

And what have you done? Made fake posts to get town cred?

[Sephiroth]

We're gonna need PP and DrD to start posting. I don't have a strong read on either slot and neither is making an effort to fix that. Its very possible we have lurker scum among those two slots.

[Sephiroth]

Also can one of the people townreading Nako tell me why? Where does that come from?

[Sephiroth]

Also Dva if you're gonna be willing to lynch someone because their scum reads are your town reads you better feel pretty strongly about those townreads and you better have an explanation for them being town. Why are those scum reads actually town?

[Kokichi Oma]

VOTE: mew

[OkaPoka]

You also would have either confirmed or denied being ascetic by now but you're pretty clearly stalling on that for reasons that cannot possibly be town motivated

Like Oka wtf are you getting at? Do you toxicity is scummy or are you just trying to make me see jesus?

Does it matter Iif I think toxicity is scummy ?

So if the DNC or GOP nominated a person tomorrow that was corrupt and bullshit, do you think that the party should call them out?

1 and 3 directed at mew

2 directed at sephiroth

direct responses please

[Sephiroth]

Does it matter Iif I think toxicity is scummy ?

...you know we're playing a game of mafia right now right? This entire conversation is a waste of time and space unless you think toxicity is AI. So lets get it out on the table instead of going round in circles. Do you or do you not think that my 'toxicity' has any bearing on my alignment or anyone elses?

[Sephiroth]

Does the second sentence not answer your question? Not sure what you're getting at. It is almost always relevant to have a sense of what players consider scumtells as it allows you to gauge the authenticity and plausibility of things they do throughout the game.

[OkaPoka]

I think toxicity is AI depending on the player, but my questions is more in the vein of do you care about my opinions? Like am I in the same boat as A50?

[Sephiroth]

So, I don't understand your opinions 99% of the time. But the difference between you and A50 is that you're not purposefully editing my quotes to knowingly and purposefully misrepresent things I say. The only reason I consider that behavior as NAI and not scummy is I saw AP act the same way in our last game together where he flipped town. So I feel like at this point AP/A50 just troll in a general sense and most things they say should either be disregarded or considered lacking any real substance.

I scumread you and disagree with a lot of things you've said, but I certainly don't feel like your opinions are meaningless like I do about A50.

[Gamma Emerald]

And I'm not convinced your read progression on me is natural Gamma.

Understandable, my read on you just soured when I saw a string of posts I didn’t like the motives I sensed for

[OkaPoka]

@sephiroth, odds for scum on dva and gamma and pp?

[Sephiroth]

odds?

[OkaPoka]

chances, likelihood, possibility etc.

[Sephiroth]

I'm waiting for dva to explain her town reads, I don't think gamma is scum, and I have a town lean on PP but worry that its colored too much by one interaction.

[Sephiroth]

I don't have numbers for you I don't really work that way

[Sephiroth]

I'm kind of caught between scumreading and townreading mew. I feel a little bit buddied today but maybe he and I just think similarly.

[DVa]

Also Dva if you're gonna be willing to lynch someone because their scum reads are your town reads you better feel pretty strongly about those townreads and you better have an explanation for them being town. Why are those scum reads actually town?

First, you are ignoring half my case. Mew is scum over you because of of what I observed in 1728. Both Nako and Mew responded in very odd ways to the heated discussion between myself and A50. Nako's passive acceptance of A50's tinfoil and Mew refusing to confirm or deny being ascetic both really bother me. Between the two I would still say Nako is more likely to be town. But I did not like either of their reactions, and I don't like the way Nako softed her role. Right now I find it more plausible that Nako made a weird watcher choice and that Mew is a scum ascetic, but I don't know wtf is going on in Nako's mind right now. Frankly I still don't know why she proposed a massclaim. For Mew, I feel like simply letting A50 spin his tinfoil about a roleblocker seems like exactly the thing a scum ascetic would do in response to a no result from an investigative. Mew's choices here seem malicious, Nako's choices seem baffling. Town Mew would have stepped in and said, no, "I'm ascetic" or "I'm not ascetic", as soon as I even raised that prospect.

Now, A50's mental development in regard to me is... pretty consistent with him. Generally when A50 is scum he tends to just kind of try to keep me at arms length. Town A50 generally at some point will melt down and have a personality conflict with me. At least, on this account (on my main I thought we were at least sociable, but we also didn't interact that much tbh). Our fight today wasn't surprising, just disappointing. But the development of his read on me over today was very, very townie, and his level of tilt at our exchange was pretty consistent with town A50. I would be shocked if A50 is scum this game.

Oka has been a gut townread for me this entire game because of his engagement and activity, which generally strikes me as sincere. While he is a tryhard, and is definitely capable of powerscumming, but I feel like there's a noticeable difference in tone between his scum and his town games.
Here's a very significant case study in scum Oka: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

If you feel like there are significant tonal similarities to Oka in that game to Oka here, I'd be welcome to hearing them, but when I contrast the two, I feel like Oka ends up flipping town here. I'm not 100% certain on this read but I'd lynch Mew over Oka any day of the week rn.

[Sephiroth]

ok thx for that I need to digest it

[the worst]

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